The Original Gay Porn Community - Free Gay Movies and Photos, Gay Porn Site Reviews and Adult Gay Forums

  • Welcome To Just Us Boys - The World's Largest Gay Message Board Community

    In order to comply with recent US Supreme Court rulings regarding adult content, we will be making changes in the future to require that you log into your account to view adult content on the site.
    If you do not have an account, please register.
    REGISTER HERE - 100% FREE / We Will Never Sell Your Info

    PLEASE READ: To register, turn off your VPN (iPhone users- disable iCloud); you can re-enable the VPN after registration. You must maintain an active email address on your account: disposable email addresses cannot be used to register.

  • Hi Guest - Did you know?
    Hot Topics is a Safe for Work (SFW) forum.

Tyler Clementi

^^Well, Islamic law is more black and white. I didn't say it was perfect - in fact, I specifically made sure I didn't say it was perfect - but I think it has its merits and the lack of gray is one of those. In my defence, I live in the 3rd world; many legal decisions and precedents down here seem to be sucked out of the judges' thumbs as the fancy takes them. The constitutions of the different countries are often drastically altered and many loopholes creep in; as a result, we rarely get black and white verdicts down here.

Bearing in mind, the US legal system will successfully prosecute you and have you on the sex offenders' register for standing naked in your own lounge at 5am in front of an open curtain looking into your own back garden if you are seen by a trespasser walking illegally through your back garden with a child... their system is far from perfect on what should be simple black and white issues, let alone the complicated stuff.

You make a valid point regarding net and gross damage. My point regarding the overweight - not entirely non-ham-fistedly made, it seems - was intended to ask whether a group needed specific mention under a law, or if general hate could be shown the crime would be bumped up to the status of a hate crime.

-d-
 
blackbeltninja said:
Shari'a/Islamic law it is tradtionally applied equally regardless of circumstance. Theft by a poor man to feed his family out of desperation and necessity is deemed as bad as theft for the purposes of greed or laziness.
-d-
Click to expand...

That is actually false. A man who steals out of necessity or hunger won't have his hands amputated unlike someone who steals out of greed.
 
"Everybody knows homophobia is wrong, yet they still exist. "

really??? I'd say about 40% of the american public would say there are just following God's will.

they wouldn't call it hating gays, they's say something insipid, like "hate the sin, love the sinner," but the fact remains they often very angry about our "open perversion."

look at the Westboro Church people -


and lets be honest - quite a few law enforcement personnel agree that homosexuality is a sin.

And sinner ought to be punished, right?

that's why hate crime laws exist - because some people were getting beaten up regularly, and most people did not take it seriously.

in many gay bashing case, a younger guy used to say, "the perv touched my leg," and he was given a slap on the wrist.
 
I think Tyler's family is amazing. I don't know that I could show their level of compassion.
 
I remember when this story first hit the news, and I think I was like the rest of the LGBT community wanting these kids to be made an example.

With time distancing us from Tyler's suicide, I think it's safe to say that community service and counseling is an appropriate punishment. What these kids did was mean-spirited and wrong, but above all it was stupid. I doubt it was their intention for Tyler to kill himself, and I don't see how they can be held legally responsible for that. At the end of the day, they are kids. And kids, particularly teenagers and college students, do stupid things they regret.
 
I always questioned Wei's level of involvement. If she was only minimally involved, I think the deal is appropriate. Ravi's action were definitely criminal and he should serve jail time. Not for the death, but for what he is charged with (if he is convicted).
 
I feel sorry for everyone involved -- but you know, it won't bring Tyler back and it breaks my heart. Because their prank was so serious in its repercussions, I think they need to pay. How can you say you're sorry enough when you caused someone to kill himself?
 
In a very real sense this was a crime that wouldn't have happened without the internet and related technology. If it had just been his roommate and the girl watching, and joking with friends, I think Tyler would still be with us. It's the power to not just humiliate someone in front of a few who are actually present, or even watch from the other side of a wall, but to allow others to watch all across the world, and spread the humiliation to unseen, unknown voyeurs. Kids take the internet so for granted, and have no problem spilling their own intimate details where millions can read them, and so they fail to grasp the impact of sharing something personal that doesn't belong to them.

That's no excuse, of course -- acting to humiliate another human being is just as out of line with or without the cam or the internet. But the power of the latter needs to be grasped and appreciated.
 
I don't think the ultimate goal was to have him kill himself, I really don't.
However, their actions DID lead to Tyler killing himself, and there has to be consquences for that.
 
i think they bouth ought to be fed to sharks
 
I'm still on the fence about this. They where incredibly wrong for the invasion of privacy. However to hold other people responsible for something that's really a personal decision such as killing yourself is a grey area for me. Something like this wouldn't affect me to the point of killing myself. I would probably beat the shit out of my roommate or sue all parties involved. But I have a different mind state. We should be upset at society for making this man feel ashamed about his sexual orientation.
 
Ninja108 said:
I don't think the ultimate goal was to have him kill himself, I really don't.
However, their actions DID lead to Tyler killing himself, and there has to be consquences for that.
Click to expand...

Yeah! And Auguste and Louis Lumière inventing the motion picture led to Triumph of the Will being made. Clearly, they should be held responsible for the Holocaust.

I don't understand how legally you can make your assertion. Nancy Grace's actions led to the suicide of Melinda Duckett. That didn't make her legally responsible. If Ravi and Wei pushed Tyler Clementi in front of a train, they should be held responsible for his death.

However, he made the free choice to end his life. A tragic choice to be sure, but a choice nonetheless.

Invasion of privacy? Definitely. Cyber-bullying? Or course. But the implication that this was somehow akin to murder is astounding.
 
Tyler Clementi cyberbullying trial begins . . . The Rutgers University student killed himself after his roommate spied on him with another man.

http://gma.yahoo.com/tyler-clementi-cyberbullying-trial-begins-today-182111675--abc-news.html

ap_tyler_clementi_dm_111212_wmain.jpg
 
I have little faith in the American legal system in terms of handling cases concerning gay victims. I pray all goes well.
 
I hope justice will be served. Ravi should not go free, but it does not look promising.
 
well, i think that the penalty the other guy is facing is a bit harsh. dude is going to get kicked out the country if he gets convicted along with facing 10 years in prison or something like that. i know he will be deported and his citizenship will be terminated if he gets convicted. i think he should be made an example out of but not so much where he doesn't learn from what he did as well as others. let him be a walking example of what happens when you take your homophobia to a level where it leads to someone being hurt with something that fits what his actions are accounted for. he shouldn't be penalized for tyler killing himself. he had some responsibility for that but he shouldn't be blamed for what tyler did to himself.
 
GiancarloC said:
He should have thought about the potential consequences of his actions. He's an adult. I think deportation could be appropriate.
Click to expand...

how so? i don't think he intended for the prank to get to the point where tyler killed himself. deportation is a bit serious for something like this.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top