White Gay Americans will all vote Republican

[pat grimshaw]

...Suck it up, the worm has turned. Soon you'll be the minority.

You should be producing lots more babies to stop all those "poor, huddled masses" arriving and gaining a majority.

 

[The Fly]

You should be producing lots more babies to stop all those "poor, huddled masses" arriving and gaining a majority.

Maybe you weren't paying attention............I have no problem with immigrants, that's generally a Whites mans burden.

 

[pat grimshaw]

.....I have no problem with immigrants...

Fair enough. But the fact remains that those who produce the more babies get the most votes.

 

[bankside]

I do think the lgbtq subculture is slightly more racist.

Straight interracial couples is more normal among straight couples than gay interracial couples among gay couples.

The only numbers I saw on that were from ok Cupid, and showed the opposite.

 

[IamNoah]

zombiekiller I think gay men use problematic language around sex. BUT the actual data, not just from OK Cupid, shows that gay men are MORE likely than straight men to be in interracial relationships--this includes with the two groups who are most often subject to exclusion in dating profiles (black and Asian gay men). Now I realize that this may not have been what you actually are referencing, but the fact argues against gay culture being more racist than the majority culture.

(anyone else bothered by the language of culture being used here?)

 

[roadtripboy]

No, I will never vote Republican.

 

[Junior42]

I can never see myself voting for a republican for president. The party is still too far away on many important issues to me. I am white, gay, have a sister who has a black boyfriends, and the son they have is my godson. So, your assumption that ALL will vote republican was just plain wrong.

 

[frankfrank]

I have to disagree with the OP...

So, OK, three-fourths of the states have LEGAL "gay marriage." That's all well and good...but that's the ONLY place where gays are making any gains.

Arkansas just passed a law allowing LGBT people to be discriminated against IN ALL MANNERS OF LIFE AND COMMERCE if anybody who provides any kind of services to the public chooses to use religion as an excuse to discriminate. A gay person may be left to die on the sidewalk outside an ER, because the hospital head CEO is antigay or something, and he/she has mandated the hospital not to admit gays for any reason. Michigan just tried to pass such a law, and I'm SURE they'll try again. Oklahoma wants to put public servants INTO PRISON for issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, or at the very least make sure they are fired. Other states prohibit any kind of school counseling to ever be, in any way, accepting of gay people. In 29 states you can be thrown out of your apartment just because you're gay. NONE of this is making any progress. It may be difficult to get a good lawyer if you're gay, in some places. ETC!!!

There are some U. S. states I cannot consider retiring to, because I may be refused healthcare or meds, etc. just because I happen to be gay. These laws are SPREADING. (I forget which state, but I saw somewhere yesterday that one of the states - I want to say North Carolina - is getting ready to punish officials who dare to marry gay OR **INTER-RACIAL** couples. The return of miscegenation laws!

This fucked-up country is going backwards into its own version of Sharia Law.

 

[bankside]

tantrums of a dying group of bigots. it's moving in the right direction in the same sequence we saw in canada, with the same outbursts from the losing side.

 

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[hotatlboi]

OP is idiotic and seems to assume all white men are racists so naturally they would side with Republicans who are also all racists. Talk about a warped view of things.

The GOP at this point in time is an intellectually backward party on a whole host of issues other than gay rights and will not earn this white gay man's vote anytime soon unless they jettison the stupid.

 

[guyfromNY]

This gay white man will never vote republican....

 

[nycguydowntown]

This gay white man will never vote republican....

No gay man should vote for the current state of the national gop party---you'd have to be a self-loating homo to do so---or racist--or a millionaire who likes their tax cuts and can buy their place in society.

 

[hotatlboi]

No gay man should vote for the current state of the national gop party---you'd have to be a self-loating homo to do so---or racist--or a millionaire who likes their tax cuts and can buy their place in society.

Or a religious nutjob with a hatred for science.

 

[Orlandude]

I think most gays are already fiscal conservatives as well as social liberals.
The “gay thing” is not the only reason gays vote Democrat or Republican
and it never will be. Gays in general are a lot more educated than they were
20 or 30 years ago and, in increasing numbers, tend to avoid “single issue politics”.
The idea that gays vote Democrat only because “Democrats like gays and republicans hate gays” is not a valid argument anymore. Moreover, the republican party has become a shadow of its former self in recent years. The tone of the party today is clearly radical and far right. By todays republican standards, Reagan would be considered a liberal. The party is anything but conservative. The most recent CPAC is proof of that. It simply uses the conservative moniker to advance its new direction or it would die on the vine. Proof of that is the sheer number of real republican conservatives who refused to vote in the mid-term elections, which were not a mandate by any stretch. Republicans won the mid-terms by the skin of their teeth, no thanks to real conservatives.

So called “culture wars” are nothing more than social wedge issues that both sides use to attempt to sway votes and win elections. These social issues will never be fully resolved because they all involve personal belief systems. Perhaps, when a few generations die off, things will change but not in this lifetime. We live in a time when the Supreme Court can change everything on a dime, overnight. Bitterly fought issues like abortion, gay marriage, health insurance, guns and a host of other social issues are ultimately at the mercy of the court gavel. People can interpret and attempt to re-write the Constitution all they want but it won’t work.

White gay Americans will never mass migrate to the republican party in its present form because the republican party is losing voters at every turn and contemporary gays are not so narrowminded as to believe that gay issues are the only issues. Republicans are stuck in reverse. Until that changes nothing changes.

 

[T-Rexx]

I predict this will occur in the next 10-15 years after most of the Gay Rights battles have been won. Currently, 37 states in North America allow some sort of gay marriage. After all equal protections for gays have been acheived, just what reason is there for Gay white men to remain with the Democrats? They've already been President Obama's harshest critics despite he being the best and most powerful ally gays have had. Plus, we must not forget the racial undertones of it all. Once White gay men feel equal to their white heterosexual counterparts, they will behave like most of them by holding onto to their white privilege. This will mean challenging policies that traditionally favors minorities in America. So yes, I predict most white gay men will developed an antipathy towards people of color and eventually turn into raging conservatives. Groups like Go-Proud and The Log Cabin Republicans are only the beginning.



http://www.thewire.com/national/2010/11/why-are-more-gay-people-voting-republican/22400/

You are absolutely correct.

I don't think it will be 10-15 years, however. I think it will be more like 20-30 years. There are a lot of impediments that will slow this process.

First, the GOP isn't going to give up the hate very quickly. Their base is composed largely of religious fundamentalists who prefer authoritarian guidance to science or reason. The religious authorities guiding these people will eventually embrace homosexuality as theologically acceptable (despite a few anti-gay passages in the Judeo-Christian bible) even as they once embraced skin pigmentation as theologically acceptable (despite extreme racism in the bible). But, I don't think this will happen in just 10-15 years. Religions take a long time to come around to new ideas. In 10 years, I expect a lot of straight GOPers will still pretty much openly despise gay people, and that will discourage gays from joining the party.

Second, stereotypes nothwithstanding, gays tend to make less money than straights. That's because of marriage inequality, and it will eventually resolve when America adopts gay marriage in all 50 states. But, it's going to take longer than 10-15 years to close that gap. Even if gay marriage became the law of the land tomorrow, paying off a home can take 30 years. Wealth accumulates slowly. And lower income people tend to support policies directed at the common good over those directed at the good of the wealthy.

Third, gays will remain a minority, even after substantial integration into society. Unique problems will persist, such as AIDS and the difficulty establishing families. Republicans have never been sensitive to minority issues, and that is not going to change. So, it is likely that gays will continue to depend on the Democratic Party to address our concerns in Washington.

The GOP at this point in time is an intellectually backward party on a whole host of issues other than gay rights...

Very true.

But, despite this fact, it continues to win the vast majority of state and local elections, and even nationally it now controls both the House and Senate.

For a party devoid of ideas, advocating policy that is harmful to the majority of people who vote for it, disconcertingly bellicose, on the wrong side of history in civil and gay rights, and with a dramatic record of failure of its economic policy - it is stunningly successful. Competence, insight, and a history of successful management do not win elections in Amerca.

 

[CoolBlue71]

From the article (which was dated November 5, 2010):

According to a CNN exit poll, more self-identified lesbians, gay men and bisexuals voted for Republicans in the midterm election [of 2010] than ever before.

That's the key: "in the midterm election" [of 2010].

Roughly 55 to 60 percent of eligible voters nationally participate in presidential elections (leap years). That goes down to anywhere between 33 and 40 percent in midterm elections (even-numbered, non-leap years). (With 2014, it was 36 percent.) This means we don't get a comparable voting electorate with the midterm-vs.-presidential turnouts.

In midterm elections, one party's faithful [voters] turning out (better than the opposing party's base) will win the day on most (or all) fronts. That was true in 2006, when the Democrats won majority-control pickups of both houses of Congress. That was true in 2010, when the Republicans won a majority-control pickup of the U.S. House of Representatives. That was true in 2014, when the Republicans won a majority-control pickup of the U.S. Senate. The numbers reflect this. For one example, in 2006 every one of the incumbent Democratic governors who were pickup winners from 2002 (the first midterm of Republican U.S. president George W. Bush)—even in such Republican presidential base states as Oklahoma [Brad Henry], Tennessee [Phil Bredesen], and Wyoming [Dave Freudenthal]—were re-elected with conspicuously stronger margins. That was demonstrative of the effects of a wave election. In 2014, this bared out with the Republicans' majority leader Mitch McConnell, previously re-elected in 2008, as he won re-election from his Kentucky U.S. Senate seat by an additional estimate of ten percentage points.

I don't think most people know why the midterms and presidential elections are not comparable. And I don't think articles like this want to inform people.

So, the quote above (along with the article itself) means nothing.

In the 2008 U.S. presidential election of 2008—resulting in a Democratic pickup to elect Barack Obama the 44th president of the United States—losing Republican John McCain received 27 percent of the LGBT vote nationwide. In 2012, Barack Obama went from 7.26 percentage points in his popular-vote margin of 2008 down to a popular-vote margin of 3.86 percentage points over losing Republican challenger Mitt Romney. So, approximately half of Obama's margin held. (In 2008, he won the U.S. Popular Vote by about 9.5 million raw votes. In 2012, he was re-elected with a U.S. Popular Vote raw margin of about 4.9 million.) What was telling was that Mitt Romney, compared to John McCain, received not more but less support from the LGBT voters nationwide: 22 percent.

The 2008-to-2012 LGBT vote, nationwide, destroys the nonsensical arguments pedaled in this article.

As for the focus on "White," within LGBT, that is also meaningless. In 2008, according to the CNN 2008 Exit Polls, the LGBT vote was 4 percent of the nationwide vote for president. (There were an estimate of 131 million votes cast for president. Four percent of that is 5.24 million.) There will be more Republican white votes, yes, but it doesn't account for too much. This is nowhere near "all."

 

[CoolBlue71]

You are absolutely correct.

I don't think it will be 10-15 years, however. I think it will be more like 20-30 years. There are a lot of impediments that will slow this process. …

It would be more like around the year 2040. (If it were to happen at all.)

I'm really referring to realigning presidential periods. That's a topic for which I could take this thread in a direction for which I don't necessarily think others would want to follow. So, if one has an interest in that topic…then setting aside some time to do a little research is suggested by me. (I am, in short, saying that we are in a Democratic presidential realigning period which began in 2008.)

I don't think the white gay men of the United States would nationally realign to the Republicans without the Republicans realigning their party platform. (And, with that, the Republicans would have to experience a likewise realignment of the two-party base states to become what they used to be…which is the inverse of what they are today.)

 

[rareboy]

Finally this intellectually vacant thread has ended up where it belongs.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

 

[Kabluey]

Plenty of people turn conservative when their battles have already been fought for them. They decide they don't want their comfortable existence to change, or for others to get ahead of them.

That's why the politics of selfishness work well.