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US Withdrawal from Afghanistan

Re: Australian soldier said ...

This is women in Afghanistan before the CIA backed war against Afghanistan.
The US has alot to answer for when it destroyed Afghanistan during the soviets.

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Lots of women, children, and minorities like LGBTQ Afghans will suffer and die. It looks like there was lots of corruption. On paper the Afghan Army had 300,000 troops and obviously that was a lie and many were probably "ghost soldiers". Technocrat/Academic leadership instead of Executives were in charge of the top of the country.

Let me take you back to Sep 11, Bin Laden attacked the Twin Towers and we invaded to destroy him. Afghanistan was in a Civil War at the time between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance (which did invite us in). Turns out Pakistan allowed Bin Laden to escape and sheltered him (with no consequences). Then Pakistan kept back stabbing us along with Russia and backed the Taliban the whole time.
 
voltronforce said:
Lots of women, children, and minorities like LGBTQ Afghans will suffer and die. It looks like there was lots of corruption. On paper the Afghan Army had 300,000 troops and obviously that was a lie and many were probably "ghost soldiers". Technocrat/Academic leadership instead of Executives were in charge of the top of the country.

Let me take you back to Sep 11, Bin Laden attacked the Twin Towers and we invaded to destroy him. Afghanistan was in a Civil War at the time between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance (which did invite us in). Turns out Pakistan allowed Bin Laden to escape and sheltered him (with no consequences). Then Pakistan kept back stabbing us along with Russia and backed the Taliban the whole time.
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If true and proven, isn't it called ''pay back''?
Also pay back for the broken promise by the US to Russia saying ''NATO will not expand'' was a lie.
 
Re: Australian soldier said ...

Telstra said:
This is women in Afghanistan before the CIA backed war against Afghanistan.
The US has alot to answer for when it destroyed Afghanistan during the soviets.

548x331_afghan_women_1970s_via_twitter.jpg
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Get your history straight. The Taliban began as an opposition to the Russians after the Russians invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The US did provide support to the opposition forces in the never-ending American-Russian proxy war. Part of the opposition were religious fighters and those fighters became the Taliban.

The pictures are from the cities back in the 70s before the Russian invasion.. The rural areas were always rather backwards. The "burka-ization" of women in the cities started after the Afghan civil war in the mid-90s. All of that was Afghans- neither the US nor Russia played a part. Pakistan fundamentalists were the primary supporters of the Taliban, with underwriting from Pakistan's Wahabbist funders.

There's even a YouTube video!
 
Biden should have made sure that we got ALL of those Afghans who did give enough of a shit to help us. Unfortunately for everyone, especially the Afghans, because there is so much corruption and little will to do the hard work of running a functioning government with functioning institutions, there was no way that this was going to end well. But the logistics of a collapse within days when even those dubious of the Afghan government thought maybe they could hold on for a few weeks, without getting those out who actually were naive enough to think they could be doing something good for their country, when so many Afghans don't even subscribe to anything other than their ethnic region/tribe... Biden will not be remembered well in history for this. We should have burned all the poppy fields on the way out, made the Taliban know that even if they had the country, they would get NO resources to build their "emirate" on. The Biden administration was right to have us leave, but he executed the withdrawal terribly and will leave thousands of Afghans who aided the US up a creek exposed and probably slaughtered. And fuck anyone on the GOP side who doesn't acknowledge Trump's part in strengthening the Taliban hand by releasing thousands of Taliban prisoners, including the incoming Taliban leader of Afghanistan and conducted negotiations that gave the Taliban a huge boost. And Trump was actually going to meet with the Taliban at Camp David... he had to be convinced otherwise, but not for lack of trying.
 
From the moment that Trump announced the withdrawal, freed 5000 Talibani and drew down the US troops to a few thousand, the end result was inevitable, no mater how the US left.

An army and government that puts up no opposition to the Taliban proves what a waste 20 years of training and pouring a couple of trillion dollars into Afghanistan has been.

Time to leave this god forsaken collection of tribal warlords to the Russians, Pakistan, Iran and the Sauds to squabble over.

Afghanistan isn't called 'The Graveyard of Empires' for nothing.
 
Afghanistan is a hell hole. Always has been and always will be. The western powers could not remain there indefinitely and the country was clearly going to descend into chaos and medieval barbarism as soon as they left. The lives and the money the last 20 years have cost have all sadly been like pissing in the wind.
 
rareboy said:
From the moment that Trump announced the withdrawal, freed 5000 Talibani and drew down the US troops to a few thousand, the end result was inevitable, no mater how the US left.

An army and government that puts up no opposition to the Taliban proves what a waste 20 years of training and pouring a couple of trillion dollars into Afghanistan has been.

Time to leave this god forsaken collection of tribal warlords to the Russians, Pakistan, Iran and the Sauds to squabble over.

Afghanistan isn't called 'The Graveyard of Empires' for nothing.
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Saigon II was not inevitable. Troops were being withdrawn weeks ago before US and Afghan civilians were able to leave.
This is on Biden.
 
Re: Australian soldier said ...

cityboy-stl said:
Nope. Afghanistan defeated itself. The U.S. poured 2000 lives, $2 Trillion dollars,
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Damn, imagine US pouring that money into it's citizens that need to money to improve their material conditions and not for their endless imperialist capital goals. What a shit hole fucking Country we are.
 
Sausy said:
...The Biden administration was right to have us leave, but he executed the withdrawal terribly and will leave thousands of Afghans who aided the US up a creek exposed and probably slaughtered. And fuck anyone on the GOP side who doesn't acknowledge Trump's part in strengthening the Taliban hand by releasing thousands of Taliban prisoners, including the incoming Taliban leader of Afghanistan and conducted negotiations that gave the Taliban a huge boost. And Trump was actually going to meet with the Taliban at Camp David... he had to be convinced otherwise, but not for lack of trying.
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It will be interesting to see if the American public cares.

It seems that the Washington Press Corps are hand-wringing and the RNC is having the vapors. I'm not sure the American public cares. Unless they had a family member who served in Afghanistan (and most don't), they couldn't point out Afghanistan on a map, even though we've been there for 20 years now.

I have a hunch that most Americans are looking at the coverage of a bunch of strangely dressed brown people in a god-forsaken country and they're thinking to themselves, "Thank god we're getting out of that place".

And then they're returning back to Facebook to get the latest on The Bachelorette or to find out what happened on Housewives of New York.
 
Re: Australian soldier said ...

ClubLevelVegan said:
Damn, imagine US pouring that money into it's citizens that need to money to improve their material conditions and not for their endless imperialist capital goals. What a shit hole fucking Country we are.
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But Halliburton and the rest of the military industrial complex wouldn't have raked in the money they did.

It is one of the reasons that the American age will end with a whimper and not with a bang.
 
China is the adult,
lets see if the US play ball and help Afghanistan to become peaceful or further destabilize the region like in the Soviets time.

 
This expert said the US might setup terrorist groups in Afghanistan to attack China and Russia
and said ''look we didn't do it, we already left Afghanistan ...''

 
your "expert" seems a bit underqualified, Telly :lol:

https://newatlas.report/2020/10/29/who-is-tony-cartalucci/

I joined the US Marine Corps at the age of 17 just days after graduating high school.

As a United States Marine, I worked as an Electro-Optical Ordnance Repairman, a highly technical speciality that involved work on armored vehicle fire control systems, thermal and passive night optics, the TOW and Javelin anti-tank missile systems, and virtually any other ground-based weapon system that utilized either electronics or optics.

I spent most of my time in Japan working in armories which required security clearances. I never deployed to a combat zone. Had I deployed to a combat zone, my speciality would have prevented me from ever being on the battlefield because of the critical and specialized nature of my work.
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Telstra said:
This expert said the US might setup terrorist groups in Afghanistan to attack China and Russia
and said ''look we didn't do it, we already left Afghanistan ...''

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This wouldn't surprise me and shouldn't anyone. US Imperialism will need a new target and they're definitely drumming up their choices. We'll find ourselves in another needless violent situation once again.
 
April 30, 1975 - the fall of Saigon.

But the fall of Afghanistan is far worse in my opinion. After 20 years all the United States was able to accomplish was lying to our NATO allies.
 
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