U.S. flag causes racial tension - cannot fly it in USA

[BostonPirate]

why else would i ask ?

you appear to think gridlock is something new in the USA

well the first and most important was FDR's presidency.

They created social security, the new deal projects, that still serve our country today, the congress actually declared war FOR REAL, not just letting the president blow stuff up without their say, the Rish agreed to pay 90 percent of their income to get the country out of the hole and america rose up to the very VERY productive 50's when everyone had a car and a house.

and that was after 1860

 

[BostonPirate]

BP, last time

you said "who gives a good fuck about the flag if the nation is in gridlock?"

gridlock isnt new , we can agree , right?

so in the 1860s (many other times in history) USA was in gridlock to the nth degree.

accordingly you think patriotism should have been thrown away (Flag Waving) during the Civil war

I disagree

dont get cute with me, champ.

last time? what a jerk off comment that is.

You asked when since 1860 has the congress not been in gridlock. I supplied an answer. I am sure its not the one you wanted, so lets dispense with the pretense.

you just tell me what you want me to say and we can move on.

If you can't stand other people having opinions then back off my ass and go fly fishing.

 

[Lefty]

And not one person has ripped me a new ass yet....WOW.....

lets try again.....

Moronic statements about dissing the Symbol of the Vitality and Hopes

of a group because of a GRIDLOCK is as fucking STUPID as dumping or

throwing out your Cadillac and thumbing rides because it hit a nail and

has a flat.

America....mix it up, fix it up just KEEP it up.

 

[BostonPirate]

and when was this 'experiment' not in gridlock?

why else would i ask ?

you appear to think gridlock is something new in the USA

well the first and most important was FDR's presidency.

They created social security, the new deal projects, that still serve our country today, the congress actually declared war FOR REAL, not just letting the president blow stuff up without their say, the Rish agreed to pay 90 percent of their income to get the country out of the hole and america rose up to the very VERY productive 50's when everyone had a car and a house.

and that was after 1860

BP, last time

you said "who gives a good fuck about the flag if the nation is in gridlock?"

gridlock isnt new , we can agree , right?

so in the 1860s (many other times in history) USA was in gridlock to the nth degree.

accordingly you think patriotism should have been thrown away (Flag Waving) during the Civil war

I disagree

dont get cute with me, champ.

last time? what a jerk off comment that is.

You asked when since 1860 has the congress not been in gridlock. I supplied an answer. I am sure its not the one you wanted, so lets dispense with the pretense.

you just tell me what you want me to say and we can move on.

If you can't stand other people having opinions then back off my ass and go fly fishing.

nope , never asked that

you either miss read or knocked down a 'Straw Man'

Either you cant read, write or reason, one of the three.

 

[bankside]

well the first and most important was FDR's presidency.

They created social security, the new deal projects, that still serve our country today, the congress actually declared war FOR REAL, not just letting the president blow stuff up without their say, the Rish agreed to pay 90 percent of their income to get the country out of the hole and america rose up to the very VERY productive 50's when everyone had a car and a house.

and that was after 1860

I'd like to point out something critical there:

Wealthy people in that time did not say "Oh, I guess I'll do without. Here, government, have my money and give it away, or burn it, or send it to Uranus or whatever it is you people do with it."

They wanted to invest in the country. They wanted to live in a better country, and they wanted to make it happen.

The equivalent wealthy people today seem far more concerned with living inside a bubble of maximal personal disposable income than providing leadership and development to their communities.

They'd rather drive past a dumpy library in a Mercedes / McLaren SLR. Two generations ago, they'd rather have made do with a Cadillac as they drove past a library built with their taxes, and expanded with their names over the door on account of their donations.

Not without exception - Bill Gates comes to mind - but it does seem to be a trend.

 

[BostonPirate]

I'd like to point out something critical there:

Wealthy people in that time did not say "Oh, I guess I'll do without. Here, government, have my money and give it away, or burn it, or send it to Uranus or whatever it is you people do with it."

They wanted to invest in the country. They wanted to live in a better country, and they wanted to make it happen.

The equivalent wealthy people today seem far more concerned with living inside a bubble of maximal personal disposable income than providing leadership and development to their communities.

They'd rather drive past a dumpy library in a Mercedes / McLaren SLR. Two generations ago, they'd rather have made do with a Cadillac as they drove past a library built with their taxes, and expanded with their names over the door on account of their donations.

Not without exception - Bill Gates comes to mind - but it does seem to be a trend.

now they use shadow orgs to buy elections via the supreme court to assure they get even more money from a broken economy.

democracy republican style.

aint it grand?

 

[Kulindahr]

Being that Canada is English and French, and le Cinque de mai represents a French military loss against the Mexicans, it's difficult for me to enjoy this "Cinco de mayo" thing....I'd like to suggest celebrating "Diez de abril" instead.

That of course refers to the French army defeating Mexico and the day on which Emperor Maximilian, chosen by the French, began his rule.

Sounds good to me. That should make the multiculturalists happy; we don't really celebrate any French successes in North America.

well the first and most important was FDR's presidency.

They created social security, the new deal projects, that still serve our country today, the congress actually declared war FOR REAL, not just letting the president blow stuff up without their say, the Rish agreed to pay 90 percent of their income to get the country out of the hole and america rose up to the very VERY productive 50's when everyone had a car and a house.

and that was after 1860

You forgot some of FDR's greatest accomplishments:

politicizing the Supreme Court
ignoring the Constitution by the executive branch
introduction of massive, intrusive government as a feature of the national make-up


But we could do worse than emulate the 90+% tax to get the country back on its feet.

 

[Kulindahr]

And not one person has ripped me a new ass yet....WOW.....

lets try again.....

Moronic statements about dissing the Symbol of the Vitality and Hopes

of a group because of a GRIDLOCK is as fucking STUPID as dumping or

throwing out your Cadillac and thumbing rides because it hit a nail and

has a flat.

America....mix it up, fix it up just KEEP it up.

I'd like to point out something critical there:

Wealthy people in that time did not say "Oh, I guess I'll do without. Here, government, have my money and give it away, or burn it, or send it to Uranus or whatever it is you people do with it."

They wanted to invest in the country. They wanted to live in a better country, and they wanted to make it happen.

The equivalent wealthy people today seem far more concerned with living inside a bubble of maximal personal disposable income than providing leadership and development to their communities.

They'd rather drive past a dumpy library in a Mercedes / McLaren SLR. Two generations ago, they'd rather have made do with a Cadillac as they drove past a library built with their taxes, and expanded with their names over the door on account of their donations.

Not without exception - Bill Gates comes to mind - but it does seem to be a trend.

One of my favorite Bill Gates stories came from an official of the city of Seattle when I was up there once and biking.
According to him, Gates was quite the cyclist, taking family and friends out regularly. He got tired of the complaints about the condition of the city's bike paths, along with being tired of the conditions of the paths themselves. So he went to the city with a map of the bike path system, with all the routes he and friends used, and basically said, These suck -- re-do them so they don't buckle, don't crumble, and have enough room cyclists side-by-side and pass other cyclists side-by-side with room for joggers. Just send me the bill.
A friend who worked at Microsoft said Gates later paid for bike paths through the area so Microsoft employees could pedal to work -- not only environmentally friendlier, but not infrequently faster than driving.

 

[Kulindahr]

Hmm...the middle and high schools in our area hang many, many large flags from several different countries in the cafeteria area. I'd guess that there are at least 100...

Each class has an American flag at the front in addition to the large one on the flag poles. I am in the South, though.

That's a different matter. In fact it would be a kool idea to have students track their heritages and put up flags from all those places -- even more fun if they were flags from those countries from the times the ancestors came over.

My contribution would be English, Swiss, and Scot flags.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kulindahr, before FDR, the nation was regularly wracked with economic depressions. Never more than 20 years would pass before another one would hit.

I don't think even Libertarian you would really like to see a return to that.

However, I believe we need to see a return to 70-90% marginal tax rates. My OH says that hardly anybody had to pay that, though, because they got enormous tax credits for investing in the economy.

And that's the rub: the rich were forced to reinvest in the economy. It was a system that served our nation very well for 30 or 40 years.

I could go with a system where there were big credits for not just investing in production facilities here, but in ways to get costs down so people don't have to go to Walmart and buy crap imported merchandise that hardly lasts a year.

I'd also give credits for work on getting a space elevator in place, in this hemisphere. We don't quite have the technology yet, but we're getting closer rapidly, and materials with the requisite strengths have been shown to be possible. But it's known what would have to be done for a ground station for such a thing, and a search should be underway to find a geologically suitable spot. Of course that will also take some serious diplomacy, since the equator passes through just three countries in this hemisphere -- and when the technology is available, Brazil will certainly build one if we don't.
Economically, the resources we need are out in the Solar System, because we're depleting them here. Because of that, economically, whoever owns the first space elevator will effectively own the world, since they'll own the Solar System.

 

[BostonPirate]

a space elevator only exists in the minds of sci fi novelists. There are no natural or man made materials that can withstand the centrifugal forces the spin of the planet creates. None even close to it. we would basically need flexible diamonds.

I thought it was a really cool idea and looked into it for investments. the technology is very far away.

I went with wind tech.

 

[Kulindahr]

a space elevator only exists in the minds of sci fi novelists. There are no natural or man made materials that can withstand the centrifugal forces the spin of the planet creates. None even close to it. we would basically need flexible diamonds.

I thought it was a really cool idea and looked into it for investments. the technology is very far away.

I went with wind tech.

The spin isn't the problem, the problem is the self-length of the material.

And two different publications I read on occasion have reported that investors have already pooled eleven billion for building one.

 

[palemale]

juvenile response

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

What's your point? You didn't realize we stole the southwest from Mexico?

 

[palemale]

I agree.
C

Quite a few people justify modern-day criminal activity by pointing to the criminal activity of somebody else. It's like saying"Why are you giving me a ticket for speeding, when there're a lot of murderers and rapists walking around?"

Who is justifying modern-day criminal activity? I'm not aware of any criminal activity mention in this thread (except America's theft of Mexican territory). Who is justifying criminal activity?

 

[Kulindahr]

An honest evaluation of the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo reveals the transfer of territory to have been more on the order of a purchase.

The real disgrace of it was when the Senate deleted the provision that Mexican land grants in the transferred territory would be honored.

 

[BostonPirate]

The spin isn't the problem, the problem is the self-length of the material.

And two different publications I read on occasion have reported that investors have already pooled eleven billion for building one.

its a stinker of an investment

thats a money pit that I wont throw into.

and yes.. I think the problem is that there MAY be materials strong enough BUT they would have to be woven as one piece and at that length its just not going to happen. The materials alone would be unavailable and valued beyond comprehension.

I dont know how we got so far off the topic...lol

well I can say this

It would improve race relations because it would be a global project.... HA!!!

thats what they said about the space station

 

[Seasoned]

I, for one, am not going to get excited over a piece of cloth that represents a country that does not grant me full rights because of my sexual orientation. If waving a flag is used provocatively the flag in question ought not be waved. Shall folks bring the Confederate flag to a Martin Luther King celebration? This "go back where you came from" crap ought to cease, otherwise the bulk of us would be on boats going back somewhere.

Isn't funny that when the Left protests they are told to leave the country by the Right, but the opposite doesn't hold true? The Left didn't tell the tea party to pack up and leave. The Left believes in debate and dissent whereas the Right would like to take over and crush dissent all the while waving the flag. The Left protects our freedom.

 

[JayHawk]

Sore knees i dunno what threads you have been reading but starting with Alfie and followed on by Molten Rock and a few other left wing slobbering mongrels are the ONLY people suggesting that the opposite view pack up and move away from the good 'ole USA.

I always thought it was juvenile BUT it is a fact around here.

You can fully embrace the left all you want but dont be fooled into believing the right are the only ones with knives out. That is just naive.

 

[Seasoned]

Sore knees i dunno what threads you have been reading but starting with Alfie and followed on by Molten Rock and a few other left wing slobbering mongrels are the ONLY people suggesting that the opposite view pack up and move away from the good 'ole USA.

I always thought it was juvenile BUT it is a fact around here.

You can fully embrace the left all you want but dont be fooled into believing the right are the only ones with knives out. That is just naive.

I'm not saying that the Left doesn't want to win their battles, but even a cursory reading of US history since FDR will show that Democrats are more willing than Republicans to compromise.

Modern day Republicans shout lower takes, more freedom and in the end deliver neither. They strike me as rural moonshiners but with a bigger arsonal which leads to foreign bullying.

 

[SuperPsyze]

Meh, just sounds like another case of "Our kids don't have rights (until they make national headlines)".