What the Hell is Wrong with these Soldiers?

[Ninja108]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

The problem is the same men are being sent overseas over and over again,the human mind can only take so much.
In the same breath,the more and more stuff that comes out about Bales,the more and more it appears he was simply a time bomb waiting to go off.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

The problem is the same men are being sent overseas over and over again,the human mind can only take so much.
In the same breath,the more and more stuff that comes out about Bales,the more and more it appears he was simply a time bomb waiting to go off.

He had "it" in him before serving as he was arresting numerous times and cheated some people out of $1.5 million. He was a loser from day 1.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

lol @ too young. We've been in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade. You've had plenty of opportunities to serve where age isn't a basis for an excuse.

So of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who serve our armed forces, you're pointing out the few bad apples that got international news coverage as somehow indicative of our "current lot."

That makes perfect sense. I guess we're all child molesters because that one guy in Minnesota molested a boy.

 

[bankside]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I think it is not a good day for your country if you would prefer your soldiers to snap overseas and kill their innocent civilians rather than your own. There was once an ideal that a human life was a human life. Better countries understood that; it forged treaties on the laws of war.

I would also argue, however, that in any large armed force, not all will be fit for the task. The action of the two soldiers cited is not the sum total of all that is wrong, but it does not define the other soldiers who are doing their jobs with deliberate care as part of an international coalition which I was glad to see my country support.

 

[Apollo]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I was too young to serve in Afghanistan, but I would have then. Unfortunately, this country likes wars and goes to war without thinking first so it shouldn't come as a surprise that I will not serve this country in this capacity; I value my life and any innocent civilian's life too much to do so.

Well that's pure bullshit. If you want, you should go join up now and help out all of us stressed out troops going over there multiple times.

If your still too young, you might want to get off JUB. I doubt your too old, I know people in their 30's joining the military.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

lol @ too young. We've been in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade. You've had plenty of opportunities to serve where age isn't a basis for an excuse.

So of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who serve our armed forces, you're pointing out the few bad apples that got international news coverage as somehow indicative of our "current lot."

That makes perfect sense. I guess we're all child molesters because that one guy in Minnesota molested a boy.

If I enlisted this second, I could tell the army where I don't want to be deployed?

Of course not. I'm never EVER serving this damn country militarily. We have a War Machine going that's several times bigger than Apple and Microsoft combined. This country gets pissed at the USPS for delivering a piece of mail a day or two late, but doesn't want any rush to judgments when it comes to critiquing our military and its misadventures.

It isn't a few bad apples either. Do you remember at the beginning of the Iraq war we had soldiers that killed an Iraqi family, raped the daughters and then incinerated their bodies to destroy any possible forensic evidence? And the military was left to investigate this crime. Enron folded when it doctored its balance sheets; our War Machine Inc. has gotten even bigger since then despite it being a drain on our budget. We must cut spending on road maintenance and education, but we can't cut our expenditures for our war.

GTFO.

How many days do you think it will be before the next incident comes out about a soldier doing something idiot or criminal?

 

[andysayshi]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Lostlover has been giving the US military advice for at least four years now, but apparently still hasn't found the time to get out of his bedroom to visit the recruitment office and show them how it should done.

Unfortunately, when you gather a few hundred thousand people into any organisation, a few of them will be loose cannons. When you place those people in unthinkably horrific and stressful situations for months at a time, over and over again, and give them guns and bombs to carry, occasionally things go horribly, tragically wrong.

The thread title is either incredibly insensitive and arrogant, or just plain trolling.

 

[JB3]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Lostlover has been giving the US military advice for at least four years now, but apparently still hasn't found the time to get out of his bedroom to visit the recruitment office and show them how it should done.

Unfortunately, when you gather a few hundred thousand people into any organisation, a few of them will be loose cannons. When you place those people in unthinkably horrific and stressful situations for months at a time, over and over again, and give them guns and bombs to carry, occasionally things go horribly, tragically wrong.

The thread title is either incredibly insensitive and arrogant, or just plain trolling.

Trolling, plain and simple.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I think it is not a good day for your country if you would prefer your soldiers to snap overseas and kill their innocent civilians rather than your own. There was once an ideal that a human life was a human life. Better countries understood that; it forged treaties on the laws of war.

I would also argue, however, that in any large armed force, not all will be fit for the task. The action of the two soldiers cited is not the sum total of all that is wrong, but it does not define the other soldiers who are doing their jobs with deliberate care as part of an international coalition which I was glad to see my country support.

I'm convinced that there was no background check done on Bales since he had a criminal record and a $1.5 million judgment placed against him. Don't you generally have to pay up when you lose a lawsuit? There's no way he could afford paying the $1.5 million that he owed investors unless maybe he was a General or some high ranking officer, which he wasn't being a college drop out.

Like I said earlier, people give postal workers crap for delivering mail late. Yet, no one calls for a review of our military after major incidences except when it is a Islamist soldier killing other soldiers.

I understand people here that haven't condemned these incidences want a War Machine that's ready to attack any threat they feel. But at what cost?

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

@LostLover
Then don't make a generalizing and insulting title that gives an impression you mean most soldiers in the U.S. military.

You should go serve like these men have. See how you feel afterwards after serving 2-4 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The key word in my title is "these." "These" as in the many that have gotten in trouble over the years for murder, rape, drug smuggling, money laundering, etc.

"These" doesn't mean all or even most of the soldiers.

(I couldn't add this above to a post I made earlier as I went past the 20 minute edit limit.)

 

[maxpowr9]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I somewhat respect you lostlover but you dug your own hole and threw the dirt on top of it when you make generalizations. You should know by now that when you do that in CE&P, people will pounce on you from all directions.

I don't consider the two friends I had that were KIA in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts "losers". Hell, one of them was a West Point grad.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I somewhat respect you lostlover but you dug your own hole and threw the dirt on top of it when you make generalizations. You should know by now that when you do that in CE&P, people will pounce on you from all directions.

I don't consider the two friends I had that were KIA in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts "losers". Hell, one of them was a West Point grad.

"These" in the thread title is the key word. I wasn't talk about all or even most.

Like I said earlier, I have relatives in the army. One of my classmates graduated from the Naval Academy. One of the people that wrote me a letter of recommendation is a three-star general. I know there are many bright people in the army.

I'm talking about the Bales, the Steins, the [Lindsey] Englands...

 

[jackoroe]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

No, you've once again painted with that broad brush you love so much. Here's your own words belying your position.

(I won't even go into this Army loser they hired at my work. Vets have affirmative action where they're actually given cheat points for serving. All this sounds fine and dandy, but this ain't your grandfather's generation of soldiers.)

So, the new employee is an "Army loser"? Veteran's preference is a means of recognizing that this man has given up a portion of his life, to defend the rights of people to make fools of themselves. It isn't affirmative action, nor are they cheat points.

Rather than ridicule and belittle his sacrifice, why not just say "Thank you for your service"?

 

[LittleDove]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Veteran's preference is a means of recognizing that this man has given up a portion of his life, to defend the rights of people to make [STRIKE]fools[/STRIKE] tools of themselves.

^ A bit of judicious editing to better fit the individual circumstances ^ .

 

[kallipolis]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Lostlover has been giving the US military advice for at least four years now, but apparently still hasn't found the time to get out of his bedroom to visit the recruitment office and show them how it should done.

Unfortunately, when you gather a few hundred thousand people into any organisation, a few of them will be loose cannons. When you place those people in unthinkably horrific and stressful situations for months at a time, over and over again, and give them guns and bombs to carry, occasionally things go horribly, tragically wrong.

The thread title is either incredibly insensitive and arrogant, or just plain trolling.

A realistic assessment of the serving soldier, airman or sailor which applies to the armed forces of all countries.

 

[palemale]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

The sad fact is that anytime any country goes to war, there are going to be soldiers who commit atrocities who, but for their being in a war, would otherwise probably never have gotten in trouble in civilian life. This is one of the things that infuriates me about the chicken-hawks that are always agitating for us to get into another war.

The second Iraq war was so unpopular, people were not joining. The military had to lower their standards to unprecedented levels to meet their recruiting goals. The chickens quickly came home to roost.

The military also relied very heavily on National Guard troops, most of whom were not properly trained and were ill-prepared for duty at war. This partly explains the Abu-Graib nightmare.

I am outraged anytime a member of our military commits an atrocity and hope they are punished to the full extent of the law. At the same time, I am deeply troubled by the thought that their service in a war zone, or multiple tours of duty in a war zone, pushed them to commit a heinous act that they never would have in civilian life (or even military life outside a war zone).

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

No, you've once again painted with that broad brush you love so much. Here's your own words belying your position.



So, the new employee is an "Army loser"? Veteran's preference is a means of recognizing that this man has given up a portion of his life, to defend the rights of people to make fools of themselves. It isn't affirmative action, nor are they cheat points.

Rather than ridicule and belittle his sacrifice, why not just say "Thank you for your service"?

For the bolded part: when were my rights ever in jeopardy? Who threatened to take them away? Osama? Saddam? Please tell me, because this is a talking point everyone uses that just isn't fact based. I, truly, would like an answer to this, because this statement is the usual rebuttal to any type of criticism and it doesn't make sense.

It was a mistake to hire the guy that they hired while I was gone. He is completely unprofessional; one of the first conversations that we had, he used foul language when he was telling me the difference between a Mexican and a "beaner" and a black and a "nigger." Did I mention that he's been MIA the last week? No one can get a hold of him.

You don't think that it is affirmative action when you give people an advantage not based on merits? Isn't that what you're doing when you hire someone that was a soldier partly because he's a soldier when you're in the finance industry? What part of being a soldier helped him know the difference between dividends and retained earnings? (Right before I took time off, I went through some applications. Some of the rejected applicants included a gentleman that was the CEO of a chemical company and the top Freemason for the state of New Mexico who was a VP at Dillard's.)

I personally like affirmative action. However, in a conservative state like Arizona and with a conservative group like soldiers, I'm surprised that it is being implemented with no reservations.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

The sad fact is that anytime any country goes to war, there are going to be soldiers who commit atrocities who, but for their being in a war, would otherwise probably never have gotten in trouble in civilian life. This is one of the things that infuriates me about the chicken-hawks that are always agitating for us to get into another war.
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The chickenhawks have Planned Parenthood, the USPS, the Social Security Administration and Medicare on a short leash. Every time they send out checks to dead people or report their budget dedicated to providing women abortions, you hear about it. Yet, when a soldier goes on a murderous rampage, the problem is just the soldier.

Give me 1,000 $500 toilet seats or slower mail service any day over killing innocent Afghans and not being able to assess what's wrong with the army.

Six-year-old article, but there are many valid points. Joe Schmo: How Low Can Army Recruiters Go? During the height of our military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiters were letting the lower tier into its ranks.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

No, you've once again painted with that broad brush you love so much. Here's your own words belying your position.

So, the new employee is an "Army loser"? Veteran's preference is a means of recognizing that this man has given up a portion of his life, to defend the rights of people to make fools of themselves. It isn't affirmative action, nor are they cheat points.

Rather than ridicule and belittle his sacrifice, why not just say "Thank you for your service"?

I'd be more likely to apologize to him for the fact that he was sent off by incompetents to do a job of dubious value.

As for the rest:

For the bolded part: when were my rights ever in jeopardy? Who threatened to take them away? Osama? Saddam? Please tell me, because this is a talking point everyone uses that just isn't fact based. I, truly, would like an answer to this, because this statement is the usual rebuttal to any type of criticism and it doesn't make sense.

It was a mistake to hire the guy that they hired while I was gone. He is completely unprofessional; one of the first conversations that we had, he used foul language when he was telling me the difference between a Mexican and a "beaner" and a black and a "nigger." Did I mention that he's been MIA the last week? No one can get a hold of him.

You don't think that it is affirmative action when you give people an advantage not based on merits? Isn't that what you're doing when you hire someone that was a soldier partly because he's a soldier when you're in the finance industry? What part of being a soldier helped him know the difference between dividends and retained earnings? (Right before I took time off, I went through some applications. Some of the rejected applicants included a gentleman that was the CEO of a chemical company and the top Freemason for the state of New Mexico who was a VP at Dillard's.)

Take note: LL and I agree about something.

 

[jackoroe]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

For the bolded part: when were my rights ever in jeopardy? Who threatened to take them away? Osama? Saddam? Please tell me, because this is a talking point everyone uses that just isn't fact based. I, truly, would like an answer to this, because this statement is the usual rebuttal to any type of criticism and it doesn't make sense.

It was a mistake to hire the guy that they hired while I was gone. He is completely unprofessional; one of the first conversations that we had, he used foul language when he was telling me the difference between a Mexican and a "beaner" and a black and a "nigger." Did I mention that he's been MIA the last week? No one can get a hold of him.

You don't think that it is affirmative action when you give people an advantage not based on merits? Isn't that what you're doing when you hire someone that was a soldier partly because he's a soldier when you're in the finance industry? What part of being a soldier helped him know the difference between dividends and retained earnings? (Right before I took time off, I went through some applications. Some of the rejected applicants included a gentleman that was the CEO of a chemical company and the top Freemason for the state of New Mexico who was a VP at Dillard's.)

I personally like affirmative action. However, in a conservative state like Arizona and with a conservative group like soldiers, I'm surprised that it is being implemented with no reservations.

If you don't know the answer to that question, you've got some serious issues. 9/11 ring any bells for you?

Your characterization of your co-worker was that he was a loser soldier. If you described him as being a bigot or unprofessional, that's fine. You chose to ridicule him because of his service. That's wrong, but I have no hope that you'll understand the difference.

Affirmative action has nothing to do with veteran's preference. Veteran's are recognized for having put their lives and ambitions on hold to serve our country by allowing them get a few points on a test. I think they've earned it. Go on down to your statehouse and protest if you disagree. You'll be quite lonely while doing so, I'm sure.