Trump this.

[TX-Beau]

I remain an independent who has always voted Democrat or further left. I will continue to do so unless and until someone to the center is a nominee.

I find it absolutely hilarious that anyone would accuse Biden of not being a centrist.

 

[rareboy]

To not vote for the Biden Administration, and I cannot emphasize ADMINISTRATION enough, is to abandon America to chaos and fascism. Because that is what will emerge.

At the end of the day, The President of the United States is just the executive at the desk signing things.

IT is the Administration that guides and enacts policy.

For Trump, it meant installing some of the worst people imaginable to basically run the branch. And he has used up everyone now but the most venal and self-serving...

Biden on the other has has provided an Adminstration team that is stable, forward thinking, forward moving and getting shit done.

That is really the choice that Americans have.

This fixation on the look of a president on the world stage is a distraction...it is the problem of style over substance. And of course Trump offers neither.

Look to who the cabinet and all the leaders of the key posts are. They have basically not put a foot wrong in the last four years.

 

[Norri]

I’ll take the stumbling bumbling guy over the guy who can’t control his emotions any day. One is a potential danger the other is not.

I hope Biden plans to bait Trump during the debates. It’s easy to do and the rewards are many.

 

[TX-Beau]

Biden is by no means my personal preference, but he is absolutely the only choice in this election. I don't care about his stumbling or gaffes, so the fuck what, I do care that he's too old, too centrist, and too willing to play "bipartisan" with fanatic bigots who will never keep their word, and just lie to your face. I will not vote for a Republican for the foreseeable future for any reason at all.

 

[Alistair]

 

[TX-Beau]

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Well, since Epstein is dead, it must be Gaetz?

 

[Alistair]

 

[Alistair]

 

[smokeshadow]

the latest version

 

[NotHardUp1]

I’ll take the stumbling bumbling guy . . .

Think about that. It's not the stumbling, BTW --- it's the Geezer3.0 combo.

A lot of us voting for sanity have every right to hate the candidate we're force to support.

And to RB, it's not the Administration who gives the State of the Union, who travels to the G8, who addresses the U.N., who greets ambassadors. It's Joe Biden. I support most of his policies, but I don't want him to represent us.

 

[rareboy]

Those things are inconsequential...although Americans seem to think that they are the things that matter. This may come as a shock, but the world doesn't really pay attention to the prez at the Un , the SoU ot the G8.

We do pay attention to the Prez at NATO for sunstance and what the Admin telegraphs through the Secs for policy. But is the Admin who craft the SoU, the G8 address and the UN speech in accordance with a broader administration strategy.

Seriously.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Think about that. It's not the stumbling, BTW --- it's the Geezer3.0 combo.

A lot of us voting for sanity have every right to hate the candidate we're force to support.

And to RB, it's not the Administration who gives the State of the Union, who travels to the G8, who addresses the U.N., who greets ambassadors. It's Joe Biden. I support most of his policies, but I don't want him to represent us.

Who exactly do you want to represent us?

 

[NotHardUp1]

A long list of imperfect men and women would suffice:

Julian Castro

Cory Booker

Bill de Blasio

Amy Klobuchar

Martin Heinrich

Mark Warner

Susanna Martinez

Chris Murphy

Tim Kaine

Asa Hutchinson

Gretchen Whitmer

Michelle Lujan Grisham

Jay Inslee

Jeff Flake

Mitt Romney

Lisa Murkowski


And there are many others I cannot name, or do not know of, but are capable. The nominee often rises from the ranks of obscurity and the campaign and the party raises the stature of the candidate.

We're in a cycle of coward politics. The only candidates the parties are willing to field are the most prominent, and they conspire, as parties, within themselves, to extinquish the lesser known.

The elections have become celebrity contests.

President Obama was an exception, but fueled by the race politics that fomented the time. He was truly underqualified, yet he was important to history, and I did vote for him twice, but was not surprised at his sub-par performance in working Congress as well as the feeble recourse to executive orders.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Those things are inconsequential...although Americans seem to think that they are the things that matter. This may come as a shock, but the world doesn't really pay attention to the prez at the Un , the SoU ot the G8.

We do pay attention to the Prez at NATO for sunstance and what the Admin telegraphs through the Secs for policy. But is the Admin who craft the SoU, the G8 address and the UN speech in accordance with a broader administration strategy.

Seriously.

They certainly pay attention when we send a loser, e.g., Trump. But when a vital speaker respresents us, at least the nation isn't ashamed of the geriatric geezer-fest when they shuffle out to embarrass us. One of the most powerful nations on the planet, and we cannot elect a president who can walk.

Even Bernie Sanders is vital. It's not the age. It's the feebleness.

And, of COURSE the administration is the gearwork of the government, but its figurehead is not "inconsequential". It is an important component of national identity.

 

[KaraBulut]

The elections have become celebrity contests.

The elections have become celebrity narcissism contests.

After watching the Anthony Fauci hearing yesterday, I'm not sure why any civic-minded person would ever do public service anymore. That leaves only the self-interested to run.

 

[KaraBulut]

This is NOT from The Onion.

‘Trust Jesus’ MAGA Bus Crashes Into Pole Ahead of Staten Island Pro-Trump Rally

“Holy crap,” one bystander on the scene remarked, adding that it had been a “freaking miracle” no one was hurt.

www.thedailybeast.com

If it was a sign from God, it was a little on the nose.

A trailer decked out in MAGA merch that reportedly belongs to two Trump superfans was totaled in a traffic accident on Staten Island on Sunday, with the vehicle crashing into a utility pole just hours before a rally for the former president was set to kick off nearby.

A video of the aftermath taken by a bystander shows the damaged bus at rest on the street, “Trust Jesus” and “Let’s Go Brandon” posters littered around its shattered windscreen.

“It was parked by the CVS and it just rolled down,” a witness can be heard saying in the video. “Nobody was in it.”


“Holy crap,” another person replies, adding that it was a “freaking miracle” no one was hurt.

“This right after Trump gets declared guilty,” the person continued. “Unbelievable. If ever you needed a metaphor.”

 

[Araucaria]

^Well, they say God works in mysterious ways...

 

[smokeshadow]

^^and the Devil is in the details. . .

 

[Norri]

Think about that. It's not the stumbling, BTW --- it's the Geezer3.0 combo.

A lot of us voting for sanity have every right to hate the candidate we're force to support.

And to RB, it's not the Administration who gives the State of the Union, who travels to the G8, who addresses the U.N., who greets ambassadors. It's Joe Biden. I support most of his policies, but I don't want him to represent us.

I think his voice hurts him as much as his stumbling, it’s weak while Trumps is still strong although given what comes out of his mouth it hardly matters.

You have every right to hate the candidates you dislike but should have no expectation of seeing one you do like on the final ballot.

I never have.

 

[TX-Beau]

As long as there is no accountability in campaign spending and giving there will never be viable candidates from other places.

Instead of bothering with petty shit like who stutters why don't we focus on something important, like electing people who will change that and, in the process, fucking impeach the quislings on the court who make it possible.