heir-to-the-wind
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I recently learned that some guys actually seek out poz guys to fuck them, intentionally wanting to be infected with HIV. Can anyone explain???
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Wanting to get pozzed -- WTF???
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jensu846
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They have Poz Parties too. They are Bug Chasers. I think there is an entire thread about this if you wanna do any digging. I don't understand it, but some guys would rather get it so then they don't have to constantly worry about getting it. odd.
I've heard of this.
Whatever happened to safe, responsible sex?
I guess that it really does take all types to keep the world spinning.....
Whatever happened to safe, responsible sex?
I guess that it really does take all types to keep the world spinning.....
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There is some weirdo's on this rock
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I know we aren't supposed to say we're disgusted by a fetish here - but this fucking disgusts me. It's not only a sick suicidal impulse on the part of the weirdo looking to get a deadly disease, it's the essence of social irresponsibility. Just knowing there are people like this out there is horrifying.
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This thread might belong in the health forum.
The terms I'm aware of are 'bug chaser' and 'gift giver'.
There was an episode of the American Queer As Folk were a twink student(?) of a poz professor on whom he was crushing wanted the prof to give him a gift. His rationale was if you're poz, you know your status, don't have to think about it, and can fuck around without having to worry. The prof refused, and the twink ended up going to a 'conversion party', where he took something like 20 loads from poz guys.
TIM had a feature (Breeding Mike O'Neal?) where the cum-dumpster bottom said 'make me like you'. I think it started off with a cum enema.
So many safe-sex advocates, especially health-care professionals, refuse to acknowledge the intense eroticism of giving and taking loads, of breeding and getting bred. They just default to a judgemental, finger-wagging mode, which only turns people off health-care in general. Of course the other thing they refuse to acknowledge is that condoms just suck. I think Norman Mailer said "a condom takes 40% off a fuck". I'd place the number at >50%, and that's in both directions. I'm not advocating unsafe sex, only that the liabilities of safe-sex need to be owned,
The terms I'm aware of are 'bug chaser' and 'gift giver'.
There was an episode of the American Queer As Folk were a twink student(?) of a poz professor on whom he was crushing wanted the prof to give him a gift. His rationale was if you're poz, you know your status, don't have to think about it, and can fuck around without having to worry. The prof refused, and the twink ended up going to a 'conversion party', where he took something like 20 loads from poz guys.
TIM had a feature (Breeding Mike O'Neal?) where the cum-dumpster bottom said 'make me like you'. I think it started off with a cum enema.
So many safe-sex advocates, especially health-care professionals, refuse to acknowledge the intense eroticism of giving and taking loads, of breeding and getting bred. They just default to a judgemental, finger-wagging mode, which only turns people off health-care in general. Of course the other thing they refuse to acknowledge is that condoms just suck. I think Norman Mailer said "a condom takes 40% off a fuck". I'd place the number at >50%, and that's in both directions. I'm not advocating unsafe sex, only that the liabilities of safe-sex need to be owned,
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Condoms suck, but what the fuck. Maybe gay guys should start going for quality over quantity. I would NEVER fuck a dude without a condom unless we were in a monogamous LTR, because I, like, care about my life and stuff. And I find it disturbing that other guys evidently don't - but it's just more incentive to protect myself.
It's NOT a rationale at all that you should get HIV so you don't have to worry about getting HIV. That's pure insanity on the face of it. And sure, there are drugs that keep you from getting AIDS, but we're talking multi thousands of dollars a month (as I understand), and whether you have insurance or not you shouldn't be looking for that kind of medical liability - and that's beside any side effects or whatever you get from the medication.
I guess I sound preachy or judgmental - don't mean to; don't mean to insult people who have HIV; don't labor under the impression that I can control what other people do anyway. To me it's just a straight-up practical question. I mean, I had cancer a few years ago, fought it and beat it, but especially after that, I'm not looking for further medical problems.
It's sort of like with drugs - don't we all wish we could take ecstasy every day...lol. But if you do that, you'll end up retarded. It's a tradeoff sometimes between your pleasure seeking and your physical integrity.
It's NOT a rationale at all that you should get HIV so you don't have to worry about getting HIV. That's pure insanity on the face of it. And sure, there are drugs that keep you from getting AIDS, but we're talking multi thousands of dollars a month (as I understand), and whether you have insurance or not you shouldn't be looking for that kind of medical liability - and that's beside any side effects or whatever you get from the medication.
I guess I sound preachy or judgmental - don't mean to; don't mean to insult people who have HIV; don't labor under the impression that I can control what other people do anyway. To me it's just a straight-up practical question. I mean, I had cancer a few years ago, fought it and beat it, but especially after that, I'm not looking for further medical problems.
It's sort of like with drugs - don't we all wish we could take ecstasy every day...lol. But if you do that, you'll end up retarded. It's a tradeoff sometimes between your pleasure seeking and your physical integrity.
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But it is a rationale. A rationale is akin to a rationalization, i.e. employing the tools of reason to support a false position. Rationales are not necessarily reasonable. And in this case the position isn't necessarily false. These are YOLO men who prefer raw, receptive sex to such a degree that they'd just assume get it over with. These days they can go on the drugs, stay undetectable for years, and hopefully live long enough to see a cure. I wouldn't do it, but I can understand why someone would.
This is completely unrelated, but if you're going to take X on a regular bases, it's important to mega-dose on B6 to keep you serotonin-replete.
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I've never heard the term "poz chasers", it's always been "bug chasers". I've seen hookup ads on Craigslist for that kind of insanity. Wrap it or keep it in your pants.
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Some people are just weird as fuck and anyone who wants Aids is clearly fucked up and disgusting, especially if they catch it and pass it on.
paulad39uk
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Even now with far better meds than in the 80's, it's still a very brave or (some would say) stupid thing to want to become positive. You can argue for both sides I suppose, but most people would say who would willingly want to shorten their lifespan just for sex?
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It is a criminal act, there have been cases of people convicted here in the uk.
I don't understand why anyone would go out of their way to make themselves ill for the rest of their lives and dependent on drugs and the side effects involved, let alone then the risk of passing it on. we should be trying to eradicate this dreadful condition.
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That's the very kind of finger-wagging that is only going to make these guys more insistent upon doing it
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I feel that some gay men do this because of self-hatred, insecurity, immaturity, irresponsibility and sadistic intentional harm to others. I can't imagine what goes on in the minds of guys who want to do this or are doing this. I don't see the fascination with getting a disease, while manageable now, can make you sicker than a dog.
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When I was at university I met the 'queers'. The biggest bunch of tools I had ever come across in my life. They were against gay marriage because it was a 'heteronormative' institution, they believed being gay was akin to a phase a social construction created by Germans in 1870's. Unless you were 'queer' into S&M, anarchy, veganism, and dating or identifying as a pan sexual transexual, you had no value. To these people gay men were the worst thing to be fall 'queerness' and the LGBT had more letters in it than the alphabet. And: if you DIDN'T bareback you were 'zero-positive phobic' as a matter of fact to talk about safe sex, made you 'aero-positive phobic'
I didn't get laid at all during my time in university unless I was working at the bathhouse. Not that I found these 'queers' all that attractive anyway. They were all pseudo-punks who lived in the most chic and expensive neighbourhoods subsisting on a diet of quinoa and lentils who'd go on to graduate in hipster obnoxiousness and were sickly and waify looking.
But yeah there's a whole culture of people that have taken post-modernism to the most fucked up dogmatic extremes that common sense goes out the window.
Personally, I don't see how my wanting to not wanting to get sick is discrimination. I don't want to her diabetes, cancer or even the common flu. While I understand that there's discrimination against people with HIV/AIDS, I don't want to lead a life dependent on medication, nevermind not being able to afford said medication, cuz even in Canada not all medication is covered.
I understand mistakes happen. The heat of the moment. Sometimes you're with a guy, the condoms are in your bag in the other room. He just tongued your ass reall good, you've sucked his precuming cock... You're making out, thinking about the condoms in the other room, his slick cock rubbing against your wet asshole. On some days you'll reluctantly slip his finger out of your ass and walk with a raging hard on to the other room. Unzip your backpack, walk back to the room, your semi-hard cock soaking your thighs in precum as you march back to the room where you'll lose the cognitive means to open the fucking wrapper and try to get back to that hot place you were at only some minutes. But if you do, and you slap that condom on, better yet, slip it onto his cock with your mouth, you'll feel damn pleAsed with yourself after your cum's all over your stomach or the sheets from the amazing deep fucking he just gave you, and his cum is inside a protective barrier where you both know you had amazing sex and feel even better that you were responsible about it.
In the off chance that you didn't go to the other room to grab the condom becUse the tip of his cock was already opening your asshole, and his tongue warped around yours just felt too fucking good to stop now, because damnit we're men and when it comes to sex sometimes we act against our better judgment, like masturbating in a public washroom stall though it's against the law, you ride. He spunks in your asshole and yeah, it feels good. If he's kinky enough he'll ask you to turn around and squirt it back out, and you'll think it's hot to finger your ass with his cum till your cum. Then you'll mos his cum with yours, froth it Round your asshole and beg him to shove his semi-hArd cock back in. There. You're both one.
Then you'll both be asking. Demanding each other for reassurances that you're both negative. All of the sudden that hot. Charged moment has become agonizing for both parties and you both are suspect, and angry with the other ready to cry foul on a decision that was made by both of you. You hope to god your next test will be negative. You hope to a higher being you renounced years ago.
I think there's also something to be said for those who died agonizing, horrid, tortured ways because they in fact didn't even know it existed or what it was. I can dig making a mistake in the heat of the moment. But being responsible for the consequences. But I also think to actively chase it, plan it out, pursue it and then pass it on, is prick, selfish behaviour.
As for the rational that well I might get it one day, so I might as well get it over with, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I also might drown one day. I may be hot by a bus too. Hell, these days a bomb may go off while I'm on the metro. Which to choose from? Should I just put rocks in my pocket and jump into the St. Lawrence, or walk into incoming traffic, or seek our ISIL and tell them I'm a fag that lives to get porked in the ass?
I didn't get laid at all during my time in university unless I was working at the bathhouse. Not that I found these 'queers' all that attractive anyway. They were all pseudo-punks who lived in the most chic and expensive neighbourhoods subsisting on a diet of quinoa and lentils who'd go on to graduate in hipster obnoxiousness and were sickly and waify looking.
But yeah there's a whole culture of people that have taken post-modernism to the most fucked up dogmatic extremes that common sense goes out the window.
Personally, I don't see how my wanting to not wanting to get sick is discrimination. I don't want to her diabetes, cancer or even the common flu. While I understand that there's discrimination against people with HIV/AIDS, I don't want to lead a life dependent on medication, nevermind not being able to afford said medication, cuz even in Canada not all medication is covered.
I understand mistakes happen. The heat of the moment. Sometimes you're with a guy, the condoms are in your bag in the other room. He just tongued your ass reall good, you've sucked his precuming cock... You're making out, thinking about the condoms in the other room, his slick cock rubbing against your wet asshole. On some days you'll reluctantly slip his finger out of your ass and walk with a raging hard on to the other room. Unzip your backpack, walk back to the room, your semi-hard cock soaking your thighs in precum as you march back to the room where you'll lose the cognitive means to open the fucking wrapper and try to get back to that hot place you were at only some minutes. But if you do, and you slap that condom on, better yet, slip it onto his cock with your mouth, you'll feel damn pleAsed with yourself after your cum's all over your stomach or the sheets from the amazing deep fucking he just gave you, and his cum is inside a protective barrier where you both know you had amazing sex and feel even better that you were responsible about it.
In the off chance that you didn't go to the other room to grab the condom becUse the tip of his cock was already opening your asshole, and his tongue warped around yours just felt too fucking good to stop now, because damnit we're men and when it comes to sex sometimes we act against our better judgment, like masturbating in a public washroom stall though it's against the law, you ride. He spunks in your asshole and yeah, it feels good. If he's kinky enough he'll ask you to turn around and squirt it back out, and you'll think it's hot to finger your ass with his cum till your cum. Then you'll mos his cum with yours, froth it Round your asshole and beg him to shove his semi-hArd cock back in. There. You're both one.
Then you'll both be asking. Demanding each other for reassurances that you're both negative. All of the sudden that hot. Charged moment has become agonizing for both parties and you both are suspect, and angry with the other ready to cry foul on a decision that was made by both of you. You hope to god your next test will be negative. You hope to a higher being you renounced years ago.
I think there's also something to be said for those who died agonizing, horrid, tortured ways because they in fact didn't even know it existed or what it was. I can dig making a mistake in the heat of the moment. But being responsible for the consequences. But I also think to actively chase it, plan it out, pursue it and then pass it on, is prick, selfish behaviour.
As for the rational that well I might get it one day, so I might as well get it over with, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I also might drown one day. I may be hot by a bus too. Hell, these days a bomb may go off while I'm on the metro. Which to choose from? Should I just put rocks in my pocket and jump into the St. Lawrence, or walk into incoming traffic, or seek our ISIL and tell them I'm a fag that lives to get porked in the ass?
