Winter weather has hit the Puget Sound area, but conditions at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport were relatively dry when a Japan Airlines jet made tail contact with a Delta Airlines jet.
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Two Airliners connect at Sea-Tac Airport
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Winter weather has hit the Puget Sound area, but conditions at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport were relatively dry when a Japan Airlines jet made tail contact with a Delta Airlines jet.
TickTockMan
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What is happening? Planes and helicopters around the world keep messing up.
Traffic control from the tower at Sea-Tac Airport only covers part the total area where planes are in motion.
NotHardUp1
What? Me? Really?
Near misses and incidents are increasing as flight numbers increase, but there may also be a systemic problem with overloading infrastructure. If governments allow flights to reach unmanaged levels, then the system may be showing signs of age and lack of modernization.
There has been much about the near misses and runway incursions, but not too much context. The reported events are up from a decade ago, according to this article, but without the necessary comparative data in light of total flights for the antecedent, 2013.
Frommer's article
It is possible that we are teetering on the edge of a return of aviation disasters, but it's also possible that in an explosion of communication via social media and desperate 24/7 "news" channels, incidents are being hyped for views. It is hard to tell at this stage if this is a crisis looming, or merely hyperawareness.
For now, the standard remains fatalities, and they are not up statistically for domestic commercial carriers. To the contrary, we're still riding a wave of unprecedented lack of fatalities until the recent DC crash, still an outlier over the span of the prior years. It's not a trend until it is followed by other commercial crashes domestically.
I continue to find it unsettling that after an airliner lands at Sea-Tac Airport, pilots are pretty much on their own. Just like driving a car . . . I guess.
fabulouslyghetto
Kween of Hot Topics
I thought the answer to the mystery was understaffed ATC and aviation safety workers, the exact phrase during an interview with an aviatio safety worker/rep was "you have one person doing two people's jobs."
From every angle this situation looks awful, and I have a new respect for ground crew staff as they dodge the aircraft that taxi around by pilots looking through those tiny windows.
TickTockMan
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And this time there is a fatality, the private jet pilot. The impact appears to be off the runway, the landing jet may have lost control at touchdown.
NotHardUp1
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The law of large numbers seems to be asserting itself with a vengeance.
The Philadelphia crash and this one were both mechanical failures, so in a wholly different statisticall category than the mid-air collision in DC.
Everything happens fast in a landing disaster, but one must wonder why the LearJet pilot did not steer to the right when he saw the plane in front of him. He or she was travelling faster than cars do, but appeared to have time to steer away. I didn't hear any detail suggesting the landing gear was damaged or not functional, only the left engine's failure. Of course, it's easy to imagine that the crew's full attention was on the avionics panel, but landing is still partly visible.
So sad that a life was lost. A passenger strapped in a seat has zero chance when smashed at that speed.
The Philadelphia crash and this one were both mechanical failures, so in a wholly different statisticall category than the mid-air collision in DC.
Everything happens fast in a landing disaster, but one must wonder why the LearJet pilot did not steer to the right when he saw the plane in front of him. He or she was travelling faster than cars do, but appeared to have time to steer away. I didn't hear any detail suggesting the landing gear was damaged or not functional, only the left engine's failure. Of course, it's easy to imagine that the crew's full attention was on the avionics panel, but landing is still partly visible.
So sad that a life was lost. A passenger strapped in a seat has zero chance when smashed at that speed.
NotHardUp1
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I've never seen a crew cabin with "tiny windows". They are as large as humanly possible while keep the avionics high, near the plane of view. They have a wider angle of view than automobiles do, or most large seacraft. On the ground, they require extra assistance due to traffic at an airport. In the air, the large windscreens work fine in 99.9% of flight time.
However, even WITH large windscreens, the challenges of congested airspace may just be too much to prevent all accidents. There is SO much to visually take in when over a city, and a small craft making a bee line for you is almost invisible until he gets near, and you need to be looking directly at him to see in time.
A few of the air disasters have shown the extreme difficulty in those circumstances. The tower has done everything it can to make them aware, but physics sometimes conspire against success, and life.
It is perfectly possible to have a plane with no windows. Getting rid of the passenger windows adds strength and saves weight, the people will be too busy looking at their phones to notice. A windowless cockpit is more aerodynamic, quieter and, in a crash safer. The crew get all the information they need from the instruments most of the time, cameras can fill in the gaps. How can you tell I watched Thunderbirds?
fabulouslyghetto
Kween of Hot Topics
Physics, greed and American hubris. A deadly combination. If we spent as much on safety as we spend funding wars this could be prevented. It's not some inevitable inescapable tragedy for giant hunks of metal to keep crashing into each other or dropping from the sky. It's arrogance and greed, like most of our problems.
NotHardUp1
What? Me? Really?
That doesn't seem to be ever likely. The pilot is either the greatest asset or greatest liability at the time of crisis in flight. The sole reliance on fly-by-wire has repeatedly and fatally been at fault when systems fail.
Technology is only a great help when it is working. Anyone who has had an automobile with all the bells and whistles will quickly tell you that malfunctioning systems are a thing, and if you need them to fly or land, a vital system.
I doubt the FAA will ever support a blind commercial airliner. A diode burns out or a program has a glitch and 300 people die. Not a roll of the dice that regulators are willing to make.
On the LearJet crash, I either misheard the news or the story got it wrong early. The plane's landing gear indeed failed, so the crew probably had no ability to steer.
It will be interesting to learn whether the gear suffered system failure (hydraulics, etc.), or was missed in some necessary maintenance inspection, failed due to fatigue or counterfeit components, or was somehow damaged on impact and was unavoidable.
Charles Lindberg couldn't see a thing when he made his epic flight, the extended fuel tank blocked out all his windscreen. No radio, no air traffic control, just a compass. But in those days there weren't many planes about, nothing to crash into.
smokeshadow
JUB Addict
^^except maybe, good ole Mother Earth
TickTockMan
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fabulouslyghetto
Kween of Hot Topics
glass half full, no fatalities this time. i guess that's where we are??
Always questions when military craft crash but the pilots saved lives by sending the jet into water.