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White House Official Fox News A Wing of the Republican Party

Anyway, Droid, here's how it is:

The righties are complaining about the White House calling Fox News a Wing of the Republican Party. It's obvious to me, at least, that they're speaking in metaphor. (Of course, they're not really an actual wing of the Party, merely a mouthpiece).


Even if that's true it doesn't matter. The point is that they're trying to deepen the divide between left and right, and trying to get the Left Media to shun news from the Right Media. They're trying to squelch news stories like Acorn and criticism of ObamaCo like Hemmer pointing out Obama's promise of transparency was a lie (just two examples that happen to be mentioned in this thread).

Obama campaigned on bringing people together, claimed that if Hillary or McCain were elected the same old divides and anger would continue. But the truth is Obama has been much more purposefully divisive than either Hillary or McCain ever were, and, further, is purposefully destructive the way Bush&Co were; they're stoking anger and mistrust in both left (it's evident right here at JUB) and right. Obama uses divisiveness as part of the way he operates.


All along, of course, the MSNBC has been a mouthpiece of the left. Who ever denied it? I never have, and neither have any lefties I know. MSNBC itself doesn't even pretend to be "fair and balanced." It's biased; so what?


Obama supporters deny it all the time, claiming Fox News is not a news organization but MSNBC is. Read the thread just for starters, then read what ObamaCo is saying.


The thing is, the left accepts this whole situation as "just one of those things", while the right denies it even exists, hence the whole reason for this thread.


Wrong. Both sides are the same now. That's the problem. Obama didn't lift us up out of the mess as he promised, he's leading us down further into it. And his supporters are gleefully going right along with it.
 
... All they said was that they are biased. And anyone with half a brain would agree with that.

Very hypocritical.


No that is not all they've done.

As evidenced through the links I posted upthread, ObamaCo has tried to marginalize Fox News, tried to get them shunned and shut out so they won't be heard. That's not what our government is supposed to do. Our President is supposed to be President of all Americans and that includes the Americans who, for whatever reason, enjoy watching Fox News.

Opposition press is vital to our Democracy. It's fine that Fox propagandized for Bush and MSNBC does it for Obama but opposition --MSNBC when Bush is in office and Fox when Obama is-- is essential. It's called the fourth branch of government because we need it to make our Democracy work. It helps hold our elected officials accountable.
 
The reason this thread exists is because a sitting president and his administration has decided to wage a PR war against a media entity.


It's more than a PR war. Axelrod and Emanuel have explicitly told other news organizations like MSNBC and CNN to not treat Fox and its employees like a bona fide news outlet.

That's what ObamaNation does: manipulate or bully one group into ridiculing, shunning and ultimately ruining another group. They did it during the primaries, during the general election and they've done it since Obama was elected. They are at their core fixated on divisiveness and destruction. One can justify that kind of destructiveness by saying they're trying to destroy the bad guys but it's what's at the heart of the old Niemoller quote, "First they came for the Socialists ... and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist ..."
 
I agree with you. Yes, opposition is vital to our democracy and keeps the goverment in check.
The problem is that Fox did NOT keep the goverment in check. Not with Bush. There was and is nothing they would call him out on. Everything he did...and he did do ALOT was overlooked or praised by Fox. They even have Karl Rove on their payroll.
As far as Obama, yes, he is everybody's President but they sure don't treat him like one. Not Fox, not the GOP.
When Fox pushes things that have NOTHING to do with telling the truth or keeping him in check and push nonsense like deathers, birthers, teabaggers and call him a racist and a liar, etc...then there's a problem. These things are not "news"...they're propaganda and fuel for the extreme elements of society that threaten our President AND bring guns to his public speaking events. That's the difference.

They're not censoring anything. They are calling them out on not being "fair and balanced".

Nick's two animating principals in life are "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "Obama equals evil." On the one hand, Obama isn't getting tough enough cracking heads among Democrats to get legislation passed and isn't bombing the shit out of Afghanistan, but he's too tough on FOX News. Don't look to him for any intellectual honesty or consistency.
 
I agree with you. Yes, opposition is vital to our democracy and keeps the goverment in check.
The problem is that Fox did NOT keep the goverment in check. Not with Bush. There was and is nothing they would call him out on. Everything he did...and he did do ALOT was overlooked or praised by Fox. They even have Karl Rove on their payroll.


Generally speaking, Fox didn't keep Bush in check and MSNBC doesn't keep Obama in check. That's why we need both.

Anybody here remember the original Cable News Network? CNN started out an excellent source of reasonably unbiased news; in the 1980s CNN and CNN2 was amazing. But that's long gone. Now cable news channels are cesspools of biased reporting.


As far as Obama, yes, he is everybody's President but they sure don't treat him like one. Not Fox, not the GOP.


Sure they do. You seem to not understand the nature of opposition, and the importance of it having an unfettered voice in a Democracy.


When Fox pushes things that have NOTHING to do with telling the truth or keeping him in check and push nonsense like deathers, birthers, teabaggers and call him a racist and a liar, etc...then there's a problem.


It's your opinion that Fox isn't telling the truth but what they're doing is reporting about what those people --birthers and teabaggers-- think and are doing. That's part of what's happening in America and it ought to be reported. There's nothing wrong with reporting that there are citizens, and not only a few, who are thinking and saying and believing whatever it is they believe. You don't have to watch it but it is wrong for the President of the United States to try to manipulate who is and is not considered a bona fide news outlet. That's for the people to determine.


These things are not "news"...they're propaganda and fuel for the extreme elements of society that threaten our President AND bring guns to his public speaking events. That's the difference.


Well Fox and MSNBC and CNN sure do fire out a lot of propaganda for both sides. What impact it has on our culture and behavior has not been credibly measured and documented, and maybe it should be. But with the real information available right now you're just making it up that Fox News programming fuels elements that threaten our President.


They're not censoring anything. They are calling them out on not being "fair and balanced".


No that's not all they're doing, as I've demonstrated with the links upthread.
 
Friends and associates of Roger Ailes, head of Fox News, are urging him to run for president in 2012. But I'm sure there's no connection to the steady, anti-Obama propaganda Fox News puts out. http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0910/fox_head_could_make_run.html

What Nick and the right-wing nut job Fox apologists fail to realize is that what "news" Fox chooses to cover is an editorial judgment that people should analyze in determining whether they are acting like a legitimate news organization or a right-wing propaganda organization.

If Fox has 500 news stories about alleged Acorn corruption, but only 10 stories about Halliburton being sanctioned by the federal government for fraud and theft, it gives a very distorted view to the viewers about where there is actually serious corruption and misuse of tax dollars. It's a consciously political choice designed to damage an organization with ties to the Democratic Party, and one that has registered thousands of poor people to vote, while at the same time shielding a major corporation formerly run by the Republican Vice-president that has deep ties to Republican office holders. (note: I'm not sure what the actual number of stories on each is, I chose the numbers to illustrate a point).

Similarly, if Fox News gives extensive coverage to the tea-bagger protests, promotes the protests on their programs and their news producers stoke up the crowds to give the illusion that the crowds are bigger and more animated than they actually are, while at the same time completely ignoring the gay rights protests that were equally large in terms of numbers of demonstrators, that is a consciously political choice designed to give the network's viewers a very distorted view of reality.

Whether Obama's strategy of marginalizing Fox will work, there's nothing wrong with him doing it. It's not like he is having the IRS target people affiliated with the network the way Nixon did with his political enemies. He isn't applying any pressure beyond persuasion to attack them, as opposed to the Bushies suggesting that certain media outlets or people affiliated with them were traitors who ought to be prosecuted. His people are expressing an opinion, which is quite accurate.
 
So there was even more White House smarminess behind Jake Tapper's comment than originally reported.


In a sign of discomfort with the White House stance, Fox’s television news competitors refused to go along with a Treasury Department effort on Tuesday to exclude Fox from a round of interviews with the executive-pay czar Kenneth R. Feinberg that was to be conducted with a “pool” camera crew shared by all the networks. That followed a pointed question at a White House briefing this week by Jake Tapper, an ABC News correspondent, about the administration’s treatment of “one of our sister organizations.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss


ObamaCo complains that Fox News is not reporting real news and yet they try to exclude Fox from interviewing Kenneth Feinberg. And just a couple weeks ago they denied access to interview the President when we was available to all the other news networks.
 
So there was even more White House smarminess behind Jake Tapper's comment than originally reported.





ObamaCo complains that Fox News is not reporting real news and yet they try to exclude Fox from interviewing Kenneth Feinberg. And just a couple weeks ago they denied access to interview the President when we was available to all the other news networks.

This is worth quoting. Obama and his administration are actively trying to exclude a news organization from having access to public officials. An organization, mind you, that has paid for that opportunity. Only, the other organizations (which the Obama admin surely expected to go along willingly) are absolutely refusing to allow it.

Seriously, just from the political perspective of his side, what Obama, Axelrod and Emanuel are doing could end up blowing up in their faces if they're not careful. If there is one thing that you absolutely do not want, it is for ALL of the media (even those that have shown you some favor in the past) pissed off at you because you're trying to marginalize one of their own. Not only will they stop cooperating with your office, but they will almost certainly start reporting each and every negative thing that is done by the administration. Further, the public will definitely see this as undermining Obama's role as a 'post-partisan' president, since this is among the most partisan actions taken in a long, long while.

I don't think any of you, and the Obama administration, understand how dangerous what they're doing right now is. If they're not careful, it could end up destroying their agenda and losing him any hope of winning re-election or the midterms in 2010.
 
Further, the public will definitely see this as undermining Obama's role as a 'post-partisan' president, since this is among the most partisan actions taken in a long, long while.

Nine months isn't such a long time.
 
The Obama administration has done more than point out that Fox is biased; they have, as reported by other news organizations' people, tried to get all the other news outfits to exclude them, to shut them out.
That's an assault on freedom of the press, no matter how you look at it -- and the other organizations know it, which is why they're not cooperating with Obama on excluding Fox.
If Obama keeps pushing, they should all get together and air Fox footage for the news one night, and nothing of their own, and see what he says.

In essence, the President has declared war against the First Amendment. I'll give him credit that he didn't follow the Nixon path and keep everything secret. But if he keeps this up, it would serve him right if the press all around the country decided together to give him nothing but negative coverage for a week.

Many of the rights protected in the Bill of Rights are meant to keep government in check. The Second Amendment is for the extreme situations; it's the task of the ones named in the First to do it every day, attentively. When a president tries to pull a clone of the Alien and Sedition Acts out of his hat by bullying news organizations, it's those organizations' job to stand up and call him on it.

Different news organizations will have biases for different candidates or politicians -- there's no way to avoid that. But it's unforgivable for any politician, at whatever level, to take any action, however slight, against such an organization. Every elected official is expected to remember that if you can do it to them, they can do it to you -- and that often the ante gets upped. If Obama is allowed to get away with dismissing Fox news and locking them out of reporting, what's to say that some future Republican, angry at that, won't find ways to actually shut down MSNBC and CNN?

Censorship doesn't have to be done through law: it can be done by intimidation as well, and that's exactly what this is -- the administration was trying to intimidate the rest of the media into treating Fox like a leper. To the media's credit, they haven't cooperated -- and if Obama keeps it up, they should give him a big "Fuck you!"

All news organizations use editorial judgment in deciding what will be aired. That's why we end up getting propaganda on all sorts of topics -- one of my favorite beefs, as some of you will know, is that the MSM almost always report stories about guns in ways that conform to an anti-gun agenda, even to the point of lying. But it's done also with abortion, health care, and any other topic some editor thinks is important. And other editors react by giving stories prominence which "balance" the other guy....

But it isn't the job of anyone in government to step in and try to change the game. Freedom of the press means just that: total freedom. Any interference, verbal or otherwise, whether stating that a certain organization isn't a news organization, to leaning on landlords to pull leases, or whatever, is flat wrong. It's no different than if the president's press secretary were to announce one day that a gathering for religious leaders was being held to get their views on American life, but that Hindus were not considered a real religion.

Obama should be grilled as Senator Weiner was; every reporter allowed to ask him questions should go in one day soon with only hostile questions to ask. Maybe he'd get the point -- the question is whether he's like Aladdin, and "can be taught".
 
Further, the public will definitely see this as undermining Obama's role as a 'post-partisan' president, since this is among the most partisan actions taken in a long, long while.

Nine months isn't such a long time.

Bush never actively attempted to exclude a news organization from interviewing public officials as Obama is doing. That's about as partisan (and disgusting) as you can get.

The last time anything this egregious was done was under Nixon. The only difference is that Obama has either the balls or stupidity to do it openly.
 
This is worth quoting. Obama and his administration are actively trying to exclude a news organization from having access to public officials. An organization, mind you, that has paid for that opportunity. Only, the other organizations (which the Obama admin surely expected to go along willingly) are absolutely refusing to allow it.

If indeed he expected the others to go along willingly, what does that say about his character? Two things come to my mind, neither of them good....
 
That's because Bush was a Republican. There it is: Fox is biased. ..|

Why would Fox report real news when propaganda, hyperbole and conspiracies are much more fun, sexier and attract more attention?

Why would MSNBC report real news when propaganda, hyperbole and conspiracies are much more fun, sexier and attract more attention?

Why would CNNreport real news when propaganda, hyperbole and conspiracies are much more fun, sexier and attract more attention?

Why would ABC report real news when propaganda, hyperbole and conspiracies are much more fun, sexier and attract more attention?
 
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So basically you're saying you like some networks because they affirm your beliefs and/or preferences, and don't like Fox because it doesn't.

That's how the people who like Fox operate, too. I guess you're in good company!
 
I agree with you. Yes, opposition is vital to our democracy and keeps the goverment in check.
The problem is that Fox did NOT keep the goverment in check. Not with Bush. There was and is nothing they would call him out on. Everything he did...and he did do ALOT was overlooked or praised by Fox. They even have Karl Rove on their payroll.
As far as Obama, yes, he is everybody's President but they sure don't treat him like one. Not Fox, not the GOP.
When Fox pushes things that have NOTHING to do with telling the truth or keeping him in check and push nonsense like deathers, birthers, teabaggers and call him a racist and a liar, etc...then there's a problem. These things are not "news"...they're propaganda and fuel for the extreme elements of society that threaten our President AND bring guns to his public speaking events. That's the difference.

They're not censoring anything. They are calling them out on not being "fair and balanced".


yeah they are censoring

they attempted to not include Fox in an interview with their "Pay Czar"

but the other nets wouldn't stand for it

Pres. Obama has been exposed

your blind hatred of Fox has diminished your ability to see

pro obama discussion is good
anti obama discussion is bad

it's that simple

and scary

and it makes the president look small indeed
 
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So basically you're saying you like some networks because they affirm your beliefs and/or preferences, and don't like Fox because it doesn't.

That's how the people who like Fox operate, too. I guess you're in good company!

what he said
 
You'll have to lay this out for me in a way I can understand. I don't know what you are talking about here.

What I can answer are what I bolded above:

As your blind hatred of Obama has diminished your ability to see

bad obama discussion on fox is good
good obama discussion anywhere is bad - because they are all of course the "liberal media"

it's that simple

and scary

and it makes Fox look really small indeed. Nevermind a bunch of liars, sexists, racist, ignorant, unpatriotic, homophobes, etc....

Ah, see your blind hatred of Fox isn't letting you see how truly dangerous what Obama is doing is. You don't have to agree with Fox's opinion programming (lord knows I don't), but anytime the president actively encourages the censorship of a press organization that would be dangerous. Why do you think that every other network has REFUSED to be a party to the president's desire to censor Fox?

Forget Fox, forget the fact that you don't like them. Honestly think for a second about the ramifications of the President of the United States dictating to the press and people WHAT is legitimate news and what is not, and who may report it. It is absolutely HORRIFYING. The only thing more horrifying than that fact is the fact that there are people like you out there that are defending this attempt at censorship.
 
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