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Tyler Clementi’s Roommate Pleads Not Guilty to Hate Crime

And because the Gawker article didn't make it entirely clear, he has plead not guilty to all the charges leveled against him not just the hate crime charges.
 
MyReply said:
Won't be a popular thing to say here, but I don't think the "hate crime" charge was just. All of these others were, but not that one.
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I've seen this opinion here before, and it isn't popular.

Why do you think the charge was unjust?
 
i think that he should go to jail and rotten there for the shit he did to this poor guy,but he SHOULD not be guilty of murder or anything coz he didn't kill him so he is not a murderer at all.

in many ways he is paying a heavy price for a prank that he neeeeeeever in his freaking life thought that it was gonna end up the way it did,tooooo bad, if he would've done it to me,i would've probably filmed him taking a shit and i would have posted the video all over in youtube, butttt...... he came across a mentally unstable guy who didn't know how to take a joke and now he must pay the consequences.
 
What makes a hate crime? Ravi knew Clementi was gay, so there was motivation itself to cause him embarrassment by exposing Tyler's personal moments in a live webcam. He's going down wrt this hate crime, methinks...



http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-crime-student-idUSTRE74M46F20110523
Another student implicated in the case, Molly Wei, 19, has agreed to testify against Ravi as part of a plea deal. She has applied for a pretrial intervention program that could mean the two counts of invasion of privacy against her are dropped.

In exchange for having the charges dismissed, Wei must testify against Ravi, complete 300 hours of community service, undergo counseling on cyberbullying and take classes on dealing with people of alternative lifestyles.
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Small fry gets away.
 
MyReply said:
Won't be a popular thing to say here, but I don't think the "hate crime" charge was just. All of these others were, but not that one.
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I agree. For it to be a hate crime there has to be intention. In my days as a student, there were many stupid things done by students on others as pranks, just as bad as what happened to Tyler, none of which were intended to be hateful. It was certainly very stupid, but whether hateful, I don't know. Just an opinion, after knowing the stupid things students do.
 
fetaby said:
I've seen this opinion here before, and it isn't popular.

Why do you think the charge was unjust?
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As I agree that the hate crimes charge was unjust: There's a difference between doing something to humiliate someone because they were gay and doing something just to humiliate someone. From what I've read on the case, it feels that the two of them were just doing it to plain humiliate him, and his being gay was just happenstance. They would have humiliated him regardless of anything else...

RG
 
RobinGoodfellow said:
As I agree that the hate crimes charge was unjust: There's a difference between doing something to humiliate someone because they were gay and doing something just to humiliate someone. From what I've read on the case, it feels that the two of them were just doing it to plain humiliate him, and his being gay was just happenstance. They would have humiliated him regardless of anything else...

RG
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I agree. They may well have done the same thing if he had say brought home an older woman. Or even a woman of the same age. I certainly had friends at Uni who would have got a great laugh out of taping one of their friends having sex with a woman and broadcasting it on the net (if the net had existed then).
To me, there is more to this story than meets the eye. Something other than this incident, reading between the lines of the whole story. Perhaps I'm wrong.
 
^ Not that I agree with what the perpetrators did. It was very, very bad. Just not sure about it being a hate crime.
 
Wrong. She was in the room and didn't stop him. She's complicit.
 
I don't think this was a hate crime. I do think this was a cruel attempt to humilate someone and it backfired badly.
I have no pity for him though. His acts caused a death and he deserves to be punished for it.
 
RobinGoodfellow said:
As I agree that the hate crimes charge was unjust: There's a difference between doing something to humiliate someone because they were gay and doing something just to humiliate someone. From what I've read on the case, it feels that the two of them were just doing it to plain humiliate him, and his being gay was just happenstance. They would have humiliated him regardless of anything else...

RG
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Authorities say the case began in early August, when Ravi learned who he'd be rooming with in his first year at Rutgers.

Soon after that, he posted a message on his Twitter account: "Found out my roommate is gay," and linked to a thread that Clementi is believed to have posted on a gay community chat room.

Then on Sept. 19, according to Twitter archives stored by Google, he tweeted again: "Roommate asked for the room till midnight. I went into molly's room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay."
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Just to plain humiliate...

That doesn't make sense to me. How can a person be "plain humiliated"?

justaguy said:
I agree. They may well have done the same thing if he had say brought home an older woman. Or even a woman of the same age. I certainly had friends at Uni who would have got a great laugh out of taping one of their friends having sex with a woman and broadcasting it on the net (if the net had existed then).
To me, there is more to this story than meets the eye. Something other than this incident, reading between the lines of the whole story. Perhaps I'm wrong.
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But would it have been humiliating?

You don't have to look too far between the lines to see that according to some, being gay is a thing of shame and grounds to be humiliated by.

Ninja108 said:
I don't think this was a hate crime. I do think this was a cruel attempt to humilate someone and it backfired badly.
I have no pity for him though. His acts caused a death and he deserves to be punished for it.
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How did this event become "cruel" yet not a hate crime?

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There seems to be a sense of degradation accepted with being gay. That it could be a valid reason for being picked on and not worthy of the title hate. It's subtle, and I think a reason so many are missing it's existence.

You can't have it both ways, being gay can't be something one could be proud of and another be ashamed. That shame being used as a weapon to humiliate is a hate crime.
 
justaguy said:
I agree. For it to be a hate crime there has to be intention. In my days as a student, there were many stupid things done by students on others as pranks, just as bad as what happened to Tyler, none of which were intended to be hateful. It was certainly very stupid, but whether hateful, I don't know. Just an opinion, after knowing the stupid things students do.
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I still don't think it was a hate crime.

If it was a hate crime, why did they get along well as a room mate in the first place ?
Did Ravi really really forced Tyler to kill him self ?] NO
 
loki81 said:
they didn't know he was gay until afterward, no?
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loki81 said:
most people would be humiliated by having a hookup broadcast to the entire world, regardless of sexual orientation.

to charge the roommate with a hate crime, they'd have to conclusively prove that he knew Tyler was gay beforehand and that the homosexuality was a driving force for his actions.
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According to Ravi's tweets, he knew Tyler was gay from the first day they roomed together. Tyler told him personally that he was indeed gay.

As for most people being humiliated? Kim Kardasian.... Not only had a sexual escapade broadcast become a celebutant from the publicity. There is no hard and fast rule for how people will react in this situation. But there is an alarming trend in the kind of attention visited upon gay people in these situations. But that's not so much what the situation invokes, but rather a reflection of the attitudes prior.
 
his pleading not guilty was to be expected

i will maintain my faith in the courts and hope that justice is served
 
Seriously? I don't think the jury will buy that crap.

star-warrior said:
Small fry gets away.
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Didn't the news report her for not knowing what Ravi did with her webcam despite her being in her room? I'd say it's pretty fair.

Well, except she also tampered with her evidences, that's a whole different story.
 
the idea that Ravi would have set up the camera if his roomie were straight is stupid -

he did it to embellish his breathless tweeting, "OMG my roomate is gay!

my only issue with the weight of the charges is that Ravi had no idea where this would lead.

it's not equivalent to cruising in a car in a gay neighborhood with three other homophobes carrying bats.
 
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