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^ Well, he would say that.

Look at his title and you will see who is paying his fortnightly salary (he's saving money hard to buy a house with a harbour-view).
 
I learned that the weather here's about to get even worse tonight with a chance of snow.:##:
 
pat grimshaw said:
^ Well, he would say that.

Look at his title and you will see who is paying his fortnightly salary (he's saving money hard to buy a house with a harbour-view).
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I read more of the comment section, with the reference to the Torrens Title system and all that, than the article itself...
 
^ How can they tell if females are menstruating?

The guy who brought down the World Trade Centre refused to look upon menstruating females when living in Europe—

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I've mentioned briefly here that I don't listen to classical music and am entirely ignorant about it, the sort of person who would benefit from a derpy "appreciation" course. :rolleyes: Pat and Belly's frequent references are outside my orbit, I skip over them totally as I assume most others do, too.

However, I recently learned a co-worker of mine has done some schooling in music, so I asked, "what should people listen to?"

He quickly said "classical" so I said "which?" Then I started getting weekly recommendations. So far I've listened to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, Crumb's Black Angels, Messiaen's L'Ascension, Turanga Lila and Quartet for the End of Time, Schubert's Die Schone Mullerin and Bereo's Sinfonia. As I lack the expertise to say much of interest about these pieces, I'll only say that I quite like everything I've listed to by Messiaen and couldn't finish Schubert's ditties after two attempts.
 
I want to learn why JustUsBoys wouldn't load on my computer all day today until just now.
 
zoltanspawn said:
I've mentioned briefly here that I don't listen to classical music and am entirely ignorant about it, the sort of person who would benefit from a derpy "appreciation" course. :rolleyes: Pat and Belly's frequent references are outside my orbit, I skip over them totally as I assume most others do, too.

However, I recently learned a co-worker of mine has done some schooling in music, so I asked, "what should people listen to?"

He quickly said "classical" so I said "which?" Then I started getting weekly recommendations. So far I've listened to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, Crumb's Black Angels, Messiaen's L'Ascension, Turanga Lila and Quartet for the End of Time, Schubert's Die Schone Mullerin and Bereo's Sinfonia. As I lack the expertise to say much of interest about these pieces, I'll only say that I quite like everything I've listed to by Messiaen and couldn't finish Schubert's ditties after two attempts.
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That is not classical: your friend takes "classical" as "learned" music, as opposed to popular, "pop" music, which contains or, rather, is based on learned music, but is, objectively, a dumbing down of it, which is different from simplification. Classical Viennese was a simplification of the tradition of the so-called baroque era, and being merely simpler does not make it "dumber".

Apart from that, and even taking into account the concept of continuum and "blurred lines", "popular music" should include also all those orchestral standards by Porter, Kern and similar... down until Lloyd Webber... all which would explain the apparently "crossover" of The Beatles's to orchestral versions and, conversely, why "metal" music and similar are so "learned" that you can even perfectly fit literal Bach phrases in their jams.
 
The vulgar taxonomy suits my interest^, but I wonder if you have any other insightful things to say about the particular pieces mentioned. I've only gone back in time as far as Schubert, which particularly disliking, makes me wonder if I'm predisposed to more current stuff...
 
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... if I'm predisposed to more current stuff...
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That's fair enough because you ARE current. We live in a conformist society and one has to consciously open one's ears to hear 'proper' classical music— just like one has to spend time in the mountains to appreciate the actuality of the mountains.

Rite of Spring and L'Ascension are good examples of 20th century music and which are similar to music used in 20th century films. Of course Belamo hates 20th century music but I think you should stick with it for a while til you get used to it (try Prokofiev, Sibelius). Listen to the radio or borrow CDs. Don't spend money on CDs while you're still experimenting with your listening.

Later one you might start appreciating the late 19th century music (Debussy, Tchaikovsky) and eventually your ears MIGHT appreciate Schubert or even the early dry music which Belamo likes.

A good way to appreciate new pieces of 'proper' classical music is when they're used in movies. The movie sets up the mood for us to understand what the composer was wanting to convey to us.
 
zoltanspawn said:
The vulgar taxonomy suits my interest^, but I wonder if you have any other insightful things to say about the particular pieces mentioned. I've only gone back in time as far as Schubert, which particularly disliking, makes me wonder if I'm predisposed to more current stuff...
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I forgot to add how funny it is when some talk about how repetitive music ("pop", of course) "has become" when, first, repetitive, formulaic music has been the constant ever since there has been mass consumption of music and, second and maybe even more important and relevant to the case, the "dumbing down" and increasing vulgarity of formulaic, easy to listen that had always been around, started precisely in the late XIXth with supposed high-brown music like Puccini's.

That would only show that you are not a man of all times, but an average guy sunk in the sensibility of the times he is living in :mrgreen:
 
pat grimshaw said:
Of course belamo hates 20th century music
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Most certainly I do NOT.

What I hate is, first and foremost, hype and vulgar standards: I have always loved good stuff as long as it is truly learned, and that is something I do not need to stop and coldly analyze, but feel instantly from the materiality I hear, from that very Stravinsky to even James Horner or some Metallica.
I do not even hate The Beatles or The Rollings as long as they are not presented to me as the epitome of any sort of particular artistic excellence: they simply sum up the sensitivity of an era, like Murillo or Raphael or Rembrandt or Bouguereau or Weber or Boccherini or Puccini or... would do for certain other sensitivities... sensitivity is not just taste or opinion, is HABIT, the material encasement of the ticks of a particular society.
 
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