TrumpCo. to build tent cities for kids separated from families

[frankfrank]

Quietly today, the US Government updated the number of immigrant children that it is unable to locate from 1,500 to 6,000:
US officials likely lost track of nearly 6,000 unaccompanied migrant children

I'm starting to wonder how many of these children have been buried in secret mass graves.

That is NOT too depraved for those running the show, because killing them off would save money.

Rachel Maddow broke down in tears as the news about the baby-and-toddler CONCENTRATION CAMPS hit the news at the very end of her show.

 

[nycguydowntown]

we're a mess here---so much anger and sadism and evil coming from trump--he's always been a sadistic scumbag------republicans support this policy---I'm for a strong immigration policy---KNOWING that these trump groupies don't want the jobs they do---hypocrites---and both parties are not honest about how to solve this problem---but orange psycho is just speading nazi terminology and his base loves it.

 

[KaraBulut]

I'm starting to wonder how many of these children have been buried in secret mass graves.

That is NOT too depraved for those running the show, because killing them off would save money.

In fairness, most of these children are just lost in the system. They were placed with relatives or guardians and the government has lost track of their whereabouts.

It's another part of a really broken system. There's not a legal means for migrant workers to come to the US legally. Those who come seeking asylum are being sabotaged at the border checkpoints that are setup for asylum requests. Because they are being turned away when they request asylum, this forces them to cross the border illegally. The children have to be placed somewhere while their parents' deportation case is processed and the US government is just not good at housing or tracking these children once they are in the system.

Rachel Maddow broke down in tears as the news about the baby-and-toddler CONCENTRATION CAMPS hit the news at the very end of her show.

What is shocking about all of this is how it demonstrates the basic lack of decency of Trump; he is truly tone-deaf to the implications of mass incarceration of children. His statements seem to be about candy for his "base" and using the issue as coercion to get Democrats to fund the frivolity of a $10 billion border wall.

The Press hasn't done a good job of covering the issue of what has been going on at the border for the past decade. The real story is that the US is wasting millions of dollars turning the border into a militarized zone that has done very little to stop movement of people or drugs across the border. It's difficult to determine which actions are in the interest of "border security" versus what is being done so that politicians can claim to be "tough on immigration".

The Press also hasn't done a good accounting of what all of this mess is costing the US taxpayers. It takes millions of dollars to do what they are doing and that's money could be spent elsewhere.

 

[ballcaphair]

It would appear that the Republicans will blame the Democrats and neither will stop this child abuse. This country is no longer the sanctuary for the needy, from weeping, children in the desert, weeping parents of lost children and "family valuses." These children and parents will be changed forever by coming here, but not in an American way. This is un-American.

I am emailing every representative I have, from my county commissioners to the state and feds. I'm keepin' it simple:

You do not represent me, or my values. SHAME ON YOU!

 

[Cormac135]

 

[rareboy]

 

[opinterph]

His statements seem to be about candy for his "base" and using the issue as coercion to get Democrats to fund the frivolity of a $10 billion border wall.

It's more like $25 billion. [Link]​

 

[rareboy]

I still don't get why he needs the Dems.

The Republicans control all 3 branches of government .

Get them to pay for the wall out of the tax cuts.

 

[rareboy]

 

[Alistair]

Cormac and RB. Those both actually brought tears to my eyes.

I'm posting both to my Facebook wall. What I've been seeing there from my own family disgusts me.

 

[rareboy]

So the Fuckers have buckled...after saying Democrats would have to change 'their' law, to denying it was happening, to using Bible verses to justify their cruelty, to trying to use the kids as hostages....the regime has been finally forced out into the open.

Trump has had to rescind his own policy and taste some defeat.

Hopefully he is so angry with Stephen Miller for this embarrassment that he fires the little fucker finally.

 

[rareboy]

 

[KaraBulut]

It's more like $25 billion. [Link]​

One of the challenges of this whole debacle is that the government has to sue for eminent domain- the US government doesn't own the border, so the fence/barrier/wall goes through private property and, in the case of Texas, State-owned land. The government has to purchase this land which adds to the cost of whatever it is they think they're going to build.

The cost of the fence/border/wall doesn't matter, after all, since Mexico is paying for it, right?

I still don't get why he needs the Dems.

The Republicans control all 3 branches of government .

He needs someone to blame. The sign on his desk says, "The buck stops with the Democrats". This is the guy that went around in 2016 saying that only he could fix our broken government, yet he now claims that only the Democrats can fix this particular aspect of our broken government.

Today, apparently Trump decided that he didn't need the Democrats to reverse his own policy, so he signed an Executive Order to reverse his own policy.

Unfortunately, his Order isn't being grandfathered, so the 2,000+ children that were picked up since Sessions announced Trump's "zero tolerance" policy will remain in custody.

It was also announced that the DOJ is "borrowing" attorneys from the DoD because the DOJ is so overwhelmed with the prosecution of all these "zero tolerance" arrests. Apparently, our elfin Attorney General Sessions forgot to plan for the cost and work effort to prosecute the immigrants who were arrested under the new policy he announced in May.

Get them to pay for the wall out of the tax cuts.

I've often though that the best way to put this wall idea to bed is to add a line item to the US tax returns that says "Border Wall Fee". Since there are about 240 million returns filed every year, that's about $40-100 per return. Since Congress never budgets for maintenance, the fee would have to be an annual fee to fund the maintenance of the wall.

 

[KaraBulut]

There are stories that are beginning to surface that children in the custody of DHS and HHS have been transported to other states:

Hundreds of Immigrant Kids Separated from Parents Are Sent to New York [WNYC]

As many as 200 immigrant children separated from their parents at the border as part of the controversial zero tolerance immigration policy are now living in the New York area, at group homes or with foster families, according to the New York Civil Liberties Union. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo estimated the total is somewhat lower, 70, but growing.

The 10 nonprofit agencies in New York have multi-million dollar contracts with the federal government to provide care for the children.

Babies torn from immigrant parents land in Michigan: 'They need diapers' [Detroit Free Press]

A humanitarian crisis has landed on the doorsteps of a west Michigan foster care agency, where volunteers are scrambling to meet the needs of dozens of immigrant children who have been separated from their parents.

There were other reports that airlines like American Airlines have been chartered to transport children to out-of-state facilities. In some cases, DHS told the airlines that the children were a soccer team. Following the discovery that these were the incarcerated children from the border camps, several US airlines have put out statements saying they would be no part of transporting these children:

Statement on Recent Reports of Separated Families

American today released the following statement on recent reports of separated families:

“The family separation process that has been widely publicized is not at all aligned with the values of American Airlines — we bring families together, not apart. American, like many U.S. airlines, provides travel to the federal government through contracts; however, the government does not disclose information about the nature of the flights it takes or the passengers who are traveling. While we have carried refugees for non-profits and the government, many of whom are being reunited with family or friends, we have no knowledge that the federal government has used American to transport children who have been separated from their parents due to the recent immigration policy, but we would be extremely disappointed to learn that is the case.

“We have therefore requested the federal government to immediately refrain from using American for the purpose of transporting children who have been separated from their families due to the current immigration policy. We have no desire to be associated with separating families, or worse, to profit from it. We have every expectation the government will comply with our request and we thank them for doing so.”

 

[frankfrank]

Just watch. They'll rescind this policy...FOR NOW...until Agent Orange says the next outrageous thing that gets the public outraged...and they'll silently start shredding families and kidnapping children AGAIN. The public and the media will forget about this issue, because this will be done very secretly - and "illegal immigrants and amnesty seekers" have NO VOICE at all, so this can happen entirely unnoticed. Teflon Don...nothing sticks to him...his base loves him, even when he talks about these people "infesting" the U. S. What are these people, anyway - VERMIN?? Those seeking asylum are fleeing horrific and life-threatening situations, and their voices are supposed to be heard.

Asylum is an ENTIRELY different animal from "Mexicans crossing the border illegally" - and there are supposed to be some requirements for us to recognize their plight.

Apparently there are NO PLANS to reunite any of these thousands (and thousands and thousands and thousands?????) of children with their parents. The President did NOTHING. This same shit is guaranteed to continue, because he can get away with lying that the policy is changing.

It doesn't help that, to immigrate "PROPERLY and legally" the process may take DECADES, and it's easy for people to DIE waiting. Why should this process take any more than, say, five weeks? I mean, a lot of this can be done with databases, and this is just putting money into the pockets of private prison profiteers - and, yes, these ARE PRISONS, or more commonly I call them concentration camps.

This is likely to stay fucked up for a long time, and I am still thinking it's very likely some children (and possibly parents) have been secretly killed off. I also don't trust any figures that are coming out (like there were more than 1,000 children lost, and suddenly the figure 6,000 came out?).

 

[KaraBulut]

In the tradition of fucking up a wet dream, they misspelled "separated" in the Order:

Be on the lookout because the Administration is moving to negate the Flores Agreement which prevents the US government from holding immigrant children more than 20 days. They still want to continue to maintain "camps" for immigrants and they would have to undo Flores in order to keep the entire family incarcerated together with the children for more than 20 days.

 

[swmjck]

In the tradition of fucking up a wet dream, they misspelled "separated" in the Order:

Be on the lookout because the Administration is moving to negate the Flores Agreement which prevents the US government from holding immigrant children more than 20 days. They still want to continue to maintain "camps" for immigrants and they would have to undo Flores in order to keep the entire family incarcerated together with the children for more than 20 days.

2 of these children have apparently ended up here in Connecticut of all places. Rather than staying in Washington trying to figure out how to fix this mess, Herr Trump jetted off to a rally in Minnesota. The usual dog and pony show extolling his regime including the predictable "lock her up" and "Build the wall" with nary a mention of the biggest story of the day. The mindless robots also known as his "base" that apparently allow him to do what he wants with no consequences, lapped up all the hyperbole and for the most part the lies that he shoveled at them. Unfortunately, these automatons have no idea that most things that he utters are full blown lies and bluster. He needs to get his narcissistic ass back to Washington and start tracking down where all these children have been shipped off to and get them back to their parents. I know, fat chance, but a girl can dream.

 

[gsdx]

Unfortunately, these automatons have no idea that most things that he utters are full blown lies and bluster.

Oh, they know they're lies, but it's the people who are telling them that they are lies are the real liars. Trump told them so.

 

[KaraBulut]

Oh, they know they're lies, but it's the people who are telling them that they are lies are the real liars. Trump told them so.

You can pretty much anticipate who supports Trump by looking at where they get their news.

There's a feedback loop that has developed in a couple of news outlets where negative stories like the children at the border situation are not aired and all the positive White House press releases are parroted nearly verbatim (with spell-check turned on, though). It's no wonder that there's continued support from Trumpists because they're getting a very filtered view of what is going on.

On the other side of the coin, the people reading and watching more Left news outlets like Huffington Post and MSNBC are getting a big dose of anti-Trump stories and extensive coverage of the fallout of the "zero tolerance" policies. They're also hearing the words "lies" and seeing simultaneous graphics that say, "What he's saying is not true".

Something that I saw this morning that was like something out of 1984: at the Minnesota rally, there was a riff from Trump about how rich he is. Prior to this, the people in the audience were whooping and applauding. When Trump starts bragging about being rich, the applause is less enthusiastic and instead there's a lot of head nodding and robotic smiles. They even applaud when he points toward the audience and he reminds them that they were called "the deplorables". It's looking more and more like a cult.

CBS put out some poll numbers on how support of the parent-child separation policy plays in different groups (this was prior to the release of the recordings of the children crying and calling for their parents). It was not popular but there were differences that tied to party affiliation:

CBS News poll: Two-thirds of Americans say separating children, parents at border unacceptable [CBS]

Sixty-seven percent of Americans call it unacceptable to separate children from parents who've been caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally. Much of this is driven by large percentages of Democrats (90 percent) and independents (66 percent) who find it unacceptable, while Republicans are more divided overall, with 39 percent calling it unacceptable, and one in five had not heard enough about it. Older, very conservative Republicans are more apt to say it is acceptable, while younger and more moderate Republicans do not.

On a positive note: the government used to fund legal aide programs that provided legal assistance to immigrants who were arrested at the border (which the courts have said that they are entitled to by law). The Trump administration coincidentally pulled funding for those programs shortly before the announced their "zero tolerance" policy. A couple started a GoFundMe to raise funds to help provide legal assistance to families caught in the family separations at the border. Their fund raising goal was $1,500. As of this morning, the campaign had raised $15 million dollars.

 

[mikey3000]

According to a newly released Rasmussen poll, most voters blame the parents of the separated children at the border for the latest illegal immigration crisis, not the federal government.

When families are arrested and separated after attempting to enter the United States illegally, 54% of Likely U.S. Voters say the parents are more to blame for breaking the law. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that only 35% believe the federal government is more to blame for enforcing the law.

To help understand the current political debate over the children issue, a closer look shows that 82% of Republicans and 56% of voters not affiliated with either major political party feel the parents are more to blame for breaking the law. But 60% of Democrats say the government is more to blame for enforcing the law.

The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on June 19-20, 2018 by Rasmussen Reports.

Source Link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...e_parents_not_feds_for_border_children_crisis

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Now, back to the business of prosecuting the deep state.