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Tyler Clementi

When someone is frantic like that, just one poorly spoken word is all that is needed to push someone over the edge. I experienced that myself not too long ago . But it is places like this that guys like me seek out and come to for support from people with more experience in this world. These places are very important so please, keep it up. I too have experienced the suicide of an internet friend (two years ago today) and was totally devastated for quite a while. I still shed a tear when I occasionally watch a youtube video of him.

I used to believe that God never gave us more than we could handle, but now I realize that when he does, suicide is just God's way of calling us home for some much needed rest, just like rebooting our computers. Reset. We come back in due time to complete our journey. But in the mean time, and if you're so inclined, please say a little prayer for all the Tylers in our lives to show that we haven't forgotten them.

Peace.
:D
 
I wonder how common Tyler's situation is .

Someone ultra closeted gets exposed and ends up killing himself.
 
I would imagine it happens all the time.

Just slight changes.

They seem to all follow a similar template



First: Gay Person

Second: Lives Closeted

Three: ?????

Four: Kills themselves

tbh
 
Happens all the time. Suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for 15-24 year-olds with LGBT young people attempting suicide four times more than their heterosexual peers.
 
really common if you ask me and understandably so. fear can drive you over the edge.
 
Yes young gay black boys are doing it everyday. It's only the when the white boys do it when it gets publicized. Conspiracy.
 
Tyler wasn't really closeted, he was out to his family, it seems to have been the room mates treatment of him that upset him.
 
If Ravi was white, most posts at JUB would be somewhere along the lines of "omg he is so hot! It's Tyler's fault."
 
penayforay said:
I can see how some might view the question I proposed as a loaded one, but these are the kinds of questions I think about at night. Would there have been as much media attention if Ravi were white and Tyler was a POC?

I know some of you might groan at me and be like "oh God, not the race card, the Tyler Clementi case was all about gay bullying, not racism" but sometimes I come across articles like this http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/opinion/why-vincent-chin-matters.html

and I get reminded of the fact that in today's age, racism is not always so blatant and so in your face. Its often subtle in a way that the majority of people dont address it. Its when a white person thinks "exotic" is a compliment. Its when someone assumes that me and my Asian friend are related because we're both Asian. Could it be the way in which a POC receives mass attention and punishment for a crime that would far less severe for a white person?

Thoughts?
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I always thought you are caucasian.
 
The sad part of this story is that Ravi Dharun was released from jail early and is now living his life. Meanwhile, Tyler Clementi is still dead.

I know Dharun was not charged with Clementi's death, but he surely contributed to it. The entire scenario just doesn't seem right.
 
If the positions were reversed, the defendant would have been accused of racial hatred as well as being anti gay and the sentence would have been greater.
 
Ram said:
If Ravi was white, most posts at JustUsBoys would be somewhere along the lines of "omg he is so hot! It's Tyler's fault."
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:rotflmao: you already know. as much as people in here and in general try to deny the whole "race doesn't play a part in how my views towards people", it does play a part in how they view people. i don't see the point in lying when people basically admit it through what they post, what they think, and etc.

but as for the original question, you already know what would happen. come on, the thing wouldn't even be on the news. the news let alone the american public doesn't give a fuck about black people only when a black person does something wrong let alone a black lgbt person. it wouldn't even be on the news. let alone, there wouldn't even be any controversy where gay right activists are screaming "gay bullying" and ravi would have gotten away with it. it wouldn't even be investigated by the police and if it was investigated by the police, they wouldn't put their time and effort into putting two and two together. sad isn't it but america is still fucked up where white lives matter more than black lives, yellow lives, brown lives, and nonwhite lives.

before anybody disputes what i put up, i know this for a fact because there was actually a murder in my township about 2 years ago where a transgendered woman was gunned down by a guy. the murder suspect and the victim were both black. this also happened in the state of new jersey just like the whole clementi/ravi case. where were the gay rights activists, the gay blogs crying foul and etc? it was completely ignored. the murderer went to trial and was found not guilty as well. would there have been a different outcome if the media or gay rights groups got involved? i know nobody here heard about it.
 
refujiunderground said:
:rotflmao: you already know. as much as people in here and in general try to deny the whole "race doesn't play a part in how my views towards people", it does play a part in how they view people. i don't see the point in lying when people basically admit it through what they post, what they think, and etc.

but as for the original question, you already know what would happen. come on, the thing wouldn't even be on the news. the news let alone the american public doesn't give a fuck about black people only when a black person does something wrong let alone a black lgbt person. it wouldn't even be on the news. let alone, there wouldn't even be any controversy where gay right activists are screaming "gay bullying" and ravi would have gotten away with it. it wouldn't even be investigated by the police and if it was investigated by the police, they wouldn't put their time and effort into putting two and two together. sad isn't it but america is still fucked up where white lives matter more than black lives, yellow lives, brown lives, and nonwhite lives.

before anybody disputes what i put up, i know this for a fact because there was actually a murder in my township about 2 years ago where a transgendered woman was gunned down by a guy. the murder suspect and the victim were both black. this also happened in the state of new jersey just like the whole clementi/ravi case. where were the gay rights activists, the gay blogs crying foul and etc? it was completely ignored. the murderer went to trial and was found not guilty as well. would there have been a different outcome if the media or gay rights groups got involved? i know nobody here heard about it.
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I don't think that you can compare this to the clementi story - at least not here. It's not that it isn't just as bad - i don't know.

But clementi was a poster on JUB, for one - so many people here had a connection to him. He had discussed the actual incident when he was still alive - adding intrigue to the case. And when his suicide happened, many people here felt heartsick about it - like it was someone they had known - and perhaps could have saved - if somehow they had done something. That personalized it all.

Unfortunately, murders are commonplace enough in New Jersey and any big city that it isn't big news. If a murder takes place in an area that does not have any murders, then it is big news.

The Rutgers case was unique - and i don't think that race played a role in it.
 
shainski said:
I don't think that you can compare this to the clementi story - at least not here. It's not that it isn't just as bad - i don't know.

But clementi was a poster on JustUsBoys, for one - so many people here had a connection to him. He had discussed the actual incident when he was still alive - adding intrigue to the case. And when his suicide happened, many people here felt heartsick about it - like it was someone they had known - and perhaps could have saved - if somehow they had done something. That personalized it all.

Unfortunately, murders are commonplace enough in New Jersey and any big city that it isn't big news. If a murder takes place in an area that does not have any murders, then it is big news.

The Rutgers case was unique - and i don't think that race played a role in it.
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i see what you're saying but the murder i'm talking about happened in a suburb that has 1 murder like every 3 years. very rarely we have two or even three. when a murder happens here, it makes the local news. the crime in the clementi case was harassment because of his sexual orientation which may have led to him committing suicide. the exact reasons behind him committing suicide is unknown though even though it's believed that him being harrassed by his roommate may have been the triggering cause for it. the case in my town was an intentional murder by a man with a criminal record that gunned down a woman who happened to be transgendered in her cousins' house. the tyler clementi case happened to involve a white guy that happened to be the victim of harassment. the murder case i'm talking about happened to involve a black woman as the victim.

had tyler clementi been a black guy, this probably wouldn't have made the news. had the woman that been gunned down been white, it would have made the news especially when it happened in a suburban community. that's what gets me. just like how that attack in maryland last year where there was a transgendered white woman that was beaten down by two black women made the national news and had all the gay activists outthere protesting. you mean to tell me that a black woman that got killed because she was a transgendered just didn't generate on the radar BUT some transgendered white woman getting beat down at a mcdonalds did? what makes it even worse is that the guy that killed the woman got off with the murder charge is free to roam the streets to possibly hurt somebody else. just saying.

let's be real here though. do you think people would have paid the tyler clementi case especially gay rights activists groups had he been black? i honestly don't think they would have. actually, i rarely see gay right activists groups come to the aid of nonwhites for some reason especially in situations involving hate crimes. why is that? i know i'm not bugging out. why is it that there are more concern for white lgbt persons when they're victims in hate crimes where the incidents are highly publicized than nonwhite lgbt persons where it's barely talked about if at all? that's fucked up.
 
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