Weeks After Assassination AZ Proposes Official Gun!

[frankfrank]

Thanks for this.

Do you have a pic of him firing?

Maybe there's no picture of him firing.

Will a picture of him SHOOTING, be OK?

 

[levenshulme31]

The tie that Colt has to all of the American West, is that it help settle and ultimately civilize it. Remember, there was no law in places like Arizona to speak of before they became states. You had no police to call, it was your responsibility to protect yourself. Colt along with Winchester were the tools that kept you and your family safe.

Settle and civilize is one way to describe the displacement and genocide of native American peoples I suppose.

 

[levenshulme31]

What about the people who would have been on the receiving end of assault, robbery, rape, or other attack except they had a firearm?

I rather suspect that far more people have been on the receiving end of the horrors you list under the threat from a legally held firearm than there are those who have been saved from such a fate by their own.

"From my cold dead [STRIKE]hand[/STRIKE] kids."
There, fixed it.

 

[Kulindahr]

Settle and civilize is one way to describe the displacement and genocide of native American peoples I suppose.

What genocide took place was long over before the American settlers got there. Most of it was over before any Europeans got there -- the diseases that went ahead of them slaughtered more thoroughly than any firearm ever managed.

I rather suspect that far more people have been on the receiving end of the horrors you list under the threat from a legally held firearm than there are those who have been saved from such a fate by their own.

Not even close.

Not that it's relevant -- it isn't your business to decide that other people should be victims.

 

[pat grimshaw]

You make such gung-ho statements yet claim they're only used in self-defence.

 

[levenshulme31]

Not even close.

Not that it's relevant -- it isn't your business to decide that other people should be victims.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

I still hold that the risk of accidentally or intentionally killing yourself or someone close to you, or someone you didn't really intend to kill, or of a family member doing the same with your gun(s) is greatly increased by the ownership of said gun(s). That you or any other legal gun owner is just as likely as any other person to suffer an incident of temporary rage or mental health episode which renders you incapable of rational decision making during which easy access to guns makes it more likey that you will kill yourself or someon else.

 

[BostonPirate]

just one question... is this a symbolic gesture, is the gov't going to help finance these weapons or distribute them in any way?

I find it sistastefull that they are choosing this gun as a mascott after a huge political assassination, but...

You can't legislate taste. You can't outlaw tacky.

I think as long as the state continues to get black balled by businesses for its papers please issue, we are all safe...lol

you can kick a dog so many times that he just does whatever he wants no matter what you say.

Arizona is reaching that point.

 

[Kulindahr]

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

I still hold that the risk of accidentally or intentionally killing yourself or someone close to you, or someone you didn't really intend to kill, or of a family member doing the same with your gun(s) is greatly increased by the ownership of said gun(s). That you or any other legal gun owner is just as likely as any other person to suffer an incident of temporary rage or mental health episode which renders you incapable of rational decision making during which easy access to guns makes it more likey that you will kill yourself or someon else.

So for statistical reasons, you'd rather that criminals be more free to do as they please to harm people.

 

[Kulindahr]

just one question... is this a symbolic gesture, is the gov't going to help finance these weapons or distribute them in any way?

I can almost see Arizona giving a tax credit for a purchase of a personal self-defense firearm, but while the Colt SAA is historically important, it's not that great a choice for self-defense -- crappy, if you mean to carry concealed.

I find it sistastefull that they are choosing this gun as a mascott after a huge political assassination, but...

You can't legislate taste. You can't outlaw tacky.

What's tacky about choosing a gun from pioneer days that's probably never been used in an assassination?

 

[BostonPirate]

the timing really sucks... thats just the truth. It sends a bad message to other loonies out there.

 

[frankfrank]

I will say that somebody let me do a couple shots with a handgun (in the boonies, not near anybody) many years ago, and shooting where you intend to shoot is MUCH more difficult than you may think. A rifle is far easier to aim properly.

Anybody with a handgun had better know what they're doing.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ Give me fifteen minutes and twenty rounds with a handgun suited to the person, and I can teach anyone to hit a target within threat range every time (caveat: ya gotta stay centered and calm).

 

[silosybin]

the timing really sucks... thats just the truth. It sends a bad message to other loonies out there.

if sending a bad message to loonies is a concern, i don't think the timing would make any difference.

all this really does is reinforce the "gun nut southerner" stereotype

 

[bike10]

It will make the NRA proud of the state of Arizona.

 

[Kulindahr]

It will make the NRA proud of the state of Arizona.

Only because the choice of weapon is a good one.

 

[CowboyBob]

Wouldn't a State making a certain weapon an "official gun" promoting a product?

If Winchester or Browning or Colt protests if their competition is promoted by a State, do they have a legitimate complaint? I bird or tree isn't a copyrighted product so I can understand that, but this is nothing more than politicians sucking up to a private manufacturer and the NRA.

Now let's have an "official" refrigerator and mattress and car and belt sander and computer and window blinds and spatula and .......

Why are these idiots wasting time on crap like this?

 

[Kulindahr]

Wouldn't a State making a certain weapon an "official gun" promoting a product?

If Winchester or Browning or Colt protests if their competition is promoted by a State, do they have a legitimate complaint? I bird or tree isn't a copyrighted product so I can understand that, but this is nothing more than politicians sucking up to a private manufacturer and the NRA.

Now let's have an "official" refrigerator and mattress and car and belt sander and computer and window blinds and spatula and .......

Why are these idiots wasting time on crap like this?

Someone once went to court over that issue, except it was a state flower. The lower court said that having a state flower, song, bird, tree, or whatever was a long-standing tradition not to be interfered with any more than having a state motto. I don't remember where it was, or what happened on appeal.

But besides that, except to historical weapons buffs, not very many people are interested in the Colt SAA anyway. Here's what the first generation of it looks like:

It also came in a long barrel version:

One with an even longer barrel, called a "Scout":

There's no "sucking up" involved. At least five different companies today make replicas, some with and some without modern improvements (in the area of safety). Someone even sells a kit with five barrels, so you can "enjoy" all the different barrel lengths made historically.

 

[Kulindahr]

Why are these idiots wasting time on crap like this?

This is the sort of bill that might take all of ten minutes of the legislature's time. Think of it as mental relaxation between other things.

Like the one they should be doing: changing the law so when a public institution finds someone to be sufficiently dangerous to be banned from the grounds, in order to buy a firearm they have to undergo an evaluation from three different psych-docs (if they pass, the state pays; fail, and it's their bucks).

 

[CowboyBob]

This is the sort of bill that might take all of ten minutes of the legislature's time. Think of it as mental relaxation between other things.

Kuli, you can't tell me this doesn't have any political undertones and pandering to the NRA. Otherwise there will be official State toasters and blenders too.

 

[jackoroe]

Kuli, you can't tell me this doesn't have any political undertones and pandering to the NRA. Otherwise there will be official State toasters and blenders too.

You did raise I point that I hadn't considered, Bob. The guns while historic, are still in production albeit in limited quantities through the custom shop, as I recall. So it seems they would be giving Colt a leg up in that they could advertise it as the Official Firearm of Arizona. If I owned US Firearms, who produces essentially identical guns in Colt's old factory in Hartford, I'd be pissed by being excluded. And what about Winchester? The rifle played a far bigger role than the pistol did.

Arizona could have made money on this, but they may have squandered away that opportunity!