Twofer; Canada to America 'THIS is how you handle racial discrimination' / cops called on black couple for not giving up their table

[mcbrion]

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I DO. But then, I'm Black. Well, Black ENOUGHl And you? You're...what? Fair minded? This column is HOT TOPICS, not HOT WHITE TOPICS. One thing I've noticed in my 70 years: when Black people get too "uppity" for whites - including White gay - who were as vile during the AIDS crisis in San Francisco in the 80 as anyone I'd seen when living in the South (Blacks "aren't a priority," they told a White friend of mine who was on one of their councils. They didn't know he preferred Black companions.) there's always someone like you to tell us to calm down. Like your parents and grandparents did in the 20th century.
Now, MY family is half White/American Indian and Black on my father's side. My White relatives, were they to hear you, would whip you - pardon the pun - Black and Blue for your comments. And I am not one of FabulouslyGhetto's usual supporters, as he knows. But only on subjects that DON'T involve race (the Kevin Spacey thread). Otherwise, FG, while I think you're over the top sometimes, and I think you could be less bitchy about your comments, I also know that I don't know you as a person, so I have to go by your threads.

That said, I know what "Mikey" doesn't: America hasn't changed a great deal since I was born - with the exception of the last two generations. What most of you just read in history, I had to live through. And it was ugly, which is why I admire (some of) the younger generations (But I wish you suckers would put down those damn smartphones.) But for you M, to call FG's comments "racist rants"? You're someone who just doesn't like the idea of someone Black pushing black issues that we Black Americans face every day onto this "nice" little gay site, where White guys make racist comments all the time ("Big Black cocks," as though there wasn't a human being with feelings attached to them). And those guys? As Auntie Em said in the Wizard of Oz to Elmira Gulch, " For 23 years, I've been dying to tell you what I think of you, but, well, being a Christian woman...I can't." That's how I feel about the BBC posters. They repulse me. And YOU? You'd be the person saying "Let Them Eat Cake." And we know what happened to her. Maybe you are also different than what you write on these pages. It's hard to tell what someone's character is like simply by what they write - UNLESS it reduces other humans to mere "things." I've seen more of human nature than nearly anyone on this site, and those kinds of comments - which the moderators allow - are vile. You object to "race," but I've never seen you comment on anyone saying "I've just had my first BBC." I don't wish you harm, I just wish [Text: Removed]. And the BBC posters as well.

 

[mikey3000]

Discrimination is discrimination, and it is illegal in Canada. If the restaurant fears patrons 'doing a runner', then make the policy across the board during the early morning hours. Choosing who might eat and run and demanding that they prepay is discrimination. And the punishment was not too harsh. Discrimination is punished up here enough so that the guilty parties change their 'policies' and the way they do business.

Actually no. The Canadian government does not recognize cases of reverse discrimination. If I was turned down for a job because I'm white, it's not recognized. If I was prohibited from joining an all female gym, my rights are not respected. Also the Charter only guarantees equality for things mentioned in the charter. If someone wants to discriminate on the grounds of, say, height or shoe size or eye colour, they can. So no, discrimination is not discrimination.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

If I was turned down for a job because I'm white, it's not recognized.

That hypothetical slight stings huh? Now imagine it happening to you, your white friends, your white neighbors, your white cousins and their kids, and their kids' kids, and their kids..... That would be awful.

 

[mikey3000]

And if it did, I'd look for the reasons why and try to fix them.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

And if it did, I'd look for the reasons why and try to fix them.

There wouldn't be much to fix even after you're liberated, at first many your acquaintances would die of starvation if black denied them critical resources. You could fight for civil rights but you're only as equal as the elite allow. If they don't want you living in their neighborhoods, going to their schools, walking on their sidewalks or marrying their daughters and have the economic and political power to prevent you from doing so it ain't shit you can do but sing the blues. This is the part where you fantasize that you and yours would rebel against the system because to you it's an exercise of strategy tantamount to a video game, it's not your life, it's never been your life but your armchair commentary is appreciated.

 

[mikey3000]

There wouldn't be much to fix even after you're liberated, at first many your acquaintances would die of starvation if black denied them critical resources. You could fight for civil rights but you're only as equal as the elite allow. If they don't want you living in their neighborhoods, going to their schools, walking on their sidewalks or marrying their daughters and have the economic and political power to prevent you from doing so it ain't shit you can do but sing the blues. This is the part where you fantasize that you and yours would rebel against the system because to you it's an exercise of strategy tantamount to a video game, it's not your life, it's never been your life but your armchair commentary is appreciated.

I wouldn't. I'd just migrate to where me and my customs are familiar and welcome. That's what I'd do.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I wouldn't. I'd just migrate to where me and my customs are familiar and welcome. That's what I'd do.

You silly fool you were born into slavery you don't have a native tongue or culture or heritage, that was all forfeited. If you went back to where your ancestors were taken from it would be infinitely foreign and who's to say they would embrace these strangers? Blacks would let you live in the slums surrounded by violence and destitution, oh and don't cross that line into suburbia if you know what's good for you. Your life will be shit because we will dictate it so and phooey if you make a stink about it.

 

[PipeDream]

And I replied to you. If you don't want to discuss it, don't mention it. You opened the door.

I didn't 'open the door', I brought it up with a specific purpose and within a specific context that you are choosing to ignore in favour of talking past me about tangentially related topics. In doing so, you forfeit the right to criticise another person for being unwilling to engage in actual discussion since it's evident you've no interest in understanding what I'm actually trying to say.

So you really are critizing supporters of your cause because they arent radical enough to support your agenda. Got it. You're so full of shit it ain't even funny anymore. And you're obviously to blind to see that your methods are doing way more harm than good. What a disaster.

It might be the sleep deprivation, but the seemingly deliberate obtuseness in this thread is actually doing my head in. I'm so out.

 

[mikey3000]

You silly fool you were born into slavery you don't have a native tongue or culture or heritage, that was all forfeited. If you went back to where your ancestors were taken from it would be infinitely foreign and who's to say they would embrace these strangers? Blacks would let you live in the slums surrounded by violence and destitution, oh and don't cross that line into suburbia if you know what's good for you. Your life will be shit because we will dictate it so and phooey if you make a stink about it.

Well, you have no problem referring to them as "your people", why would they?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Well, you have no problem referring to them as "your people", why would they?

Translation: Damn this bitch got me

 

[mikey3000]

Translation=I don't have a better comeback so I'll just toss out this nonsensical reply.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Translation=I don't have a better comeback so I'll just toss out this nonsensical reply.

Admitting it is the first step to recovery. Good job mate.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I didn't 'open the door', I brought it up with a specific purpose and within a specific context that you are choosing to ignore in favour of talking past me about tangentially related topics. In doing so, you forfeit the right to criticise another person for being unwilling to engage in actual discussion since it's evident you've no interest in understanding what I'm actually trying to say.



It might be the sleep deprivation, but the seemingly deliberate obtuseness in this thread is actually doing my head in. I'm so out.

It’s not your sleep deprivation.

 

[peeonme]

I didn't 'open the door', I brought it up with a specific purpose and within a specific context that you are choosing to ignore in favour of talking past me about tangentially related topics. In doing so, you forfeit the right to criticise another person for being unwilling to engage in actual discussion since it's evident you've no interest in understanding what I'm actually trying to say.



It might be the sleep deprivation, but the seemingly deliberate obtuseness in this thread is actually doing my head in. I'm so out.

This is exactly what you did throughout the entirety of the Starbucks thread in your desperate attempt to delude yourself into believing it wasn't a case of real racism. Don't think people haven't noticed that you didn't respond to the fact that the police were called two minutes after the men entered the building.

I'm starting to see a trend here. Projection?

You mentioned that I didn't reply to the 2 minute time line, I addressed your problem with an explanation:

As for Star Bucks, the 2 minute issue didn't surface at first. I still have to question how long they (the 2 men) were there, why they didn't order and why they didn't leave after being asked to do so by the cops.
How can you fit asking for the code to the bathroom, being told to order if you want to use it and the cops showing up within that time frame? I had read at first that there were Real Estate brokers, then it was Realtors and finally entrepreneurs. The story evolved.
Star Bucks claimed to have an open to the public rest room policy, if so, then why have a code for access?
What about a cop who was denied access?

 

[PipeDream]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe you're not trolling me right now. You're completely ignoring everything I'm saying in order to talk past me about something else you seem to want to talk about for whatever reason when I've explicitly stated, numerous times, that it has absolutely nothing to do with the point I've been trying to make. For the last time, I brought up the Starbucks thread not to talk about the Starbucks incident itself, but the way you responded within that thread. Your behaviour. Not the incident. You. Behaving in a way you're trying criticise the OP of this thread for. It's about the hypocrisy, not the story within the thread. I genuinely don't know why I've had to state this three times now and I have a strong suspicion that you're still going to ignore what I'm actually trying to say anyway.

I think I'm going to have to practice better self-restraint so I don't click on this thread again.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I still [STRIKE]have[/STRIKE] choose to question how long they (the 2 men) were there, why they didn't order and why they didn't leave after being asked to do so by the cops.

Corrected for actuality. I guess you would've had to question why Rosa didn't give up her seat, why Harriet had a shotgun, why Rodney didn't put his hands behind his back or why Philando Castile didn't have his firearm license [except he did] even after a hundred years of mistreatment by police your mind still cannot conceptualize that black people could be innocent when arrested, they must have done something, right? White people wouldn't just kick them around for no reason, right? It's not like that's been happening to black people since they were brought to the Americas, right? Your refusal to concede until their innocence has been proven with a mountain of evidence including video and audio tape, written confessions and multiple witnesses is further proof of a bias against people of color. You do that in every thread about black people. You assume if I'm sticking up for a black person it's due to an obnoxious and unreasonable commitment to my people, innocent or not, it couldn't possibly be that I have so much experience dealing with prejudice that I know how to recognize the signs and differentiate when someone of color is being targeted for no reason, right? No no no that couldn't be it. I must just be taking their side because they're black.

 

[gsdx]

Actually no. The Canadian government does not recognize cases of reverse discrimination.

I won't get into this again with you, but I wish you would do a little research before you start spewing misinformation:

The Canadian Human Rights Act

PART I

Proscribed Discrimination

General

Prohibited grounds of discrimination

3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/page-1.html#h-3
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/

Last I heard, 'white' was a colour. You can be discriminated against just as well as Fab, and you both would have recourse through the Human Rights Commission, just as Mr. Wickham did.

As I said before, discrimination is discrimination in the eyes of Canadian law.

 

[peeonme]

I won't get into this again with you, but I wish you would do a little research before you start spewing misinformation:

The Canadian Human Rights Act



http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/page-1.html#h-3
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/

Last I heard, 'white' was a colour. You can be discriminated against just as well as Fab, and you both would have recourse through the Human Rights Commission, just as Mr. Wickham did.

As I said before, discrimination is discrimination in the eyes of Canadian law.

In the USA laws are written to protect minorities and proposed to protect woman. Such things as "equal pay" are introduced because of the pay gap between men and women, while at the same time it is against the rules in most places that I have worked in to reveal your pay rate to another employee. So if you are more qualified and are the first to be hired after a recession you will not be offered top dollar,
then a year latter the boss finds that help is harder to come by and starts new guys out at a higher rate of pay. The same guys that ask you questions and borrow your tools.

When I was unemployed back in 2009 I was called for a job interview, the first question that I was asked is if I was married and if so did my wife work and have her own health care, when I told them that I was married and that my wife didn't work I was informed that they only hired men with working wives or single men as they didn't want to have to pay for a spouses insurance.
Surely this was discrimination, I called the state agency that handles work place discrimination and they asked me if I was a minority, I told them no and they said that they couldn't do anything.

Life isn't fair and you can never have enough rules to insure that it will be.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Discrimination is discrimination and obviously it can and does happen to white people, but not nearly or even close to the amount that it happens to people of color. But clearly facts like this don’t matter unless you want to point out how many years slavery happened...

 

[gsdx]

In the USA laws are written to protect minorities and proposed to protect woman.

We don't limit the protection to just minorities or women. Our laws protect every Canadian from discrimination.