Va. Tech Shooting

[NickCole]

I don't think he means to imply all students should carry guns. But Jesus, campus security wasn't even armed.

I agree it makes no sense that campus security wasn't armed.

 

[texpatriot]

Yeah there's a bright idea.

Shootout at the OK Corral.

What you fools picture for America is very very sad.

One or more adult with bad aim would have made the situation worse.

Ask Pat Tillman's family about what happens when good people aim a gun badly.

I'm sorry. I get a little thick sometimes.

Would it be asking too much if you spell it out for me, like I'm a six year old, what your position is here?

Eliminate all guns, or strictly regulate who owns them, and where they can be carried?

 

[NickCole]

My answer if for people to have the right to decide that for themselves. Not for you to do it for them. My vision is one of freedom, yours is one of big brother.

I'm not deciding anything for anybody.

I'm saying that gun happy vigilantes carrying firearms under their jackets is not going to make college campuses safer places.

 

[NickCole]

I'm sorry. I get a little thick sometimes.

Would it be asking too much if you spell it out for me, like I'm a six year old, what your position is here?

Eliminate all guns, or strictly regulate who owns them, and where they can be carried?

Gun regulation is my position.

 

[jackoroe]

I'm not deciding anything for anybody.

I'm saying that gun happy vigilantes carrying firearms under their jackets is not going to make college campuses safer places.

I don't recall anybody suggesting that gun happy vigilantes carry guns. Perhaps you'd care to share any information to the contrary?

 

[texpatriot]

Gun regulation is my position.

Which means what?

Here in Texas gun regulation means certification from the state of Texas, which requires an 8 hour hand gun class, profeciecy in being able to show to an instructor that you can load and operate your hand gun, and registering your handgun with the State of Texas.

If you fail the written exam, or show that you cannot properly fire your weapon, or have a criminal background, etc. you do not receive a permit to carry your concealed handgun.

Is that the type of regulation that you're talking about?

 

[NickCole]

The BushRepublican controlled Congress let the Clinton era assault weapons ban expire in 2004.

With Democrats in control of Congress again there is a 2007 version, the Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act, that would renew the 1994 law.

Just FYI.

 

[jackoroe]

^Ahhhh.... it took 70 posts to blame Bush! I knew you had it in you, NickCole! by the way, there were no "assault weapons" used in this tragedy.

Just FYI.

 

[NickCole]

Which means what?

Here in Texas gun regulation means certification from the state of Texas, which requires an 8 hour hand gun class, profeciecy in being able to show to an instructor that you can load and operate your hand gun, and registering your handgun with the State of Texas.

If you fail the written exam, or show that you cannot properly fire your weapon, or have a criminal background, etc. you do not receive a permit to carry your concealed handgun.

Is that the type of regulation that you're talking about?

I'm sorry Tex, I'm really not interested in pretending to write gun regulation legislation here.

What happened yesterday happened because guns are easily available. It happened at an Amish school six months ago. It happened at Columbine eight years ago. And it will continue to happen unless changes are made. I do not believe the change that will fix this problem is arming more citizens.

 

[texpatriot]

The BushRepublican controlled Congress let the Clinton era assault weapons ban expire in 2004.

With Democrats in control of Congress again there is a 2007 version, the Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act, that would renew the 1994 law.

Just FYI.

I'm sorry, I'm a Democrat and I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Either once again, I'm either thick as a brick, I'm not used to Democrats being in charge of anything, or both.

Do you have any details about this Democratic legislation that you speak of?

 

[NickCole]

I'm sorry, I'm a Democrat and I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Either once again, I'm either thick as a brick, I'm not used to Democrats being in charge of anything, or both.

Do you have any details about this Democratic legislation that you speak of?

H.R. 1022: Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007

Sponsor:Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D-NY]show cosponsors (33)

Last Action:Feb 13, 2007: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

Full Text:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022

 

[jackoroe]

^ And assuming this bill was law, how would that have changed yesterdays tragedy? Is there a basis in fact or simply more gun grabbing antics by the left wing kooks?

 

[NickCole]

SWAT teams are great, but they don't do much good when they take time to assemble, come up with a plan, then implement it. Even the regular campus police, and they are police, were already on campus and they got there just about the time that the murderer had shot around 50 people. But the "nutty professor" as you so eloquently put it, should have the proper training. And, I hope you're not referring to Liviu Librescu, Engineering Professor at VA Tech, who blocked the door with his body while his students jumped out of the window. The Holocaust survivor was shot and killed. Yeah, I think that's the kind of professor I'd like to have carrying a gun, wherever the hell he wants to.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122137

I agree with you, mo.

Liviu Librescu, in my opinion, could carry a gun anywhere he wanted. But everybody is not like him and laws have to address the others.

Laws addressing thievery are not written to protect us from people who have the moral fiber to not steal.

 

[texpatriot]

H.R. 1022: Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007

Sponsor:Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D-NY]show cosponsors (33)

Last Action:Feb 13, 2007: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

Full Text:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022

Thank You!

A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007'.


SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

(a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a), subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922, and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.

I also appreciate the link to that website. I often read here about this bill or that bill, only to find out that there is not such bill is in existance, or that has been introduced.

Since it's just gone into committee it will be interesting, in light of recent events, how much traction that it gets. If any.

 

[Nishin]

We Americans love our guns, but we love killing each other even more.

We remain the only nation on Earth where killings like this happen regularly. The only nation on Earth.

For the next few days, we'll express our shock and horror at the fact that things like this happen. We'll debate whether or not we should regulate guns. Then we'll decide that gun control couldn't possibly help. and we'll suggest that maybe what we really need is a lot more guns, so that more people will be available to shoot other people when those first people decide that the second group of people deserves to be shot.

In a few days, we'll start to forget that 33 people just died for reasons we don't understand and are too afraid to investigate, for fear of what we might learn about ourselves.

Two years from now, it will all happen again. We'll express our shock that things like this happen here and only here and start a debate about gun control. Then we'll decide that gun control couldn't possibly work, and we'll suggest that maybe what we really need is a lot more guns...............

That's very sad... but sounds pretty damn accurate...

 

[texpatriot]

^ And assuming this bill was law, how would that have changed yesterdays tragedy? Is there a basis in fact or simply more gun grabbing antics by the left wing kooks?

I honestly expect a bunch of reactionary posturing from our so called "leaders" in Washinton.

 

[chance1]

^Ahhhh.... it took 70 posts to blame Bush! I knew you had it in you, NickCole! by the way, there were no "assault weapons" used in this tragedy.

Just FYI.

I hoped this might be one thread that wouldn't get political

forget that - so many want to use this to do their pro/anti gun schtick

not appropriate IMO - but I already said that - and I'm working on "not harping"

as for Nick and Bush's fault - some things are what they are - "it's Bush's fault" is the default for all things that don't go well

 

[JayHawk]

I know in Tennessee you must test and be permitted. I know the same is true for Ohio. I have no issue with training and state regulated permits. A car has been legally defined as a weapon. Maybe we should do the same type of regualted privilege granting that occurs for driving.

Point is one armed person could have stopped a lot of carnage

 

[Nishin]

I know in Tennessee you must test and be permitted. I know the same is true for Ohio. I have no issue with training and state regulated permits. A car has been legally defined as a weapon. Maybe we should do the same type of regualted privilege granting that occurs for driving.

Point is one armed person could have stopped a lot of carnage

That is, I think, where the difference in both conceptions lies:

- One armed person could (maybe) have stopped a lot of carnage.
- NO armed (unstable) person would (definitly) have meant the carnage didn't occur in the first place.

 

[JayHawk]

Ok so remove them or try to . The same logic that is applied to imigration exist here. How do you get the guns off the streets? You wouldn't. The end result would be less protected citizens.