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What's happening in England

Kahaih said:
I really don't like that 'complainants are entitled to life-long anonymity under the law' bit. Not for adults. In this case, it appears, these are harmful/dangerous people. Perhaps more dangerous than a lot of people who end up on a registered sex offenders list.
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I agree. It's the same in rape trials. The defendant has his name dragged through the mud, even if he's ultimately acquitted, but the claimant remains anonymous, even if the jury didn't believe a word of her evidence. That's incredibly unfair.

Incidentally, a man convicted of rape 20 years ago has today had his conviction quashed by the Court of Appeal. Seems like a combination of new DNA evidence and good old police incompetence convinced the court. One thing I noticed from the news report is that he's 57 and his mother is 70. Normal for Grimsby I guess.

www.bbc.co.uk

Andrew Malkinson's rape conviction quashed after 20-year fight

Andrew Malkinson, who served 17 years in prison, says he feels he had been "kidnapped by the state".
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Kahaih said:
I really don't like that 'complainants are entitled to life-long anonymity under the law' bit. Not for adults. In this case, it appears, these are harmful/dangerous people. Perhaps more dangerous than a lot of people who end up on a registered sex offenders list.
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I sort of agree.
Because he was found not guilty the implication has to be that the complainants were malicious and don't deserve anonymity
However, it could just be that there wasn't enough evidence to convict rather than he didn't do it
 
unloadonme said:
I agree. It's the same in rape trials. The defendant has his name dragged through the mud, even if he's ultimately acquitted, but the claimant remains anonymous, even if the jury didn't believe a word of her evidence. That's incredibly unfair.
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There have been recent cases where women making false rape claims have been subsequently prosecuted
 
LeicsDom said:
I sort of agree.
Because he was found not guilty the implication has to be that the complainants were malicious and don't deserve anonymity
However, it could just be that there wasn't enough evidence to convict rather than he didn't do it
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Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I have friends who are lawyers and they tell me (anecdotally at least) that in many rape cases the parties knew each other and there's no dispute that sex took place. It's just that the man says the woman consented and the woman says she didn't. Often too, alcohol was involved. Expecting a jury to convict based on a test of "beyond reasonable doubt" in such circumstances is optimistic.

LeicsDom said:
There have been recent cases where women making false rape claims have been subsequently prosecuted
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Good. I've not seen such cases reported, but that's what should happen.
 
unloadonme said:
Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I have friends who are lawyers and they tell me (anecdotally at least) that in many rape cases the parties knew each other and there's no dispute that sex took place. It's just that the man says the woman consented and the woman says she didn't. Often too, alcohol was involved. Expecting a jury to convict based on a test of "beyond reasonable doubt" in such circumstances is optimistic.



Good. I've not seen such cases reported, but that's what should happen.
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There's one case

www.bbc.co.uk

Eleanor Williams jailed over false rape claims

The judge said Eleanor Williams' claims she was trafficked by an Asian gang were "complete fiction".
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Kahaih said:
That's sickening.

We would never have known her name or seen her face if she hadn't posted her accusations and photos on social media herself.

The court/legal system can claim no credit for protecting the community from Eleanor Williams or her kind. She outed herself.
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I have a friend who lives in the same town and her nefarious ways were known locally for years
 
A strange news story from yesterday.

People unwell after woman approaches them with bag

Two people have been taken to hospital after a woman approached them with a bag, leading to them feeling unwell.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c849jvn7npyo
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The woman has been arrested but they haven't said anything yet about the bag, so in the meantime if you're approached by a woman with a bag run for your life. Don't take any chances. THEY WALK AMONG US!

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Beware of guys with bigger shades than mine approaching with an apparently mere mobile, taking pics with a flash, pointing to girls' exposed spine region or your parotid areas.
 
unloadonme said:
It's not. The police have concluded that there was no criminal act. It's still open to the employer to conclude that the non-criminal conduct of its employee was in some way inappropriate or inconsistent with the employer's values.
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By way of an update on last year's story, the police have apparently now decided that Edwards should be charged with making indecent images of children. He's due in court later today.

www.bbc.co.uk

Huw Edwards charged with making indecent images of children

The former BBC News presenter will appear in court on Wednesday.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
unloadonme said:
By way of an update on last year's story, the police have apparently now decided that Edwards should be charged with making indecent images of children. He's due in court later today.

www.bbc.co.uk

Huw Edwards charged with making indecent images of children

The former BBC News presenter will appear in court on Wednesday.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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And he's pleaded guilty.

www.bbc.co.uk

Huw Edwards appears at court for first time

The former BBC newsreader admits three counts of making indecent images of children.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
It appears that the images which have led to the charges against Huw Edwards are separate to the issue which hit the headlines last summer. Apparently he received sexual images of minors over WhatsApp. He did not create any images in the usual sense of the word. The appearance of such images on one's phone is an offence in and of itself.
 
From the 80s TV show "Yes, prime minister" :

Prime minister Jim Hacker: 'My daughter Lucy wishes to spend her next long vacation on a kibbutz. Or perhaps I should say, as she's at the University of Sussex, another kibbutz.'
 
unloadonme said:
It appears that the images which have led to the charges against Huw Edwards are separate to the issue which hit the headlines last summer. Apparently he received sexual images of minors over WhatsApp. He did not create any images in the usual sense of the word. The appearance of such images on one's phone is an offence in and of itself.
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Yes, it is quite misleading.
Possessing the indecent images is, in law, defined as creating them.
I can sort of understand why. Possessing them creates the market for the images
 
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