US Withdrawal from Afghanistan

[Telstra]

if you copy and simply change the name of the country, alarm bells would go off everywhere:

''The Office of Foreign Assets Control ("OFAC") of the [STRIKE]US[/STRIKE] China Department of the Treasury administers and enforces economic and trade sanctions based on [STRIKE]US[/STRIKE] china foreign policy and national security goals against targeted foreign countries and regimes, terrorists, international narcotics traffickers, those engaged in activities related to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and other threats to the national security, foreign policy or economy of [STRIKE]the United​ States[/STRIKE] china.''

https://home.treasury.gov/policy-is...ts-control-sanctions-programs-and-information

 

[TX-Beau]

Cannot get money out from your bank is not normal. No wonder some countries are planning to dump US dollars.
They will dump slowly slowly spread out to many years to avoid chaos.

Are you saying that the US and it's allies emptied the bank accounts of everyone in Afghanistan?

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if you copy and simply change the name of the country, alarm bells would go off everywhere:

''The Office of Foreign Assets Control ("OFAC") of the [STRIKE]US[/STRIKE] China Department of the Treasury administers and enforces economic and trade sanctions based on [STRIKE]US[/STRIKE] china foreign policy and national security goals against targeted foreign countries and regimes, terrorists, international narcotics traffickers, those engaged in activities related to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and other threats to the national security, foreign policy or economy of [STRIKE]the United​ States[/STRIKE] china.''

https://home.treasury.gov/policy-is...ts-control-sanctions-programs-and-information

This is puerile.

 

[TX-Beau]

Turns out the great majority of people in Afghanistan don't have bank accounts and never did. Opi covered the nature of the frozen assets, and the economy of Afghanistan is overwhelmingly cash and barter based. The small percentage who did have bank accounts made a run on the banks for cash - greatly devalued Afghani currency that is not the dollar. PRIVATE companies that provide cash wire services (generally cash was picked up at a bank after being sent by someone not in Afghanistan) stopped, which has nothing to do with the Biden admin and everything to do with the Taliban - which is the only thing I could find that even remotely resembles whatever that accusation was that you tried to make.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...aces-even-greater-financial-disaster-n1277032

 

[TX-Beau]

Cannot get money out from your bank is not normal. No wonder some countries are planning to dump US dollars.
They will dump slowly slowly spread out to many years to avoid chaos.

Are you saying that the US and it's allies emptied the bank accounts of everyone in Afghanistan? or is this just yet more nebulous accusation?

 

[rareboy]

if you copy and simply change the name of the country, alarm bells would go off everywhere:

''The Office of Foreign Assets Control ("OFAC") of the [STRIKE]US[/STRIKE] China Department of the Treasury administers and enforces economic and trade sanctions based on [STRIKE]US[/STRIKE] china foreign policy and national security goals against targeted foreign countries and regimes, terrorists, international narcotics traffickers, those engaged in activities related to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and other threats to the national security, foreign policy or economy of [STRIKE]the United​ States[/STRIKE] china.''

https://home.treasury.gov/policy-is...ts-control-sanctions-programs-and-information

Why is this a problem?

Are you saying that the US and other western countries (or even China) should be supporting foreign countries and regimes, terrorists, international narcotics traffickers, those engaged in activities related to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and other threats to the national security, foreign policy or economy of their countries?

You seem to totally want to overlook the fact that the Talibani are drug running thugs who took over the country by bribery, bloodshed and forceful occupation.

What you are promoting would be pretty much the same as if people with guns took over your house, seized it as their own, beat the shit out of you, (or worse) locked you in a closet and then demanded your bank send them all your money so that they could buy more weapons to support their drug smuggling operations.

For 20 years, the World Bank, the IMF, the US and other western countries have poured billions into this shithole in order to bribe the entire country to behave and not provide a safe haven to train terrorists to attack other countries.

I don't know what the Taliban expect when they take over a country. That the west would simply continue to pour more money into Afghanistan to support their destructive heroin industry? To finance their apparent hatred and suppression of women? The murder of LGBT Afghanis? The destruction of secular education? A return to medieval fundamentalism?

We have yet to hear anything that resembles a real plan for how the Taliban will organize and operate a government, although they have apparently indicated it will not include women. Until they provide some indication that they can and will create a functional state no country is going to be rushing to recognize them. The last time they more or less 'governed' between 1996 and 2001, only Pakistan, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia recognized the Taliban state. Even those countries aren't rushing to immediately recognize the Talibani this time.

There is apparently about 3 trillion dollars in minerals in Afghanistan that China has its eyes on. Let them make the deal with the hard-line Islamists since everyone has failed. Maybe they can keep them in line.

 

[Telstra]

Why is this a problem?

Are you saying that the US and other western countries (or even China) should be supporting foreign countries and regimes, terrorists, international narcotics traffickers, those engaged in activities related to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and other threats to the national security, foreign policy or economy of their countries?

You seem to totally want to overlook the fact that the Talibani are drug running thugs who took over the country by bribery, bloodshed and forceful occupation.

What you are promoting would be pretty much the same as if people with guns took over your house, seized it as their own, beat the shit out of you, (or worse) locked you in a closet and then demanded your bank send them all your money so that they could buy more weapons to support their drug smuggling operations.

For 20 years, the World Bank, the IMF, the US and other western countries have poured billions into this shithole in order to bribe the entire country to behave and not provide a safe haven to train terrorists to attack other countries.

I don't know what the Taliban expect when they take over a country. That the west would simply continue to pour more money into Afghanistan to support their destructive heroin industry? To finance their apparent hatred and suppression of women? The murder of LGBT Afghanis? The destruction of secular education? A return to medieval fundamentalism?

We have yet to hear anything that resembles a real plan for how the Taliban will organize and operate a government, although they have apparently indicated it will not include women. Until they provide some indication that they can and will create a functional state no country is going to be rushing to recognize them. The last time they more or less 'governed' between 1996 and 2001, only Pakistan, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia recognized the Taliban state. Even those countries aren't rushing to immediately recognize the Talibani this time.

There is apparently about 3 trillion dollars in minerals in Afghanistan that China has its eyes on. Let them make the deal with the hard-line Islamists since everyone has failed. Maybe they can keep them in line.

So much negativity about Afghanistan and the Taliban.
Give them and fresh start and see what happen next. If you start with sanctions, they have no where to go but to turn inwards like Mao or Pol pot or ... etc.

 

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Give them and fresh start and see what happen next. If you start with sanctions, …

Sanctions against the Taliban started a long time ago. They are not new. US Secretary of State Blinken has made clear that any decision to consider lifting those sanctions will be based entirely on the Taliban’s behavior going forward and will include a requirement to uphold the basic rights of its people, including women and girls. Therein lies the opportunity for a fresh start.

The government budget of Afghanistan has heretofore depended on foreign donations for about 80 percent of its GDP – mostly from the United States. It is not unreasonable for donor nations to demand basic human rights as a condition for their contributions.

In addition, Afghanistan’s Vice President Amrullah Saleh has asserted that provisions in the Afghani constitution stipulate that he is the legitimate caretaker president – not the Taliban.

 

[rareboy]

So much negativity about Afghanistan and the Taliban.
Give them and fresh start and see what happen next. If you start with sanctions, they have no where to go but to turn inwards like Mao or Pol pot or ... etc.

Seriously? These fuckers would throw you off the roof of a building for sucking cock and you think they deserve a fresh start?

I know you think that the US and western countries are the Big Satan, but give me a break here.

These guys are bad actors, through and through. Many of them are literally gangsters. And the rest adhere to a harsh, radical Islamic fundamentalism.

When they PROVE through actions that they can run a country and respect fundamental civil rights, then maybe they can join that group of failed states that we all have to put up with because of Realpolitick...but at this point they are nothing more or less than a gang that couldn't run the country when they had control of it before.

 

[Telstra]

Seriously? These fuckers would throw you off the roof of a building for sucking cock and you think they deserve a fresh start?

I know you think that the US and western countries are the Big Satan, but give me a break here.

These guys are bad actors, through and through. Many of them are literally gangsters. And the rest adhere to a harsh, radical Islamic fundamentalism.

When they PROVE through actions that they can run a country and respect fundamental civil rights, then maybe they can join that group of failed states that we all have to put up with because of Realpolitick...but at this point they are nothing more or less than a gang that couldn't run the country when they had control of it before.

So you decided to not give them a fresh start and started with sanctions.
If that is the case, they have nowhere to go but to turn inwards and hit where the west hold dear such as human rights, and the people who loves cocks but oppose their rights to rule, they would hit them harder i suppose.

 

[TX-Beau]

The Taliban isn't in control of the Taliban, they never ran a state. Some people are talking about them like they have some history of being a ruling body, they don't. They have a history of violent terrorism and oppression, though I suppose if one finds that admirable elsewhere that person might find it just fine in Afghanistan.

Thank god the Biden admin stopped paying. I don't want one more penny of my money going to Afghanistan - certainty not to people who rape women and call it marriage and behead anyone like me.

As for the Taliban getting a fresh start.

Right.

 

[Telstra]

Sanctions against the Taliban started a long time ago. They are not new. US Secretary of State Blinken has made clear that any decision to consider lifting those sanctions will be based entirely on the Taliban’s behavior going forward and will include a requirement to uphold the basic rights of its people, including women and girls. Therein lies the opportunity for a fresh start.

The government budget of Afghanistan has heretofore depended on foreign donations for about 80 percent of its GDP – mostly from the United States. It is not unreasonable for donor nations to demand basic human rights as a condition for their contributions.

In addition, Afghanistan’s Vice President Amrullah Saleh has asserted that provisions in the Afghani constitution stipulate that he is the legitimate caretaker president – not the Taliban.

When the US was fully withdrew, i assumed the fresh start there.
Any other strings attached are just politics. The west has used ''human rights'' as a political tool and they don't believe 1 single word the west say.

 

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[rareboy]

So unsurprisingly, after funding them and playing the long game, China is the 'winner' in the superpowers' struggle for supremacy in Afghanistan as widely anticipated.

China will be the Taliban’s “main partner” and help rebuild Afghanistan, according to a spokesman for the group.

“China will be our main partner and represents a great opportunity for us because it is ready to invest in our country and support reconstruction efforts,” Zabihullah Mujahid said in an interview published by Italian newspaper La Repubblica on Wednesday.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/china-will-be-our-main-partner-say-taliban

Russia will also apparently be their good pals.

Since neither of those countries is fussy about human rights or dealing with thugocracies, the billions should start pouring in. It will be fun thought to see Russia and China try to outmanoeuvre one another in bribing the Talibani.

 

[smokeshadow]

Dame Lindsey claims the U. S. military will be going back into Afghanistan

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...9-into-afghanistan/ar-AAObAEN?ocid=uxbndlbing

 

[rareboy]

Dame Lindsey claims the U. S. military will be going back into Afghanistan

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...9-into-afghanistan/ar-AAObAEN?ocid=uxbndlbing

Not with China taking over it won't be.

 

[Telstra]

So unsurprisingly, after funding them and playing the long game, China is the 'winner' in the superpowers' struggle for supremacy in Afghanistan as widely anticipated.



https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/china-will-be-our-main-partner-say-taliban

Russia will also apparently be their good pals.

Since neither of those countries is fussy about human rights or dealing with thugocracies, the billions should start pouring in. It will be fun thought to see Russia and China try to outmanoeuvre one another in bribing the Talibani.

A ''win win'' strategy, there are no winners or losers, so why not? Isn't whats ''give and take'' is all about ?
Talking about ''human rights'', please start with the US best friend Saudi Arabia. If the west are not willing to start from there, there are no hope for fake/political human rights.

 

[rareboy]

Oh there are definitely losers here.

But let's sit back and enjoy China's interaction with the Graveyard of Empires.

 

[Telstra]

yea China won't help the Taliban if they host any terrorists especially from Xinjian.

 

[TX-Beau]

yea China won't help the Taliban if they host any terrorists especially from Xinjian.

Concentration camp China won't help terrorists, if the terrorists help people Xi tortures, but will help terrorists otherwise!

Very principled.