What I really miss about my PC when I'm using the mac

[Apollo]

That's why I use a PC.

The only thing I miss from the Mac is garageband, and I found a better program.

 

[Apollo]

Apollo, I think that while the PC is rather fun use while surfing the web, I don't think I'll ever feel comfortable using it on a regular basis paying bills, or doing anything where security is an issue.

It must be remembered that oftentimes when a "cure" is issued for a particular virus, trojan, etc, 1000s or millions of PCs are already infected. Therefore, I don't think the benefits of using a PC outweigh the risks.

(Besides, there're issues about using a PC that drive me nuts!)

Only stupid users get viruses. I havent had a virus in years, nor do I worry about security. I have a light, out of the way virus scanner that just works. But also, I don't do stupid browsing.

Oh, and I would like to mention there is a new trojan infects both Macs and PC's. Your gay, so you don't have to worry about it. But for all those straight and bisexual male macheads looking for a particular model. They will soon find out how Mac's aren't impervious to viruses.

Upon further inspection. Seems the gays macheads should worry too.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/168784/erin_andrews_video_attacks_target_macs_and_pcs.html
http://www.macnn.com/articles/09/06/11/new.mac.malware.circulates/

And beyond that, people could still download a keystroke recorder on your comp without you knowing, etc etc

 

[Apollo]

Your pulling out fine hairs here.

Most dangerous viruses get on computers because of dumb computing and people installing it themselves.

Point of the matter is, Mac's aren't any more safer than a PC if your a dumbass. And as the arrogance and stupidity of Macheads rise, so will the amount of trojans and viruses.

Not saying all macheads are arrogant and stupid, just the majority.

As for the keystroker thing, can happen. Leave your mac open or without a password, they slip in, install from CD or thumb drive. Voila.

 

[Apollo]

Ok, but a trojan horse does just as much damage if it is written to. I do admit, it is hard to get a virus to upload itself on a Mac. A protection not made by Apple.

But we both know that dumbasses will go to fringe sites and download whatever they want. They will have the unfound sensibility that Macs are impervious to trojan horses (seeing how your so keen on proper wording). And this increases when it is a site with some naked girl or guy celebrity who they want to jack off to for the day.

Poor people are probably too busy using netbooks trying to look like hipsters.

I think Apple sells a special hat for swelled heads at the high high price of $300. But you pay for the fact that it doesnt attract dirt or dust, and has a nifty (but now outdated) aluminum look!

Not really. According to Apple, Mac's just work. So sticking a CD in and installing a keystroke recorder should just work. Pending you don't have a password, and a lot of people don't have passwords.

 

[Apollo]

Really. Someone told me about having a virus on several Apple computers pre-OS X days, when Apple was like "fuck it, let's use freeBSD (or Unix, which one do they use?) and put something on top. Before that, there was kernal panics, and all types of shit.

I understand the distinction clearly. But when talking about windows, distinctions aren't made for a second when discussing it. A virus is a virus to people keen on bashing windows.

I only go to trusted sites for my porn happiness. And when viewing pics, if malware is on the site, I am warned.

I do use Windows 7, so I never really get the problems that XP gets. (XP should be burned)

I did forget to mention the Apple logo on the hat. I heard it blinks when Steve has come up with the next great innovation!

If the person doesnt have a password on their comp, it might be as simple as saying "yes, allow download"

Windows has the same thing now with UAC given you a warning.

I have a password for my comp, and I am the only user. I added it after I didn't have one and my mom found my porn.

 

[Apollo]

Wikepedia has an entry on OS X's underpinnings here.According to a buncha sites, there were 60 to 80 pre-OS X viruses in the wild. I've also read that there were only eight to 20. One that hit particularly hard was burned into a CD distributed by MacAddict, a now-defunct Mac mag. Most viruses were pre-internet, though, so they didn't spread easily in any case. Most went from machine to machine via floppies.

I've owned Macs since 1991, beginning with System 7, and I used them before that at work, beginning with System 6, where there were 35 to 40 Macs on a network and accessible by phone. None of these ever caught a virus and no virus ever infected my home machines. However, it was by pure luck that I avoided the virus burned onto the MacAddict CD.

Oh thanks for the info.

A lot of people say UNIX, some say freeBSD. Seems to be a nice mixture of both.

I give it to Apple. If you can't build your own core, use someone elses and make a nice GUI.

Macs are pretty and all, and they are nice. But I still prefer Windows post XP.

 

[Apollo]

Apple may have copied the idea from Gates' MS DOS.

prob, but MS was just lazy getting rid of DOS and moving to what they kinda have right now (although, I think Win7 and Vista are on something slightly diff).

and dos was never that great

 

[Apollo]

Apollo, we have to look at the big picture. How many OSX viruses, trojans, etc are there in existence? 5 or 10 max. How many are on Windows? 40 or 50 thousand. (Or is it even higher than that now?)

I have a password on my computer that's 23 digits long. I can't install anything at all on a Mac without this password. I have my built-in firewall enabled under Stealth Mode.

I am not saying that Macs are completely secure; no OS is. But all in all, my puter is far safer than most. My father's PC, which recently bit the dust, had over 2000 viruses on it, and I kid you not. (To be fair, my mother, who's a newbie, said that a huge amount of these were duplicates—probably a self-duplicating worm or something.)

I believe that for a beginner or a casual computer user, Macs are the way to go. PCs are for people with a great deal of computer experience.

Johann, you have to look at the big picture here. The majority of the viruses do nothing, and are weak to be honest. A lot of them don't work anymore, and the majority never reach a computer.

But also, governments use what system to store their most sensitive government secrets (in truth, probably linux) certainly isn't Mac.

On a PC, you can have a equally complicated password, Windows now has a built in firewall that is pretty good. The protection is much better post XP and more stable at that. And if you want to, you can set up your comp to require a password to install anything, thats what UAC is.

The thing is, most people just put in the password and keep installing. They still don't know if a trojan is in the download.

Mac's are fine. The real problem with macs are the fanboys who talk too much. Not saying you or Keeland is one of them, just saying.

Either way, i prefer my Windows 7.

 

[Apollo]

That's all right, Apollo, but I beg you to be honest with yourself.

Say your aunt Nellie Nosepicker is a raw newbie who cannot point and click. Which platform would be safer for her? Come on...be honest.

I would tell her to get a PC. But to make sure to use her coupon to get the free upgrade to Windows 7 in October.

I would teach her how to use it. Install MS Security Essentials and pass it on to her. Oh, and set her up a password, get firefox up, and leave it to her.

I'm not gonna tell her to buy some overly expensive computer that isn't that great.

Once win7 is out in retail, the only thing seperating either OS is a virus scanner and price.

 

[Apollo]

Thinking about it though. If she had money, I would ask her what she needed.

If she wants it to do media, I would say get a Mac and make sure the full iLife suite is on there.

If it was for business, or just to do everyday stuff, I would tell her to save her money and get a PC.

 

[Apollo]

A dash? You mean like this - ?

The dash problem would be the same on a Mac and PC if you don't know your keyboard layout.

I would imagine maybe 100 people still use a Dvorak keyboard? And most of them own a actual dvorak keyboard which is plug and play on either platform.

I don't find Mac's a whole lot easier to be honest. And in Vista and Win7, using the computer is a lot easier when you can just type in what you need.

Really, most people are familiar with the Windows platform and understand how to do everything just fine. I don't understand what is so incredibly hard with using a PC to be honest?

As for newbie's (they still exist?) when they are learning a computer, both are gonna be a little hard to use. I know a lot of people who have used Windows all their life and know nothing about how to use a Mac. They often wonder why the keyboard layout is different, and how to use the system preferences.

 

[Apollo]

Standard windows keyboard. Although, on new keyboards, there is a fn key on there.

I am on a laptop, so it is a little different with the number pad gone, essentially the same though.

And as for a dash, in Word if you type a word space - space word, Word with make the dash for you and no need to double hyphen it.

 

[Apollo]

There isn't one.

But if you (on vista and win7 at least) open start menu, type in keyboard, and click on "change how keyboard works" you can quickly turn on the dvorak keyboard.

And then, you get this.

 

[Apollo]

As for the dash thing, I never knew it was such a real big issue for people.

But beyond that, you do have to learn the keystrokes to get the umlauts etc, or just use a word processor.

 

[Apollo]

haha, funny. I was about to tell you there isn't one, but there is.

Open start menu, type character map.

you get this:

You can also do tons of other languages and and groups.

I forgot to add, you can change your keyboard into any language, and use the onscreen keyboard as a guide, while using your physical keyboard.

 

[Apollo]

OIC. You have to type in a code.

That's more trouble than on a Mac, but it'll work. Thank you for your help.

No you don't. You pick the symbol you want, click on it, copy it, insert in your text.

Overly simple if you ask me.

 

[Apollo]

Copy and paste?

Apollo, all I have to do is punch a couple of buttons—exactly the same mechanics as typing a capital letter. Example: my screen name, JohannBeßler.....it's infinitely easier than copying and pasting.

<chuckle> Hey, Apollo, this conversation is beginning to carry the same overtones as an Englishman and an American arguing about which beverage is better—coffee or tea?

Didn't mean it to progress like that. I want to thank you for the information...

You mean you type in a key combination?

You can do that on windows as well. There doesn't seem to be one I can find for win7, but at the same time. Most people who do have to use these special characters are doing it in a word processor or special editor, and in those, there is a easy key combination to use.

If you need to type in a different language, Windows allows you to do that by simply changing your key config in your keyboard settings.

It's already understood that windows and mac's work a little differently. It depends on how you like to do things. Now you know how to add foreign characters into your words when you need to on Windows.

Any other problems you have with windows? Like stuff you can't find?

 

[Apollo]

I think option on windows is ctrl or alt.

ctrl s is save and alt s opens up history dropdown menu (ctrl h opens up history sidebar.

In wordpad and notepad, and I guess anyother word processor, ctrl+alt+s makes the german symbol. Seems like you don't need the character map at all.

You really don't know? There is a help section next to in the section with file, edit, view (i forgot the name of the section. options toolbar?) or just hit f1

 

[Apollo]

What do you have to do in a browser?

Apropos the other question, I guess I just need to take some time to properly learn Windows. Every time I look for help, it connects to the Internet and gives irrelevant results, and I remember once or twice, it didn't help at all. Once again, I need to take more time to RTFM.

The new help system in Windows is connected to the internet, but it is all handled in the help window. Sometimes you might need to go to the website to get something you need, but no a lot.

In a browser, use the character map. In firefox, ctrl+alt+s does nothing.

Oh...in IE, it does it though. Hmmm, seems firefox doesnt support it natively.

Found a addon for firefox though upon research.

 

[Corny]

"stealth" mode .. bwahaha
and still you can throw around numbers as much as you want - it needs one well written virus, trojan or whatever, even maybe some thing that needs you to click somewhere .. if it is well written or deployed you will probably do it. and this one virus still CAN destroy your system.
and to speak about x or y being easier for newbies .. it's all relative. if you take an absolute newbie it doesn't really matter if you let him play with a mac or with a windows machine. the only thing that in my experience is a REAL pain in the ass is the various "extra" databases that mac apps use (iTunes, iPhoto) on top of the filesystem. well at least installing software is easier for newbies here