What the Hell is Wrong with these Soldiers?

[Apollo]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

This is what it's all about. Not a few bad apples in a large fighting force. To say because of a few, the whole lot is bad (your words, not mine) is offensive to all of us who serve everyday to ensure you don't have to, because you have that option. We ensure the draft is not necessary and your not shitting your pants if you drafted in the wrong service.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

If you don't know the answer to that question, you've got some serious issues. 9/11 ring any bells for you?

Your characterization of your co-worker was that he was a loser soldier. If you described him as being a bigot or unprofessional, that's fine. You chose to ridicule him because of his service. That's wrong, but I have no hope that you'll understand the difference.

Affirmative action has nothing to do with veteran's preference. Veteran's are recognized for having put their lives and ambitions on hold to serve our country by allowing them get a few points on a test. I think they've earned it. Go on down to your statehouse and protest if you disagree. You'll be quite lonely while doing so, I'm sure.

What rights did 9/11 threaten?

And what good does it do a business to have unearned points given to someone on a test, thus misrepresenting their ability to do a job?

Any system that introduces special treatment on the basis of anything other than what has a bearing on job performance is affirmative action.

 

[Just_Believe18]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

So I see you've turned your original "On-Topic" thread, LostLover, into a much larger vendetta against the U.S. military. I would agree that the federal government's spending on the military is absurd. However, you place much of your blame and anger on the soldiers themselves. There's a difference between the military-industrial complex, and the men and women who sacrifice and serve for this country. Your blame is wrongly placed and disingenuous to all of us who have served, or come from military families.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

If you don't know the answer to that question, you've got some serious issues. 9/11 ring any bells for you?

Your characterization of your co-worker was that he was a loser soldier. If you described him as being a bigot or unprofessional, that's fine. You chose to ridicule him because of his service. That's wrong, but I have no hope that you'll understand the difference.

Affirmative action has nothing to do with veteran's preference. Veteran's are recognized for having put their lives and ambitions on hold to serve our country by allowing them get a few points on a test. I think they've earned it. Go on down to your statehouse and protest if you disagree. You'll be quite lonely while doing so, I'm sure.

I know about 9/11. We weren't attacked because of our freedom of speech. (Why wasn't Sweden attacked then if it was really about freedom of speech?) When did Osama or Al Qaeda say they attacked us because we have the ability to speak our minds? 9/11 happened because a group of sub-humans thought we favored Israel and that we wanted to take over Islamic countries. Free speech never factored into their ideology; if it did, other countries could have been targeted.

Your response of 9/11 is a talking point. I'd hope that after 11 years, you'd know what the incident was really about.

I'm not sure if the new guy in the office is prejudiced or not as I can't get into his head. I do know that he has loose lips and this kind of behavior I would have sniffed out during the hiring process. Plus, I saw at least two applications that he couldn't have matched if the playing field was even.

People can choose to serve the country, but they can't choose their ethnicity which makes opposition to racial affirmative action all the more puzzling. Any time someone is given a preference not based on merits, it is affirmative action.

This is more of the same double talk that I hear from conservatives: socialism (Medicare, Social Security, etc.) is good for me, but not for others and affirmative action is good for some (soldiers) but not for others (racial minorities).

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

So I see you've turned your original "On-Topic" thread, LostLover, into a much larger vendetta against the U.S. military. I would agree that the federal government's spending on the military is absurd. However, you place much of your blame and anger on the soldiers themselves. There's a difference between the military-industrial complex, and the men and women who sacrifice and serve for this country. Your blame is wrongly placed and disingenuous to all of us who have served, or come from military families.

The soldiers don't decided where our War Marchine goes and does. I'm not blaming soldiers for our foreign policy.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

This is what it's all about. Not a few bad apples in a large fighting force. To say because of a few, the whole lot is bad (your words, not mine) is offensive to all of us who serve everyday to ensure you don't have to, because you have that option. We ensure the draft is not necessary and your not shitting your pants if you drafted in the wrong service.

Is this your letter? If so, thank you for serving.

I wish we all had to serve and share the burden. People wouldn't be so eager to get into a war without checking all the facts.

 

[JB3]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Is this your letter? If so, thank you for serving.

I wish we all had to serve and share the burden. People wouldn't be so eager to get into a war without checking all the facts.

Then quit bitching and go serve. Nothing's stopping you.

 

[Apollo]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Is this your letter? If so, thank you for serving.

I wish we all had to serve and share the burden. People wouldn't be so eager to get into a war without checking all the facts.

lol, you didn't bother reading it. It is a Medal of Honor citation for a fallen sailor serving with special forces. It was awarded postumously.

The Medal of Honor is the highest award our government gives out. Even the President is required to salute a living Medal of Honor recipient.

I would read it so you understand what a lot of soldiers, marines and sailors go through for the shittiest of paychecks.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

lol, you didn't bother reading it. It is a Medal of Honor citation for a fallen sailor serving with special forces. It was awarded postumously.

The Medal of Honor is the highest award our government gives out. Even the President is required to salute a living Medal of Honor recipient.

I would read it so you understand what a lot of soldiers, marines and sailors go through for the shittiest of paychecks.

It's hard to read the actual text of the image.

I am aware of the pay for some. One relative got a $40,000 bonus when he signed on and will start making about $75,000 a year which isn't bad.

This relative was embarrassed at Bales' killing spree and would probably sign off on everything I have said. I got a text message from the NY Times when the Bales killing spree first broke and another relative just shook his head.

 

[opinterph]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Even the President is required to salute a living Medal of Honor recipient.

I think the salute is based upon tradition rather than regulation. It is also my understanding that Ronald Reagan was the first president to salute the MOH.

Must all troops salute Medal of Honor recipients?

Other references:

New World Encyclopedia

Answer Bag​

 

[maxpowr9]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Is this your letter? If so, thank you for serving.

I wish we all had to serve and share the burden. People wouldn't be so eager to get into a war without checking all the facts.

If you read the letter, it says "posthumously to..."

 

[jackoroe]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I know about 9/11. We weren't attacked because of our freedom of speech. (Why wasn't Sweden attacked then if it was really about freedom of speech?) When did Osama or Al Qaeda say they attacked us because we have the ability to speak our minds? 9/11 happened because a group of sub-humans thought we favored Israel and that we wanted to take over Islamic countries. Free speech never factored into their ideology; if it did, other countries could have been targeted.

Your response of 9/11 is a talking point. I'd hope that after 11 years, you'd know what the incident was really about.

I'm not sure if the new guy in the office is prejudiced or not as I can't get into his head. I do know that he has loose lips and this kind of behavior I would have sniffed out during the hiring process. Plus, I saw at least two applications that he couldn't have matched if the playing field was even.

People can choose to serve the country, but they can't choose their ethnicity which makes opposition to racial affirmative action all the more puzzling. Any time someone is given a preference not based on merits, it is affirmative action.

This is more of the same double talk that I hear from conservatives: socialism (Medicare, Social Security, etc.) is good for me, but not for others and affirmative action is good for some (soldiers) but not for others (racial minorities).

Yes, Islamofascists absolutely love free speech. Go draw a cartoon of Mohamed, burn a Koran, convert from Islam to Christianity, be gay in any country run by these nut jobs. You're life won't be worth a plug nickel.

They hate that we get to express ourselves, that we can be gay, that we choose our religion without government interference, that we can freely ridicule their religious zealotry. That's what it's all about.

Now, here's your assignment. Look up then affirmative action law and please cite for us where it covers veterans.

We'll be waiting patiently.

 

[jackoroe]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Is this your letter? If so, thank you for serving.

I wish we all had to serve and share the burden. People wouldn't be so eager to get into a war without checking all the facts.

If it's his letter, he's posting from the Great Beyond. Do you not grasp the concept of "posthumous"?

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

If it's his letter, he's posting from the Great Beyond. Do you not grasp the concept of "posthumous"?

I said I didn't read the actual text of the document.

 

[maxpowr9]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I am not sure about the federal level, but for Massachusetts veterans, here is a list of all the benefits they get...

Massachusetts Veteran Benefits

Employers do get a tax credit for hiring veterans but it is far from "affirmative action".

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Yes, Islamofascists absolutely love free speech. Go draw a cartoon of Mohamed, burn a Koran, convert from Islam to Christianity, be gay in any country run by these nut jobs. You're life won't be worth a plug nickel.

They hate that we get to express ourselves, that we can be gay, that we choose our religion without government interference, that we can freely ridicule their religious zealotry. That's what it's all about.

Now, here's your assignment. Look up then affirmative action law and please cite for us where it covers veterans.

We'll be waiting patiently.

No. Their beef isn't with free speech. It all started before the Gulf War in the early 90's. Young men from Afghanistan were returning back to the Middle East with no jobs and money. Saddam was itching for a war with Kuwait since he couldn't repay the loan Kuwait gave Saddam to fight Iran. Osama offered the Saudi King the use of these men that fought off the Soviets. The king rejected this offer and American soldiers came into Saudi Arabia to fend off any possible advances from Saddam. After the arrival of "infidels" in the holy land, Al Qaeda was born. Soon after Saddam's retreat back to Iraq, American soldiers were killed by Al Qaeda in the Khobar Towers bombing and sent packing in Somalia.

There was nothing there about freedom of speech. Nothing. It's been 11 years since 9/11 and you're still operating on talking points.

We all know that Affirmative Action is when minorities are given an advantage in school admissions or hiring to "even the playing field." This is no different than giving soldiers preferential treatment during the hiring process. I am not against either. They're both the same thing except conservatives have a problem when blacks and Latinos might benefit from Affirmative Action. It's hypocrisy.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Yes, Islamofascists absolutely love free speech. Go draw a cartoon of Mohamed, burn a Koran, convert from Islam to Christianity, be gay in any country run by these nut jobs. You're life won't be worth a plug nickel.

They hate that we get to express ourselves, that we can be gay, that we choose our religion without government interference, that we can freely ridicule their religious zealotry. That's what it's all about.

Now, here's your assignment. Look up then affirmative action law and please cite for us where it covers veterans.

We'll be waiting patiently.

Who said they love free speech?
Tell you what -- find me a quote from bin Laden or a Taliban leader saying they attacked us because of our freedom. I won't wait, of course, because there's no such thing. They hate us because we've parked military forces on what they consider sacred soil, and because of supposedly unlimited support for Israel.

Resorting to the law is a cheap and deceptive ploy. Any time one class of people is given preference on the basis of something besides merit, it's affirmative action.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I am not sure about the federal level, but for Massachusetts veterans, here is a list of all the benefits they get...

Massachusetts Veteran Benefits

Employers do get a tax credit for hiring veterans but it is far from "affirmative action".

Yes, a tax credit isn't affirmative action, it's more of a thank-you. One assumes they're being hired on merit, anyway.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

I am not sure about the federal level, but for Massachusetts veterans, here is a list of all the benefits they get...

Massachusetts Veteran Benefits

Employers do get a tax credit for hiring veterans but it is far from "affirmative action".

Employers are being given a reason to hire someone that isn't based on merits. That sounds like affirmative action.

Ethnic minorities, who disproportionately poorer than whites, don't choose their race. But a soldier chooses to be a soldier.

I don't have a problem at all with Affirmative Action. I just can't help but to point out splitting hairs. It's no different when Tea Partiers say that their socialism is fine, but socialism for others is wrong.

 

[Lostlover]

Re: What the Hell is Wrong with these LOSER Soldiers?

Yes, a tax credit isn't affirmative action, it's more of a thank-you. One assumes they're being hired on merit, anyway.

You don't believe that employers factor in the tax credit when they're looking at a pool of applicants?

The state of Arizona says flat out that applications that they give preferences to soldiers and Native Americans. I don't have a problem with it all.