What if Jesus never died?

[kallipolis]

Since there are a lot of threads about Jesus lately, I wonder, what do you guys think would have happened, if Jesus stood alive? Would he have been made king?

Any ideas and input is welcome.

Even kings die, and Jesus definitely died. Whether he died by crucifixion, or natural causes is another discussion.

If he did not die he would celebrating his 2012th birthday in a few days which might suggest that he is immortal.

I note that you are not offering your opinion, despite seeking the views of others.

 

[kallipolis]

Very well.
My RE. teacher told me that if Jesus lived, he would be the ruler of this world, and we would live in a world of love, light and order, and the world would progress towards peace.

My opinion is that he wouldn't rule. I think he would place decisions in our hand, but he would show us direction towards the "right" path. He would wander the world as an anonymus figure and he would make some amazing impressions on people. I say this because I think Jesus was a people person.

Each of us is granted freedom to make our own choices and take responsibility for those decisions leading me to believe that those who follow the guidance of The Saviour, are encouraged to make life affirming choices that reflect our devotion to serving the common good.

 

[Telstra]

Do you mean god or Jesus?

Jesus was a man and of course he was dead !!!
And he didn't rise again.

 

[Spensed]

Assuming Jesus was an actual historical figure, what he said indicates that his kingdom is not of this world, so, even if he was never to die as a man, he would likely not be ruling anything here.

If Jesus never died, he would never have been resurrected and atoned for our sins, etc., etc. So he wouldn't be Jesus.

This is the metaphysical version of speculating "what-ifs" about Batman or Superman. One can make it up as one goes along.

 

[Laufey]

If he hadn't died then he would have been able to trick more people with his magic tricks

 

[Spensed]

^ That's the point. If one believes in this stuff, Jesus' death and resurrection vindicates him and makes his "magic" real. If one doesn't believe in it, then not so much or at all.

 

[kallipolis]

If he hadn't died then he would have been able to trick more people with his magic tricks

That you say so, it must be so.

Those who were witnesses to Jesus' life believed otherwise and their testimony, rather than your miserable attempt at humour persuades me that Jesus was no magician.

 

[kallipolis]

None of you answered my question ^^
But whatever

You may care to rephrase your question that I may better appreciate, even understand your thoughts for as your original question stands it's confusing and lacks the necessary clarity for me to offer you my thoughts.

 

[Telstra]

None of you answered my question ^^
But whatever

Yes i did.
Jesus was dead.
You mean god never died ? sure but what is god ?

 

[Laufey]

That you say so, it must be so.

Those who were witnesses to Jesus' life believed otherwise and their testimony, rather than your miserable attempt at humour persuades me that Jesus was no magician.

I believe Jesus was a real person and I believe he was a magician. I wasn't trying to be funny.

Google it... I'm far from being the only one.

 

[kallipolis]

I believe Jesus was a real person and I believe he was a magician. I wasn't trying to be funny.

Google it... I'm far from being the only one.

There is absolutely no evidence known to me to indicate that Jesus was a magician.

If you have access to such evidence then I would happy if you would provide us with same, even a link to a site discussing this matter.

Thank you.

 

[palbert]

The question is meaningless unless and until we determine he lived.

 

[kallipolis]

The question is meaningless unless and until we determine he lived.

That's a question that the predictable spoilers on this forum insist on regurgitating, with grim determination while they choose to ignore the written testimony of Jesus' friends that I often post on this forum to testify to Jesus' ministry in Palestine.

That the spoilers insist on rejecting the testimony of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John speaks more to intellectual dishonesty, than a willingness to engage in serious discussion.

 

[palbert]

That's a question that the predictable spoilers on this forum insist on regurgitating, with grim determination while they choose to ignore the written testimony of Jesus' friends that I often post on this forum to testify to Jesus' ministry in Palestine.

That the spoilers insist on rejecting the testimony of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John speaks more to intellectual dishonesty, than a willingness to engage in serious discussion.

I await proof of the existence of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

1,500 years from now Paul Leto Maud d'hib and Frodo Baggins may be thought to have lived.

Persistence and vehemance in advocating the unproved does not establish its veracity.

 

[kallipolis]

I await proof of the existence of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

1,500 years from now Paul Leto Maud d'hib and Frodo Baggins may be thought to have lived.

Persistence and vehemance in advocating the unproved does not establish its veracity.

I belong to an Internet philosophy group specialising in the works of ancient Greek philosophers and occasionally we also face spoilers who invade and post similar demands on our discussion board expecting us to present irrefutable evidence that Socrates lived, and was the author of the words regularly attributed to him. My standard reply is to invite the interloper to waste their time posting somewhere else and let those of us who believe Socrates lived alone to discuss his written works. I trust that my diplomatic reply is crystal clear?

Furthermore, if Jesus did not live then Christianity is the greatest hoax ever imposed on the human race, with the further thought that the alleged hoax has survived intact for 2000 years. Some hoax! And a hell of a lot of very stupid, gullible human beings who have been fooled over the centuries even, including me!!!

 

[HoodedRat]

[STRIKE]Furthermore, if Jesus did not live then [/STRIKE]Christianity is the greatest hoax ever imposed on the human race,[STRIKE] with the further thought that the alleged hoax has survived intact for 2000 years. Some hoax! [/STRIKE]And a hell of a lot of very stupid, gullible human beings [STRIKE]who[/STRIKE] have been fooled over the centuries even, including me!!!

I agree with you word for word ... well, except for the bits I've struck out.

 

[kallipolis]

I agree with you word for word ... well, except for the bits I've struck out.

You're late arriving. Where were you for I was missing you - just like a hole in the head

 

[palbert]

I belong to an Internet philosophy group specialising in the works of ancient Greek philosophers and occasionally we also face spoilers who invade and post similar demands on our discussion board expecting us to present irrefutable evidence that Socrates lived, and was the author of the words regularly attributed to him. My standard reply is to invite the interloper to waste their time posting somewhere else and let those of us who believe Socrates lived alone to discuss his written works. I trust that my diplomatic reply is crystal clear? ....

I do not doubt Socrates lived;

Puerile intimidation will get you nowhere.

Muhammad is more likely to have lived than Jesus.

 

[Telstra]

Of course Jesus existed no doubt.
But he didn't do what was written, like water turns into wine, walk on water, raise the dead ... etc.
Finally he wasn't born from a virgin, he was dead and didn't raise again.

 

[kallipolis]

I do not doubt Socrates lived;

Puerile intimidation will get you nowhere.

Muhammad is more likely to have lived than Jesus.

More robust replies will now be part of my armoury in response to those who choose to spend their time on this forum playing silly games, and choosing to ignore the contributions that I make here.