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"Vaccine didn't work, never work .... "

^Unfortunately, the single untrustworthy piece of scam published as a paper in 1998, deceptively linked autism and vaccine (particularly MMR). That's the problem, the first spark that ignited the whole hullabaloo.

We, and a lot of people who educate themselves, know about this. A lot didn't. And the anti-vaxxers either know but purposely ignore it, or they wouldn't even care to educate themselves about it.
 
^ Indeed. And it's people like Telly who believes the guy spreads his lies without even checking him or his information out. Rumours, lies, and misinformation spread much faster than actual facts. I guess it's easier to believe than the truth.
 
Not many people know much about vaccines
so nothing wrong with asking "how come that doctor said vaccines doesn't work"
And everyone should bash that doctor if he is a scam.
 
I am proof that having autism isn’t a curse. I live on my own, I drive a car, I graduated from high school, I can do my own shopping, and I have a PA Emissions Inspector license. I need to adjust a few things to live as normally as I can. Most people don’t even realize that I am on the autistic spectrum at all. I’m an aspiring drag queen that has a goal of trying to make it onto Rupaul’s Drag Race and if I do I want to show everyone that autism isn’t some horrible curse to deal with and that you can have it and still be successful while telling the world that vaccines did not make me this way and I’m perfectly happy living with autism.
 
Telstra said:
Not many people know much about vaccines
so nothing wrong with asking "how come that doctor said vaccines doesn't work"
And everyone should bash that doctor if he is a scam.
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Actually a lot of people know a lot about vaccines.

Beginning with the earliest history of vaccinations against smallpox.

It isn't even rocket science.
 
Telstra said:
Not many people know much about vaccines
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Most people KNOW that vaccines work. They are living proof. Only idiots would believe that claptrap, and if you believe it, you might as well sign up for the Flat Earth Society or a snake-handling sect.
 
Autism is a serious theme we can talk about, but not in a vaccine thread as one has nothing to do with the other.

I believe I'm in a high functioning part of the autism spectrum, and I believe too that the spectrum is much larger than most people would think. There are children with very heavy autism that make their parents' life not an easy one, but they are capable of love as an other children. There are also bright children, whose parents just think they are very shy, who discover many years later that they are on the spectrum.

Argg I just made the thing I was writing should not be made in this thread ! Sorry !
 
gsdx said:
Most people KNOW that vaccines work. They are living proof. Only idiots would believe that claptrap, and if you believe it, you might as well sign up for the Flat Earth Society or a snake-handling sect.
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In USA and Europe, maybe. In many third-world countries, however, particularly the isolated rural areas or poor villages where people are largely untouched by media and education, a lot of people don't. And these people are the most vulnerable to miseducation and misleading such as anti-vaxxers.

I don't really know about the situation in any other countries with the majority of Muslim people, but in my homeland, anti-vaxxers are mostly Muslims, a fact that is closely related to the reasons why they reject vaccinating their children, in addition to the usual reasons. There has been some accusation that vaccines contain traces of porcine DNA and is therefore not halal. The doctors (particularly the Muslim doctors who are greatly concerned about this) have repeated clarified, that while some enzymes involved in the production of the vaccines may indeed be associated with porcine, 100% of them are removed (via electrophoresis), resulting in fully halal vaccines. But apparently stubbornness beats science. Sadly, some of the Muslim anti-vaxxers are religion leaders (imams, ulamas) and strongly impose their misled views to their followers, who blindly follow them - and guess what, a large portion of the blind followers have bare understanding on vaccines or don't even know what these things are.

Despite the strong implore from Saudia Arabia imams, that vaccines are lifesavers, and because of that are considered halal at any condition, and that all Muslims must have no doubt in vaccinating their children, many of the followers do not listen. Again, the combined power of stubbornness, lack of education, and lack of at least the basic knowledge of vaccines.
 
freefall said:
...I don't really know about the situation in any other countries with the majority of Muslim people, but in my homeland, anti-vaxxers are mostly Muslims, a fact that is closely related to the reasons why they reject vaccinating their children, in addition to the usual reasons. ...
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There were also some weird rumors going around in some of the more backward areas that the US had tainted vaccines that were being administered in the middle east. Just like the West has the nutty anti-vaxers, the East has nutty anti-vaxers of a different stripe.

The World Health Organization had been working very hard to convince poorly educated people in the middle east that vaccinating their children would be protect them from disease and possibly death. Then the CIA used a Hepatitis B vaccine program in Pakistan to try to locate bin Laden. Of course, this story found its way into the communities there which undid the WHOs efforts.
 
^At least Americans don't associate everything with Jew conspiracy theory. In Indonesia, even outside the scope of anti-vaxxers, everything bad is linked with the Jews and their 'effort' to conquer the world and purge it off the Muslims - including by utilisation of vaccines. One thing unique in my homeland you probably won't find elsewhere :rolleyes: the other Muslim-associated reason not to take vaccination.
 
I believed this hogwash for a year or two, though I still steadfastly got my flu vaccine every year, as I still do.

Like a couple others in here, I believe myself to be on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum - probably Asperger's. A couple of very telling things are utmost focus about minutiae on some arcane topics and, even more telling, "face blindness," as well as a good portion of body language, emotions, etc. being utterly unintelligible to me. My face blindness isn't complete, but enough to make it hard to follow plots in perhaps one-fourth of theater movies because of "too many characters." I can lose track of somebody in a movie as soon as they change clothes.

Just curious, HOW OLD a diagnosis is "autism"? I got a copy of my mental health records from 1960-61 (when I was an in institution for a year; it DID HELP), and I didn't see the word AUTISM anywhere in the paperwork. I do know that Asperger's itself is a much newer diagnosis than that.
 
frankfrank said:
Just curious, HOW OLD a diagnosis is "autism"? I got a copy of my mental health records from 1960-61 (when I was an in institution for a year; it DID HELP), and I didn't see the word AUTISM anywhere in the paperwork. I do know that Asperger's itself is a much newer diagnosis than that.
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The word 'autism' has been around since the very early 1900s, but, back then, it was used to describe specific symptoms of schizophrenia. It wasn't until the 1940s that researchers began to relate the word to emotional and social disorders. They have advanced in leaps and bound in understanding and treating it, but, to date, there are only theories about what causes it. They know only that a baby is born with it. It does not develop during life.

There are a lot of good websites on autism (which comes from the Greek word 'autos', meaning 'self'), but this one is a good place to start:

http://projectautism.org/history-of-autism
 
What I am going to say you can interpret any way you like..I go back and forth myself....

I never had the flu in my life ....so I never took a flu shot until a doctor sorta convinced me it was a good idea...

...and then I got the shot...and I got the flu....and it sucked....

..neither had I ever had pneumonia....but the doctor convinced me with my heart thing it is a good idea to get a shot...

...so I did..and then I got pneumonia.....

...and NOW...I keep hearing about the shingles and the shot I could get...F U C K ......

...I would be a fool not to consider that it might be a bad idea....

Here't the thing. Most doctors would not even consider that I am a physical empath. They would dismiss it..but it is real and it has been scary as hell more than once...like when I had the same physical symptoms as my mom when she was dying...my arm even turned yellow....so maybe..just maybe...since they don't even recognize my condition...that maybe my body is not compatible with the "shots"....

I know that I will not get a definitive answer but occasionally I talk to a lady who completely "gets it" and so I will ask her what she thinks as I trust her to at least give me the best answer and/or tell me if she doesn't know.
 
gsdx said:
Unless you had chicken pox when you were younger, there is no need for the vaccine.
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Yeah..that's actually the reason for my indecision....

I did have chicken pox in third grade...mumps and measles too...one right after the other...

I sorta want to take the chance...but after the other two I also don't want to regret injecting it in my body. I am afraid my body might act differently....and no one can give me an answer that even considers that I have some different circumstances...
 
^ That would have to be your decision, but you should talk to a doctor or pharmacists for advice. Keep in mind, though, as bad as the flu or pneumonia were, shingles can be a whole lot worse for a whole lot longer.
 
eastofeden said:
Here's the thing. Most doctors would not even consider that I am a physical empath. They would dismiss it..but it is real and it has been scary as hell more than once...
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I think I'm also a physical empath. I never tell anyone because it doesn't seem very rational. But there has been numerous occasions when I picked up illness from others. Illness or tic. For example I didn't know what spasmophilia was until I met my girlfriend who suffered from it in front of me. Few months later, I began to experience those. Biology classes were a chore, if a body part was mentioned I felt ill in that part.
One colleague started having great insomnia, few months later I got those too, though I was a great sleeper before...

I believe it's a kind of placebo, but the mind can have real impact on the body...
 
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