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Whenever I question my dad and another uncle and beg them to cut him off completely, they use the whole "blood-is-thicker" "family must stick together" bullshit to reason with me.*

And my answer to that is always "really? So how come you brow beat your sons relentlessly when we wouldn't tell the neighbors we hadn't met the right girl yet?"

I gave up trying to reason with them and decide not to let this walking human cancer into my life. My family and my kids (in the future of course) will have nothing to do with him. I know where you are coming from.

But I completely don't agree with you shutting out her kids. ... If one of them calls you because he's gay and has a gay-problem or whatever, please don't put down the phone. You may not necessarily want to be his family but that doesn't mean you stop being a decent human being.

Like I said... They have a gay married aunt (sperm donor's sister) and their parents and grandparents are all very gay supportive. They all are supporters of PFLAG. *If one of them calls me it will be less likely reaching out for help because of being gay and much more likely the desire to run away to California and live in Hollywood. Not going to happen.*
 
I may be wrong, but I think total honesty might be a selfish act. It feels great, sure, at the moment to tell our truth to someone, consequences be damned, but I believe truth can be keep to oneself if it may be better that way to the others.

In my family, I got sick and fucking tired of being the one who had to keep things to himself.*

I know it is far from an easy thing, but forgiveness can be a great way to find peace.

You can only forgive people for things they have done... Not the things they continue to do.

Forgiving people for the things they continue to do is called "being a doormat."
 
By the way... My brothers are totally in line with this. We all got the same treatment (Carl, being the young one was spared most of it) and we all feel like we're being invited to the insane asylum so we can pretend it's not being run by the lunatics.
 
You will find, as I am sure you are already aware, that many people, friends and family alike, would prefer that you keep the truth of the situation to yourself and not speak of such things ever, publicly or privately.

They know it's true. They just don't want you talking about it.

And I'm sure that you'll agree with me when I say that's half the fucking problem.

I was at a party in New England once, and we're all talking about members of our "family" when some chick snorted out, "My family's NORMAL."

So I asked her, "What was THAT like?"

:lol:

The holidays always remind me why I'm so fucking amazed at all of the dysfunctional bullshit that I grew up with in my life, and we still *in hushed tones discuss and forgive* but the real fuh-reak are the FAGGOTS in the family.

And FUCK those losers can't even spell "faggot" correctly when they're sending their "friendly" Holiday Messages to me. :mad:



Not sure if it's one of my New Year's resolutions for 2012 or not, but I'm formulating a plan to BREAK IT OFF in everyone's ass!

I'm done enabling, and Denial IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT!

As an Out and Proud Gay Man, family is what we make it, and I'm tired excepting the excuses made for everyone else within my "blood line" while they use me as the "whipping post" even though I've continued to "enable" their behavior toward others.

Soilwork, hold your ground buddy! ..|
 
Are you sure they are beyond redemption with their attitude towards you ? Do their neighbours know that you're gay and a director of adult movies ?
Sometimes people are so set in their ways that they need a shock to realize how things are and not how they wished they were.

I wrote that I find total honesty is selfish, but only you know really what/when to say things that need to be said.

I was very ashamed when my mother presented my brother's partner as a "friend" to a somewhat town distant acquointance (spelling ??). And I hadn't the courage to tell the man that the "friend" was my brother's partner. My mother would have been white or red from shame I think, but to place higher what someone, a near stranger, may think of you above your son's feelings or his lover's is just wrong in my view.

It's not easy to change things, but (I may be wrong again), it really seems like the whole familly situation is heavy on your heart and it may affect you in a bad way.
You seem to choose to distance yourself from them, but not completely, is that satisfying to you ?

Forgiveness doesn't preclude education. Have you tried to teach them, by speech or by acts, how wrong they can be ? Forgiveness is not only for their sake, but mostly for your own. Hatred or bitterness are probably not the best foundations that you would want your own familly to be built upon, are they ?
 
Maybe you and your parents should talk about something other than your sister. It is obvious a sore spot for you.
 
I won't argue that. Years of being bulldozed over in the interest of making everyone else's life better or easier or more pleasant has shown me that's the best policy.

For years I would be told I was going to visit them for Christmas, march break and a month in the summer. I would do this or they would stop paying for my university. I would be subjected to endless berating over how I dress, the words I used and the way I pronounced them (instead of keeping my ugly-sounding Atlantic Canadian drawl and common words, I chose to adopt a central Canadian accent and stopped speaking like the Nova Scotia version of the Beverly Hillbillies).

I wasn't liked or welcome at all.. But, it was explained to me, the neighbors would "star to talk" if I didn't come and play the part of the son they'd have rather had. I was told if they ask you about ______, just say "______" and was given a set of per-written lies. When I asked why it was so important that I lie to the neighbors, I was told "well you know how they do go on about people and I just can't bear the thought of them saying that about me."

Every time I would be in public and utter more than a four-word sentence, my mother would give me a combination angry and terrified look, make the "ssshhhh" gesture and then in the car on the way home, my parents and sister would berate me for "making such a scene" or "putting on that way."

I realized that what the neighbors and the friends from "down the way" thought was much more important than my feelings or mental health.

So yes. Selfish is what I became. And I think that many of the "poor me, mommy won't love me if I'm gay and how do I turn my straight friend gay because I'm in the closet... Should I get him drunk" people here at JUB could use a bit of selfishness I their diet.

Thanks for that post, it's helps me to understand you as poster here a little better.

You could still dial it back a bit, but even if members come at me with a knife, I'll continue to defend where you're coming from.

When I came out to my Sister I thought that she was the most accepting and understanding.

Nah!

Turns out she was just racking up points, hoping that no matter how much of a drug addled adulteress whore that she turned out to be, there's no way that our parents would chose their "faggit" son who didn't give them any grandchildren.

And when our Parents demonstrated that they love me for Me, she lost here freaking mind.

Christmas Dinner this past Sunday, Dad had a few drinks, and blamed me for the reason why my Sister is such a CUNT.

I'm sorry. :(

Let me just go ahead and pack up my shit, sell off the retirement property that I bought for you and Mom, my Sister can go and fuck herself, along with her offspring who think that they're going to benefit when you and Mom are Dead from the property that I bought for your retirement, and I'll spend the rest of my days fucking my faggit brains out and traveling the world, without the family fucking drama. :mrgreen:

And hell yes it felt great posting that OUT LOUD! (!)
 
Are you sure they are beyond redemption with their attitude towards you ? Do their neighbours know that you're gay and a director of adult movies ?

Maybe I'm not telling enough of the pictures. My parents are actually quite in support of who I am now and what I do and although it's not what they would have chosen, they now admit that yes... I chose the right career, city to live in, life and lifestyle. They call my husband their "son in law" and agree with pretty much everything I say.

They just get angry when I remind them that the emperor a'in't got no pants on. When I point out that in 13 years, they're going to be 85 and that's when the kids will start to show the symptoms of the bipolar disorder they probably have, my twin brother and I will be 56 and my sister will be 58... twice divorced (by then) with two bipolar teenagers, it hits a bit hard for them.

But I said that when they asked me "why don't you give her a call since its Christmas and she'd love to hear from you?" the answer is "I don't want to start going down that slippery slope again. You all treated me like shit when she finally got married and when that came to it's inevitable messy end, I was the rock you all held on to. And frankly, none of your learned from your mistakes and I'm not going to enable you anymore."


Forgiveness doesn't preclude education. Have you tried to teach them, by speech or by acts, how wrong they can be ? Forgiveness is not only for their sake, but mostly for your own. Hatred or bitterness are probably not the best foundations that you would want your own familly to be built upon, are they ?

Ok, that's a bit "Chicken Soup For The Soul" for me.. "let people walk all over you repeatedly and forgive them every time... it's the journey to inner piece... here... have an Enya CD on the house..."

I have found that the speech and acts that have had the best education for them is when I'm blunt and don't hold back. Telling people the way it is in the most harsh fashion is the best way to get to them. Sad but true.
 
Selfishness is not a bad trait. Taking care of yourself is never a bad thing. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I'd love to embroider that on a tea cosy and send it to my parents.

Not to taunt them for how they treated me (which is quite forgiven and in the past) but because of the guilt they feel over how they don't just drop everything and run around cleaning up the mess left by their daughter.
 
ya can walk ons wata

it true

but walk in sky handy wata under ya

or it hurt
 
one question, what is a vanity offspring?

a child u have... out of vanity? 0_o

Babies that one has so they can cart them around for attention.

If I'm to believe stories my mother has told, my sister will be "too busy" to do things like buy the kids proper winter coats or get their hair cut so she hands them off to my parents and asks them to look after that. But then we find out she was so "busy" attending baby showers with the other kid in tow and "everyone agreed that I had the most beautiful baby."

She apparently spends a lot of time at the gym. Like all mothers with two toddlers. I think she's hoping to be a MILF.*
 
You can only forgive people for things they have done... Not the things they continue to do.

Forgiving people for the things they continue to do is called "being a doormat."

Never feel bad about the choices you have made (career, where you live, how you conduct yourself) - they are yours. If the people in your life cannot accept those choices, they aren't meant to be in your life.

I find these, inspirational.
 
Take the high road and keep your feelings of anger towards your sister and her partner to yourself. Your family doesn't want to hear it. If you need to get it off your chest seek counseling

My brother is an asshole and I have nothing to do with him. When his name comes up in conversations with other family members I don't throw in my $0.02 about how I feel towards him


It is better to be silent and appear to be a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt
 
I won't argue that. Years of being bulldozed over in the interest of making everyone else's life better or easier or more pleasant has shown me that's the best policy.

[edit years of angst]

So yes. Selfish is what I became. And I think that many of the "poor me, mommy won't love me if I'm gay and how do I turn my straight friend gay because I'm in the closet... Should I get him drunk" people here at JUB could use a bit of selfishness I their diet.

If the past that they created for you is still shaping your life to such an extent, they are in a way still controlling you. For all the distance you've put between you and them (for a lot of good reasons) they should not be able to get under your skin with a call like the one you had at Christmas.

After a while a bee keeper stops blaming the bees when he has to put his hand in the hive. He even gets used to the sting.

Your family are just doing what they do. Tell it like it is but don't expect a bee not to be a bee. Let them live their limited picturesque nosey nova scotia village lives. I'm sure I remember it was one of the rules that after a certain age you don't try to free a mind from the Matrix.

I don't think you should ignore them, at least not your parents. And don't be surprised that they want everybody to "just make nice," even if that seems hopelessly naïve. You don't have to rub it in their faces just to make it okay for yourself not to play along.

And if you get a call from a nephew in 10 or 15 years saying "Uncle, these people are nuts. You have to get me out of here, I'm not built for this kind of life. I need to see the world and know that life exists outside these crazy petty nosey villagers and their limited horizons," make it easier on the kid than it was for you to escape and send him the bus fare to Toronto or something. But don't judge him as being the same as your family to the same standard of assumed conformity that your parents and their neighbours expected of you. Selfishness is what might have lifted you out, but it is also what kept you down when your family and neighbours used it against you. So find a different way entirely, instead of just a mirror image.
 
It is better to be silent and appear to be a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt

I don't personally feel that laughing about how touchy my parents are when I point out what doormats they are makes me a fool.
 
If the past that they created for you is still shaping your life to such an extent,

Um... what?

It's not shaping my life at all. I don't let it bug me, I just made a thread because I thought it was funny how they get so upset when I bluntly answer their questions. That's what this thread is about. I'm not upset at all. I forget they exist half the time.

And if you get a call from a nephew in 10 or 15 years saying

In 10 years they will be 12 and 13. I'm not taking in children because they don't like their parents.

If you think giving a child or a teenager bus fare so they can move to a huge city and be homeless is helping them, I don't agree.
 
I may be old fashioned, but I also agree with others here who say "do not shut out the kids". Whether or not they grow up gay, is not the issue. What is an issue is that if their home life is so crazy, then they might need someone as normal and stable as you (o.k., I know the jury is still out on that, but you know what I mean..;)) as an anchor. Whether you like it or not, because they are your sisters kids, they have your blood in their veins. You are just looking at them as the kids they are, and not the adults they may grow to be,...or the adults that with a sane force like you in their lives, they can grow up to be. Like others said....this is not the kids fault. They are innocent in all this. You might be able to keep them from growing up into the monsters/losers/white trash, that you assume that they are going to become. :)
 
Truth is good .... you did the right thing.

You are closer to your family than some people here.
Some don't even have contacts with their families at all.


I don't think anyone "shut down the kids".
If people don't get in touch for a long time. They are like strangers.
 
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