I agree. I would never date a Christian either. It would be too weird and it would never work. I am a devoted atheist. I try to enlighten people about what atheism really is, because I am damn proud of not believing in anything. I believe in humans, and what humans can accomplish. I do not believe there is a God out there who has the power over us, or that he should tell us how to act and what to think.. like WTF?!?! that isn't being human at all. Being human is not being in a pack following whatever some dude tells you to believe. You should make your own path based on your own beliefs, not because it's in a 2000 year old book. Humans are created to think for themselves. We don't need a fucking book telling us what is right or wrong, we can make our own decisions. Most people know what's right or wrong. We don't need anything to tell us that.
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What religion do you belong to?
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I agree. I would never date a Christian either. It would be too weird and it would never work. I am a devoted atheist. I try to enlighten people about what atheism really is, because I am damn proud of not believing in anything. I believe in humans, and what humans can accomplish. I do not believe there is a God out there who has the power over us, or that he should tell us how to act and what to think.. like WTF?!?! that isn't being human at all. Being human is not being in a pack following whatever some dude tells you to believe. You should make your own path based on your own beliefs, not because it's in a 2000 year old book. Humans are created to think for themselves. We don't need a fucking book telling us what is right or wrong, we can make our own decisions. Most people know what's right or wrong. We don't need anything to tell us that.
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Your posting is typical of most of the Atheists on JUB...I believe that YOU believe you respect another person's Christian Faith but the reality is you do not..Your posting is PROOF.....All you had to say was that you would not date a Christian simply because of your beliefs...End of story.....No one needed to read your thoughts about "the fucking christian book" that you despise..You didnt SHOW respect you showed total Anger...
You did the usual Atheist-Angry rant. You claim you respect another person's belief then in the SAME posting you TRASH the belief/faith. I have yet to EVER read anything sincere from an Atheist-Juber..
As a matter of Fact from what I've read in the last 3yrs 99% of the Atheist Jubers seem to be very Angry. Why in the Hell are any of you ANGRY when you claim not to believe in a Damn thing? You should be happy-go-lucky... So not only would I not date an Atheist but if MOST of you are stuck-on-ANGRY I don't even want you as a friend.
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Unlike the both of you(and Majestic, you of all people calling out "angry" people is an exercise in hypocrisy, but hey, if I can't have a laugh at irony why am I here?), I would date a Christian - hell, any deist - and have successfully. Am doing so currently.
It says to me that some people on this earth can love their "god" very much, carry on a private(and probably a public) love with it without damning everyone else that doesn't agree or believe. You're both extremes, and I don't deal with them - I laugh at them. And how are you going to scold her on going on and on about her thoughts? Hell, all you had to say is that you were a Christian - you didn't have to go on about how you won't date atheists because your walk is too personal and you share everything and bla bla bla(not that I'm butthurt by it - but you obviously didn't like seeing the other side); practice what you... preach.
Good on your select choices though. Glad I don't bump into it often in real life.
It says to me that some people on this earth can love their "god" very much, carry on a private(and probably a public) love with it without damning everyone else that doesn't agree or believe. You're both extremes, and I don't deal with them - I laugh at them. And how are you going to scold her on going on and on about her thoughts? Hell, all you had to say is that you were a Christian - you didn't have to go on about how you won't date atheists because your walk is too personal and you share everything and bla bla bla(not that I'm butthurt by it - but you obviously didn't like seeing the other side); practice what you... preach.
Good on your select choices though. Glad I don't bump into it often in real life.
Uhm.. how is this worse than you saying you would never date an atheist? this is just proof that Christians are hypocrites and can't deal with others having no faith. I just turned it around on you. You started it by saying YOU would not date someone without a fate. I followed it with I would never date someone WITH a faith, because I just don't think we would get along. I have many Christian friends, thank you very much. But it's different in a relationship. Yes, I want someone with the same faith as me. What is wrong with that? You said the exact same thing as me, but I am the one getting called out on it?!?! riiight.
I am not angry at all. I just think faith is ridiculous and that nobody should be forced to follow such a ridiculous thing. I answered OP's question. You say all atheists are angry. Fine, then I guess you don't have any problems with my saying Christians are brainwashed? It's just as bad. You attack me for what I say, when what you say is nothing better.
xRemyx
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Raised Eastern Orthodox. Now I'm atheist.
SuenosAsi
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I'd like to answer your question about anger, but first I'd like to say that I respect other people's right to choose their own belief systems, I can't say I respect those beliefs. I don't see the merit in it and I think that most of the time, religious belief is an uncritical one, one that hasn't been questioned. It's hard to respect people who believe something they're unwilling to think about in an honest way. I certainly can't say that this is the case for you, personally, but that's my feeling about most theists.
As for the anger, I can say only that I am personally very angry at Christianity and most of its practitioners. I am happy to live my life in an atheist fashion without pushing it down the throats of others, but I find that this is not always the case for theists (certainly there are those who are private about their beliefs - and since this forum is exclusively about religion, I think it's fair to bring it up here).
By pushing religion down my throat, I'm referring to myriad examples of (mostly) Christians assuming the primacy of their own religion and being ignorant of non-believers. For example, having references to mythological creatures plastered all over money, having references to these beings in the pledge of allegiance (which children are all but forced to say), or having religious people attempting to legislate my life according to their ridiculous (and completely inconsistent!) beliefs.
I also really love the crying and hand-wringing that is such a perennial favorite of certain theists. There was a shirt I saw a woman wearing that said something along the lines of "God, why aren't you in my school?" "Child, because I'm not allowed in your school." There is so much wrong with this, but I'll just start with the ridiculous claim that an omnipotent deity capable for creating the universe must obey some impotent court's ruling? HA! Who knew it would be so easy?! Some theists won't be happy until we're spending 5 minutes of already dwindling instructional time in public schools pandering to the official recognition of their particular deity in order that they can feel justified in their beliefs.
My pet peeve du jour is Mr. Tim Tebow, whose public antics resembling prayer should be offensive not just to me but to genuine Christians everywhere. Allow me to quote his holy book to him (something I LOVE to do): Matthew 6:5 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward." Just as I keep my sex life in private, for god(')s(') sake, please keep your religious life in private, too.
And finally, can we just tax the religious organizations already? I can't see why they should be tax-free organizations unless they're willing to engage in the same kind of open-book auditing that other tax-free organizations go through (non-profits and educational institutions). I just don't understand why the government is subsidizing religious institutions via tax breaks. It also puts the government (via the IRS) in the uneasy (and unconstitutional) position of establishing religions (why am I not an adherent of SuenosAsism? I want tax-free status for my income!!).
Okay... end rant. I'm sorry you were personally attacked - it doesn't seem fair to say in one sentence that you respect another person's beliefs and then attack those beliefs (although now that I read it over I can't see where sokker said he respected your beliefs...). At least I am honest in saying that I don't respect most theists' beliefs - but I respect their right to have them.
Right now, I'm neither and adherent nor advocate of any religion (I regard the structures of very temporal authority and presumption of knowledge where there is none to be had that we call "religions" as corrosive to any genuine exploration of metaphysics; only by putting down the assumptions and proscriptions of tradition, and genuinely considering beyond the parameters they impose, can one truly explore the highly personal anatomy of metaphor and abstraction that constitutes one's metaphysics). Technically, I am an atheist, in that I do not believe in any particular claim concerning gods or divinities (those who presume to talk on behalf of such entities more often than not demonstrate very little of the grace and enlightenment I'd presume connection to such entities would engender), but am fully open to the notion that there may be entities out there in reality that fulfil the criteria of what we call "gods" (though I doubt very much they'd evince much of the characteristics tradition and mythology attaches to them).
If there are such entities out there, I want to explore and interact with them on their own terms; not by imposing assumptions on them based upon what I require from them philosophically. Until such entities make themselves known in some overt and evident way, it doesn't hurt my existence at all to operate under the assumptions that reality thus far provides, i.e. that such things do not exist, or at least do not exist in any way that human beings can evidently interact with.
I'm also an ardent mythologist: though the power structures built up around traditional mythologies generally appall me, I think that, taken as what they are, i.e. structures of storytelling and metaphor which may serve as freights for expression and exploration of essential humanity, mythologies such as those comprised by the biblical and koranic books, the ancient greek, the celtic, the mesopotamian etc serve as fantastic bases or vehicles for personal, metaphysical considerations.
If there are such entities out there, I want to explore and interact with them on their own terms; not by imposing assumptions on them based upon what I require from them philosophically. Until such entities make themselves known in some overt and evident way, it doesn't hurt my existence at all to operate under the assumptions that reality thus far provides, i.e. that such things do not exist, or at least do not exist in any way that human beings can evidently interact with.
I'm also an ardent mythologist: though the power structures built up around traditional mythologies generally appall me, I think that, taken as what they are, i.e. structures of storytelling and metaphor which may serve as freights for expression and exploration of essential humanity, mythologies such as those comprised by the biblical and koranic books, the ancient greek, the celtic, the mesopotamian etc serve as fantastic bases or vehicles for personal, metaphysical considerations.
It's not really a case of either/or; I, for example, am an agnostic atheist; agnostic in the sense that I don't presume or proclaim knowledge whether or not something analogous to gods or divinities exist, atheist in the sense that I don't currently have any good reason to believe they do.
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -Richard Dawkins
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Buddhist, and it most definitely seems like a religion to me.
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Is it not amazing how much time and space the concept of religion occupies?
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80% Atheist, 20% Pagan.
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What you post is this?
You ask me why I am an atheist. I tell you when you explain to me why you don't believe in other Gods outside of your own you will have your answer.
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You left out Agnosticism. I believe in a higher force that has a sound basis in physics, math, social science, and biology. I also believe in an afterlife that exists along the space-time continuum. As an agnostic, I cannot deny the possibility that the higher force I do believe in could be the Christian God. Nothing disproves that, but nothing proves it, as well.
I'm no theologian, but when you say "I believe in..." it doesn't strike me as agnostic. Agnosticism as I understand it is the assertion that we can't know either way, and so to say you believe in something doesn't really seem to fit (I've always thought that agnosticism was a "non-belief", just as atheism is). To me your position seems more "deist", which (again, as I understand it) is the belief in some higher power (whether it be "nature" or something else) without the subscription to a personal god that (micro)manages the day to day goings on in the universe.
I'm not saying how you identify is wrong, just curious because your definition differs from the one I was familiar with.
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I'm a Christian for sure. I love God. I have a good relationship with some ministers from a few different Christian faiths. I don't think I could fully identify with just one church as I do have problems with organized religion for the tendancy to spur intolerance or bigotry.
That said, I do tend to go to very liberal and open minded congregations. My husband and I were married at the United Church of Canada. The church has a full library of gay and lesbian literature, open to the public. They partake in a series of workshops to make life better for gay youth in the community. They proudly hang a pride flag next to the Canadoan flag... I feel very comfortable at their church.
But sometimes I just love going to the old cathedrals and feel the presence of God. It's a big part of my life.
That said, I do tend to go to very liberal and open minded congregations. My husband and I were married at the United Church of Canada. The church has a full library of gay and lesbian literature, open to the public. They partake in a series of workshops to make life better for gay youth in the community. They proudly hang a pride flag next to the Canadoan flag... I feel very comfortable at their church.
But sometimes I just love going to the old cathedrals and feel the presence of God. It's a big part of my life.