What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

[Alnitak]

No kidding!

Their handling of this issue is piss poor.

 

[rareboy]

Woohoo.

We're back in business in Nevada.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/ma...8/supreme-court-marriage-equality-back-nevada

 

[T-Rexx]

We had a a real lull for a while where it seemed like people were over this issue, but I've noticed a serious uptick in fundie hysteria anywhere this is being discussed the last few days.

It's like their last mad gasp before finally surrendering to the inevitable.

I've noticed that, too.

The fundies seem to believe gay marriage will be the nail that seals the coffin on their authority. They have warned of the certainty of the Satanic destruction of civilization by gay marriage for decades. When things actually improve because of it, they think all their followers will abandon them because they were wrong. But that's just absurd.

William Miller predicted the world would end by March 21, 1844. Many of his followers sold everything they owned in anticipation of the cataclysm. When nothing happened, Miller said it would be April 18, 1844. Again, nothing happened. One of his followers then recalculated the end date as October 22, 1844. Strangely, that, too, was just an ordinary day.

So, did people abandon their belief in this guy when none of his teachings proved to be anywhere close to reality? Of course not! They went on to fashion these (obviously divinely-inspired) ideas into the doctrine of one of the largest churches on earth.

The point is that the fundies think we are going to destroy their religion because our success in marriage will prove their emperor has no clothes. That's just crazy. Religions have never depended on reality to convince people of the value of supporting them. They could preach that cats are alien robots and that that water is an intelligent life form. It would not matter. People would still gather once a week, tell them how much they appreciate their amazing insights into life, and give them lots of money.

 

[Ninja108]

Individual counties are coming out on their own initiative as they are entitled to do.

The Tenth Judicial Circuit of Kansas will accept applications.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bzc5Q3sCMAAjw5r.png

Richmond County, SC has done the same in addition to Charleston.

None from North Carolina, West Virginia, or Wyoming have done so as of this post.

I read the SC AG is going to go to the State Supreme Court and ask them to order the judges to stop it.
They are going to drag this out to the bitter end.

 

[Ninja108]

Further updates, it looks like some counties in Kansas will now be issuing licenses.

 

[JackinSea]

It seems NV is on hold until at least tomorrow. In NC, the atty general is advising clerks that he intends to consider the Fourth Circuit's decision as "official guidance" from now on.

 

[MEP2491]

Im happy this is happening. Dont know if peoples minds are changing or if they are scared about the public outcry but whatever it is, im glad its happening. Its been a long time coming.

 

[hotatlboi]

Holy fuck, Kennedy just put out his THIRD order for the day and restayed marriages in NV. He must be high on something.

 

[scream4ever]

^^^It appears to be an error reported by one news site. They must've confused it with the Coalition's request for a stay pending.

 

[JackinSea]

No one wants a stay in Nevada! An anti-marriage judge threw a stinkbomb on the way out and refused to sign the paperwork making same sex licenses official by "recusing himself" at the last minute, so another judge will have to do it (tomorrow).

 

[hotatlboi]

^^^It appears to be an error reported by one news site. They must've confused it with the Coalition's request for a stay pending.

Well that's good. Not surprising the news can't even figure this out it's been so poorly executed.

 

[Alnitak]

Is John Roberts a Gay Marriage Swing Vote?

Following the Supreme Court’s surprising refusal to review a group of major marriage equality cases on Monday, court-watchers quickly came to a general consensus: It’s over. Instantly, the court’s move brought gay marriage to five states.

...

The question, then, is no longer whether the Supreme Court will eventually rule in favor of marriage equality. The question is which justices will wind up on the winning side of the vote.

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For years, court-watchers have whispered that [Justice Roberts] might be “get-able” on gay marriage. Now the issue is, once again, at the court’s doorstep. Is there any reason to think Roberts will swing to the left this time around?

 

[frankfrank]

And the Democrats. Honestly, FDR started it when he threatened to stack the Court.

Exactly. That's why I didn't mention Republicans, because almost equally we almost always can guess accurately how Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsberg will vote on any Court case based on issues that tend to be partisan.

And, meanwhile, the past 24 hours (in some posts above) has Kennedy acting like a Republican hack...AGAIN.

Why in the fuck is he putting stays on this stuff? Any theories?

 

[Ninja108]

No one wants a stay in Nevada! An anti-marriage judge threw a stinkbomb on the way out and refused to sign the paperwork making same sex licenses official by "recusing himself" at the last minute, so another judge will have to do it (tomorrow).

It's the same judge who ruled against us in the first place. This simply shows that he was in fact biased against our side from the start.

 

[Ninja108]

Exactly. That's why I didn't mention Republicans, because almost equally we almost always can guess accurately how Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsberg will vote on any Court case based on issues that tend to be partisan.

And, meanwhile, the past 24 hours (in some posts above) has Kennedy acting like a Republican hack...AGAIN.

Why in the fuck is he putting stays on this stuff? Any theories?

Because the 9th circuit jumped the gun with ID. They haven't even had a chance to appeal before the court ordered ID to start allowing marriages.
Not how it works sad to say, wish I could say otherwise. ID gets to appeal and drag this out a bit more.

 

[Alnitak]

Active case list:

State	Case	Status
Michigan	DeBoer v. Snyder	Pending 6th Circuit opinion
Arkansas	Wright v. Arkansas (state)	AR Supreme Court to schedule court date
	Jernigan v. Crane	Motion for summary judgment filed
Kentucky	Kentucky Equality Fed. v. Beshear (state)	Pending opinion
	Love v. Beshear	Pending 6th Circuit opinion
Texas	DeLeon v. Perry	5th Circuit to schedule oral arguments
Idaho	Latta v. Otter	Pending 9th Circuit en banc appeal
Arizona	Connolly v. Roche	Pending district judge opinion or court date
	Majors v. Horne	Briefs due in district court 10/27
Louisiana	Robicheaux v. George	Briefs due 11/14; will be assigned same court date as DeLeon
Florida	Pareto v. Ruvin (state)	Pending appeal to FL 3rd Circuit or FL Supreme Court
	Huntsman v. Heavilin (state)	Consolidated with Pareto
	Brenner v. Scott	Pending 11th Circuit appeal; state brief due 10/15
Wyoming	Courage v. Wyoming (state)	Briefs due 11/17 Court date 12/15
	Guzzo v. Mead	Filed 10/7 and pending defendants' answer
Georgia	Inniss v. Aderhold	Pending motion to dismiss
Alaska	Hamby v. Parnell	Hearing 10/10
Montana	Rolando v. Fox	Status conference 6/29/15
South Dakota	Rosenbrahn v. Daugaard	Pending motion for summary judgment
North Dakota	Ramsay v. Dalrymple	Briefs filed 9/5
Missouri	Lawson v. Kelly	In discovery
	State of Missouri v. Carpenter (state)	Pending district court opinion
Puerto Rico (territory)	Conde-Vidal v. Ruis-Armendariz	Pending motion for summary judgment

In addition the cases in West Virginia and North Carolina have been reactivated in order to continue under the 4th Circuit ruling, and the Nevada case is simply waiting on orders from the US District Court. Those cases with pending motions have not been assigned briefing schedules or court dates.

 

[JackinSea]

Basically, Idaho is saying that because the Ninth used "heightened scrutiny" that makes their decision "different" from the fourth and tenth ones, so SCOTUS needs to consider taking it up (or not) all over again.

Re: Missouri ... I believe they are now recognizing out-of-state licenses.

 

[Ninja108]

Nothing from the 6th circuit today.

 

[palbert]

I know people are chomping at the bit to get married but it really pisses me off that courts, clerks, and state officers - on both sides of the question - are not letting the legal procedures - as ponderous as they are - run their natural course.

 

[Alnitak]

I know people are chomping at the bit to get married but it really pisses me off that courts, clerks, and state officers - on both sides of the question - are not letting the legal procedures - as ponderous as they are - run their natural course.

First of all, you are allowed to follow judicial precedent from an appellate court voluntarily, without orders from a judge in your own jurisdiction.

Second, let me remind you what is at stake.

'Lost Rights Cause Harm Each Day': The Costs of the Supreme Court's Refusal to Hear a Same-Sex Marriage Case

In short, delay in marriage equality means that many would-be spouses remain uninsured or underinsured, depriving those with physical or mental health issues of life-changing medical care. Delay in marriage equality means a delay in educational opportunity for those who could not afford it without benefits gained through a spouse; if the delay is lengthy, it may shape the course of a career. The delay may interfere with the experience of parenthood for those who wish to bring children into their family but hesitate to do so without the protections afforded by legal marriage. Delay may increase income tax liability. Delay complicates the disposal of estates among even the most devoted domestic partners. Delay risks preventing beloved relatives, particularly those who are elderly or in poor health, from sharing in the joy of seeing their children, grandchildren, nieces, and nephews wed the people they love. Delay imposes immense psychological and emotional costs on the thousands of couples waiting anxiously to learn whether they can legally marry. And for some couples -- those where one or both people are elderly or seriously ill -- delay might foreclose marriage altogether.

But nevermind the human cost, apparently legal procedures are more important to you.