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Tyler Clementi

We all share the loss of Tyler a talented young man who died way to young.
 
Hope this gets traction. It won't give his parents their son back but it would give them a little feeling that his death wasn't completely in vain......maybe......

U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg and Rep. Rush Holt (D-12) have introduced anti-harassment legislation requiring colleges to have policies on the books in the wake of Tyler Clementi of Ridgewood's suicide.


"The Tyler Clementi Higher Education Anti-Harassment Act," introduced in both the Senate and the House of Representatives, would provide funding for schools to establish or expand programs to prevent harassment of students.
"The tragic impact of bullying on college campuses has damaged too many young adults, and it is time for our college to put policies on the books that would protect students from harassment," Lautenberg said in a release.


Clementi, a Ridgewood native, was alleged to have been harassed by his Rutgers roommate and a dormmate, where prosecutors say the pair invaded his privacy and disseminated images of Clementi having a sexual encounter with another man.
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http://wyckoff.patch.com/articles/a...geting-colleges-named-for-ridgewoods-clementi
 
Doesn't all of this already occur? How does any institution function without some Code of Conduct in place prohibiting discrimination and harassment?

My university had these procedures in place, counseling and mental health services and a complaint service for victims of harassment...etc. Not sure what the stats were of students accessing those services but they were there nonetheless.

What the bill should do is create an external body empowered to investigate complaints from students who are getting nowhere with internal avenues, and provide for this body to impose sanctions against the perpetrators of the harassment and the institution itself for failing to enforce the rules in place, IMHO.
 
Such legislation is half a century overdue and should have included all schools starting at the elementary level all the way through college.
This would also have stemmed workplace harassment in the bud. The current workplace harassment laws are similar but should have been applied to schools as well where they would have been more effective.
 
loki81 said:
is this really the job of the federal government?
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I was picked on and bullied all 12 years of school, because I was the "sissy".
The teachers did nothing, sometimes standing there getting a good laugh. Some of parents encouraged their kid "to be a man", and thought it showed strength to bullying other kids. Some parents didn't give a shit.
 
loki81 said:
is this really the job of the federal government?
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Yes, because history shows us that if left up to the states...it mostly like wouldn't happen. Even if it did happen and they passed it, the FBI would be unable help in any of these cases (if needed) because it's not a Federal law.
 
I hope the bill passes just so we will remember Tyler and other like him and their stories.

In reality, what is needed is an change in attitude for school administrators, teachers, students, their parents and the general public toward us.
 
With these new charges, Dharun Ravi now has a 15-count indictment against him. I wonder if he and Molly Wei still think their prank was harmless fun?

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Roommate charged with hate crime in NJ suicide

TRENTON, N.J. – A former Rutgers University freshman was indicted Wednesday on a hate crime charge after allegedly using a webcam to spy on a same-sex encounter involving his roommate, who committed suicide shortly afterward in a case that started a national conversation on bullying.

A 15-count indictment was handed up Wednesday by a Middlesex County grand jury against Dharun Ravi, of Plainsboro, who had already faced invasion of privacy charges along with another student, Molly Wei.

The indictment says Ravi targeted Clementi and invaded his privacy knowing that Clementi would be intimidated because of his sexual orientation.

According to the indictment, Ravi deleted a Twitter post letting others know how they could view a second encounter involving Clementi and replaced it with a false tweet; deleted text messages sent and received by witnesses; and gave false information to police — all actions intended to mislead investigators.

If convicted of the most serious bias charge, Ravi could face five to 10 years in prison.
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Full article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110420/ap_on_re_us/us_rutgers_suicide
 
Good, I hope he and Molly get some serious prison time out of this.
 
The very idea of "hate crimes" is ridiculous. The dozens of women murdered by Ted Bundy are no less valuable than Matthew Shepherd. To have the criminal get "extra demerits" for selecting a minority is crazy.
 
Charging a hate crime is charging an aggravating factor to the offense. This is nothing new. It is not a separate offense. It merely adds additional elements which must be proved in order for the penalty to be harsher.

We already punish offenses differently based on characteristics of the victim, for example offenses against children or against an elderly person or against a peace officer.

We already distinguish crimes based on premeditation and intent. There is a difference between various degrees of murder and manslaughter.

Hate crime laws operate in exactly the same way. They do not make hate a crime. They do not make mere words a crime. Those are part of the crime only when they provide evidence that the victim was selected because of his association with specific characteristics. Typically, those characteristics are similar to the lists in anti-discrimination legislation.

Hate crime laws protect everyone equally because everyone has a race. Everyone has a color. Everyone has a religious viewpoint. Everyone has a gender. Everyone has a sexual orientation. If the victim is chosen because of his presumed membership in a group defined by these categories, the crime becomes a hate crime.

Let's review. A hate crime is not a separate offense. A hate crime law does not criminalize hate. A hate crime law does not criminalize speech. A hate crime law does not give greater protection to one person over another.

I hope this helps folk understand why hate crime laws are unobjectionable.
 
lucky7 said:
Why should the motive matter? And why is it a good idea for the law to punish people differently (for the same crime) depending on what we think the person's thoughts are?
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These people should be punished for invading privacy and obstructing the investigation. The victim being gay should have nothing to do with it. I feel the same for racial crimes as well.
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Was Tyler Clementi targeted at random or was he targeted because he was gay? The evidence suggests he was targeted because he was gay. This was no random event. Hate if relevant to the case should be a factor to consider in the analysis IMO.

Being member of a minority is a critical factor in some cases. Sometimes people are targeted because of their minority status (real or perceived). The evidence presented during the trial should provide more elements for this discussion.
 
Hate crimes exist because there are still people who specifically TARGET gay people. If Tyler was straight and he was going to make out with a girl, his roommate Ravi wouldn't have thought it was a good idea to humiliate him online.

Ravi was targeted for his sexuality. The hate crime here is appropriate imo.
 
I'm probably alone here, but I kinda feel for the perps. Like many crimes I'm sure they never thought it would end up the way it did. And all involved on both sides were just kids, too.

All told, the entire thing is tragic no matter which way you look at it.

-d-
 
lucky7 said:
Why should the motive matter? And why is it a good idea for the law to punish people differently (for the same crime) depending on what we think the person's thoughts are?
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So are you in favor of doing away with varying punishments for murder as well?

1st degree: it was the person's motive to take the life from the beginning

2nd degree: generally it was not premeditated but was the result of a poor decision

3rd degree/manslaugher: generally the result of gross negligence

The motive is the only difference in these cases, the end result (a life being taken) was the same.

Personally I think the motive is a reasonable discriminator for punishment.
 
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