What If Being Gay IS wrong and a sin?

[RationalLunacy]

In the unlikely event that being gay is wrong and a sin, then I hereby declare my intention to remain a wrongful sinner.

Period.

 

[ckyb2]

I've never understood religious homosexuals. It leads to nothing more than depression, self loathing, etc. but I digress here.

To answer: No.

I don't give a fuck if it's a sin or not. I am who I am. There are worse things in this world than two people who happen to be of the same gender in a sexual relationship.

 

[sulphur-springs]

What if little fuzzy bunnies are the masters of the universe?

...Then I'm screwed. I just fed one to my Burmese Python.

(Before you all get your poles in a knot, I buy them frozen).

 

[Lukeee]

What if grass shouldn't be green? What if the sun shouldn't set in the west?

IF there is a God, and IF he created anything that shouldn't be exactly what it is ... then that's pretty fucked up, don't you think?

If something goes wrong blame it on the Devil. If it goes right thank god.

 

[TX-Beau]

...Then I'm screwed. I just fed one to my Burmese Python.

(Before you all get your poles in a knot, I buy them frozen).

All religions need martyrs.

 

[TX-Beau]

So you can be gay, you just can't enjoy it?

 

[EwanSF]

I am a Catholic, I do know that just being gay isn't the problem here; the problem comes in through our acting out, ie; having sex with another Guy. Now, the Church forbids Onanism, and Sodomy, and so does the Bible.

I had my meeting with the Catholic Priest/Chaplin at the local Medical Center, and we had a lively discussion on my being Gay and wanting to be in a relationship, and also returning to the sacraments. He says that I can go to confession and confess acting out in sex, then be in the state of grace. He did mentioned that it may not be a problem living with another Guy and cuddling, and the likes, but no 'Gay Sex'. It seems that at this time, my mind is telling me that Gay sex is primarily in Sodomy (anal penetration), and of course, Onanism (masterbation), though it is performed by both Gays and str8's. pssst, str8 men do sodomize women- lets keep this one on the DL. Str8's can be just as damned to hell committing sodomy, if that is the case.

I have one question. Why? By all means, believe in god if that's what floats your boat, but why subject yourself to this nonsenseical, prudish morality? Why have a large part of your identity demeaned (and the assertion that gay sex is in some way immoral is demeaning of who we are,) by some self-righeous prick in a frock?

 

[TX-Beau]

I have one question. Why? By all means, believe in god if that's what floats your boat, but why subject yourself to this nonsenseical, prudish morality? Why have a large part of your identity demeaned (and the assertion that gay sex is in some way immoral is demeaning of who we are,) by some self-righeous prick in a frock?

My Mama always said the Pope was the anti-christ.

 

[Yuki Sohma]

What If Being Gay IS wrong and a sin?

It ain't not..................so forget 'bout itttttttttt..................

 

[TX-Beau]

TX-Beau,
I can be Gay alright, I can enjoy Gay friendships, I can enjoy cuddling, hugging, and kisses; accordingly/apparently, I can't enjoy Sodomy and Onanism. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy having Gay sex. I have to ask myself, "Why do lots of Gay Men avoid anal sex, some avoids both anal and oral, meaning BJ's and rimming?" and the answers lies in the realm of Science and Medicine, and the Church relies on Science in many areas, and this a key reason why the Church realizes that we are born Gay- that alone gives me hope.

The Pope isn't the Anti-Christ! read Matthew 16:18, John 21:17, Acts 2:14, 3:6-7,15:7. There are more but this enough for now.

OK, in the south, things my Mama says are always hyperbole. It was humor. Anyway my Mama is a Southern Baptist, so it should come as no surprise what her opinion is.

A gay relationship without the sex is a friendship not a relationship, which is fine, but frankly why would I pay attention to some celibate priest who tries to set conditions for where my dick goes. What the fuck does he know.

The church relies on science? That's rich, remind me again when the Catholic Church admitted that the world was indeed round?

Frankly I have less problems with Catholics than I do with Baptists. But that doesn't mean I listen to them either.

 

[TX-Beau]

Mea Culpa, I was referring to when the catholic church admitted that the earth revolved around the sun, and that was 1992, but the flat earth thing still applies, it's just less egregious.

 

[TX-Beau]

I will leave you with this note: My Dad's side of the family are Southern Baptists in Tennessee, and Georgia and they don't talk like your Mama. They Don't judge the Catholic Church, they believe that the Pope is a great Man and a Brother in Christ. AND they don't judge me and my older Brother who's in Sacamento CA.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match over Baptists and Catholics, I don't believe in either of you. End of story. But I have to say, In all my life I've never heard a Baptist call the Pope a "great man."

 

[TX-Beau]

The Church is slow in many areas and rightly so. The Church has known since the advancements of the telescope that the earh revolves around the sun, and sometime later realizes that the earth is in fact rounded, so what! Big Deal. What they did back in 1992, was an official exonoration of Gallileo. So, The Church knew about the eart and the sun before 1992.

You said the Catholic Church relies on science which is just patently false.

 

[TX-Beau]

Oh since they locked up Galileo? then graciously exonerated him centuries later, after it was no longer at all possible to deny he was right?

Tel me, exactly how the Catholic church relies on science?

Be specific.

 

[dj415]

Even though I feel comfortable being affectionate with my bf and it feels natural.. I see lesbians kissing and gay men holding hands and something feels weird.. like I'm not used to it.. maybe its the str8 community brainwashing me. The str8 community says we are all sluts and think only about sex... I look at the gay men I know personally and its somewhat true... Someone help me and give me a boost of confidence!

I've been around so much "gayness" that when I see "straight" people kiss, hold hands, etc. it looks weird to me.

 

[bankside]

Ya' got a good point there Madonna, don'tchaknow?

ahahhaah. that was funny. and a little scary

 

[EwanSF]

EwanSF,
WHY? I have personally experienced His presence in my life in the past. I have had a very well grounded personal relationship with my Creator, and since 2005, I lost him and I am trying to find my way back to him. I was a Catholic Religious for 9 years of my life til 2005. Those 9 years were the happiest times. Like I told the Hospital Chaplin. I will not and cannot deny who and what I am, and that I was born this way, and he said that there's no sin in that.

Then, to be frank, I have nothing but disgust for you. Grow a fuckin' spine.

 

[EwanSF]

It's the fact that you need permission to do things that come natural to you. As I said. Grow a fuckin' spine.

 

[bankside]

That is just one of my issues with churches; the idea of turning adults into pretend children who can be sent to their rooms for not doing their chores.

Adults have to accept self-responsibility and exercise self-discipline, not ritual discipline from symbolic parents, not imaginary supernatural discipline, and not imaginary supernatural forgiveness.

 

[elvnguardian]

Once again, Sociology can answer all of Life's questions.

We are all programmed by Society around us, so, when we're indoctrinated by Disney movies from the age of 2 all of which involve the boy saving/getting the girl, you learn early on that that is the norm.

Later, when you find out that boys like other boys and girls like other girls, it can be very confusing, because generally that stage is reached somewhere in your teens, a main-stream prime-time media still focuses on the male/female relationship. And let's face it, Parenting and Parental interaction in today's society is considerably lax in comparison to just 20 years ago, so, we're all pretty much raised by TV (and now the internet, but thank God for content filtering, otherwise someone might actually learn something).

So, Late-teens/early-Twenties (if your lucky) you're still malleable (a little) but you've got to work through a good 2 decades worth of social programing to redefine, your bound to still have a few issues to work through.