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We Aren't Getting Out of Afghanistan or Even Iraq

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Well if you all thought that a Republican Congress is going to make it happen, you're shit out of luck.

Face it.

War is the economy of the US.

It could be education and health care, but those don't make nearly the same profits as war materiel.

And then.........what to do with all the leftover soldiers?

The only way you get out of Iraq and Afghanistan is to start war with Iran.

Oh wait.

That is the Apocalypse.

Which, as the military complex knows, is not a money maker.
 
Problem with America is they have to colonize. They can't pull out after coming in. WWII has been over for decades, so why do we still have troops in Japan & Germany? The Korean War isn't officially over, but can't South Korea defend itself?

Other than having refueling stations I don't see why we need bases everywhere and these countries can pay for their own defense. Unfortunately we'll probably have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.
 
Problem with America is they have to colonize. They can't pull out after coming in. WWII has been over for decades, so why do we still have troops in Japan & Germany? The Korean War isn't officially over, but can't South Korea defend itself?

Other than having refueling stations I don't see why we need bases everywhere and these countries can pay for their own defense. Unfortunately we'll probably have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.

It is the same thing that destroys all empires in the end.

They just don't know when to leave, because their interests may not be served.

In the 20th century it was Britain, in this century it will be the US, who knows next century.

But for many individuals, corporations, towns and states, the military industrial complex is everything.

No one knows how to beat swords into ploughshares.

And there is no sense of even thinking that any President is going to do what the Pentagon and the Legislature tell them they cannot do. Bring all troops home.

Iraq is the greatest economic enterprise in the country today. It employs hundreds of thousands of people.

Maybe at the end of the day, even millions directly and indirectly.
 
It's enough to make people who love their countries over there get upset enough to want to shoot things.

Like my lovely gentle caring Scottish lover of 9yrs-7mths who was killed by an Afghanistan sniper while trying to save the life of a child hit by shrapnel.
He was a combat medic for fuck sake but then i suppose a nice big red cross and white flag was just to good a target not to shoot at that was 8 months ago,
But seems like yesterday.:cry:
 
Like my lovely gentle caring Scottish lover of 9yrs-7mths who was killed by an Afghanistan sniper while trying to save the life of a child hit by shrapnel.
He was a combat medic for fuck sake but then i suppose a nice big red cross and white flag was just to good a target not to shoot at that was 8 months ago,
But seems like yesterday.:cry:

(*8*)

If I knew where to find that sniper, I'd go take him out, and leave a note saying that Allah is merciful, so don't shoot the angels of mercy.


It is the measure of the fanatics' barbarity that many of them prefer to shoot at those bearing the symbol of aid and assistance.
 
(*8*)

If I knew where to find that sniper, I'd go take him out, and leave a note saying that Allah is merciful, so don't shoot the angels of mercy.


It is the measure of the fanatics' barbarity that many of them prefer to shoot at those bearing the symbol of aid and assistance.

Thanx Kulindar anyone who would use a child to do that deserves no help but what about all the innocent people ?
We pride ourselfs on our humanity and we should always do so.(*8*)
 
never thought i would say this but ............

we need to move on

too expensive with too little benefit

and karzai is not to be trusted

making iraq look good
 
Thanx Kulindar anyone who would use a child to do that deserves no help but what about all the innocent people ?
We pride ourselfs on our humanity and we should always do so.(*8*)

This is what happens when we stop giving real educations.

A real education for leaders in this country would mean they'd read the story of the Long Walls, in the original, and know that when you enter a prolonged battle with a ruthless enemy, you become ruthless yourself -- and not just to the enemy, but to your own people.

That's why the mind-boggling casualty rates of Word War II, and even the first bomb on Japan, were a fair price: imagine if we'd decided on a slow strategy, dragging out the war against the Nazis for ten years? We'd have become calloused and harsh.

That's what this military adventure and war are doing to us. Too many of our soldiers are becoming like the legionairies of old, ready to go 'do war', not caring terribly about how it got done so long as the enemy died.

That's the only justification I see for the constant pursuit of advanced technology for the military -- not to be certain to win overwhelmingly, but to be so secure in our own strength that we can afford to use only what's absolutely necessary. War has mostly been a game of throwing whatever strength you could against a foe, and to hell with the collateral damage -- but to worry about collateral damage takes true strength (proof positive that suicide bombers are actually cowards), and being able to afford the price of caring takes supreme strength.

To the fanatics, streaming bullets at your enemy and not caring (except perhaps for a brainless prayer surely offensive to God for its shallowness) that you gun down a child is strength. I say they are fools, less than dogs in their understanding: strength means taking hits, and getting to where the child is not in the field of fire, and only then cutting loose.

Allah, if not merely a delusion born of bad food and desert heat, must surely have a special place for those who shoot children -- but I think it would be rather a nice locale, next to that for shooting those who go to aid children.
 
Like my lovely gentle caring Scottish lover of 9yrs-7mths who was killed by an Afghanistan sniper while trying to save the life of a child hit by shrapnel.
He was a combat medic for fuck sake but then i suppose a nice big red cross and white flag was just to good a target not to shoot at that was 8 months ago,
But seems like yesterday.:cry:

Very sad. I'm sorry, I feel for you. It does get a little easier with time. May he rest in peace, and I have no doubt that God will reward him for dying in a VERY noble effort. :(:(
 
Even after there being no WMDs (as many of us claimed against Bush & Friends) we took out Saddam, Iraq is now a "democracy", and sometimes we just have to cut our losses.

How many more Vietnams do we have to go through as a nation before we learn?
 
Problem with America is they have to colonize. They can't pull out after coming in. WWII has been over for decades, so why do we still have troops in Japan & Germany? The Korean War isn't officially over, but can't South Korea defend itself?

Other than having refueling stations I don't see why we need bases everywhere and these countries can pay for their own defense. Unfortunately we'll probably have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.

ummmmm no....
 
Didn't you all get the memo? This war was meant to be perpetual. I'll save my past tense rants for the favor of the trolls. What is happening now is evident to everyone, denial is not an option. This sucks. All of it.
 
We find something we intend to not allow. We then make our presence known and felt in an area of the world.

This is not the end of an empire. Merely the beginning. As the Dollar draws out many in the areas we inspire. it was time to do more in the middle east. Bush did. You can lament it all day long but there is a reason despite all his rhetoric that Obama is still deeply entrenched in the two front war. I think Iraq will more and more become Japan while Afghanistan becomes a lot like S Korea. We will be there for generations. I said so when we went there and the reasons have not changed so we will be there for a bit more.

If Iraq had fallin quietly we would be waging war in Iran right now but Rumsfield underestimated what was needed. Get a global perspective and then you may get it. You may not like it but you will get it. And the idea that our economy is destroyed or that decline is near is crap. Design.
 
Understatement of the month award.

Meh. It's the truth. Rummy was all Pollyanna about his quick light strike idea that he drove it and Iraq into the dirt. Afghanistan could have been silenced a long time ago with 200K in there but whenever you talked about that BEFORE we were losing our asses the political nuts went hard LEFT and I do mean left over the idea of winning war. Now it is there boy and they just wanna quit. it is no wonder the dems have no backbone when they are in control. The left side of there party has no gut.

All that said we will be there for the next 4 decades at a minimum or they will be our worst enemies in half that. (And then of course we will start over again)

Stupid to not finish a fight once your in it.
 
We've been nearly a decade into it so deep that pulling out cold turkey would do more damage than before we went in.

Bring our armies home? Too late. We have a responsibility to make sure two nations we overthrew don't fall to pieces.
 
Meh. It's the truth. Rummy was all Pollyanna about his quick light strike idea that he drove it and Iraq into the dirt. Afghanistan could have been silenced a long time ago with 200K in there but whenever you talked about that BEFORE we were losing our asses the political nuts went hard LEFT and I do mean left over the idea of winning war. Now it is there boy and they just wanna quit. it is no wonder the dems have no backbone when they are in control. The left side of there party has no gut.
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Rumsfeld wouldn't let the planners game it past knocking out the Taliban in Afghanistan or the fall of Baghdad in Iraq. To him, those were the points where it ended -- nothing after them was relevant.

Powell talked about 200k+ and mentioned the gaming done past Rumsfeld's "victory" -- and got shit on.

Making Rumsfeld a drone target would be a better investment than the last twenty they've used around the globe.
 
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