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[JB3]

Sure. Yeah...keep telling yourself that. They didn't set up all their "reporters and journalists" all over the country and they didn't promote it endlessly. There wouldn't have been a teabagging if it weren't for Fox. But whatever. You obviously aren't going to see it any other way but through Fox's lenses.

How about you provide some proof to back up your assertion that fox organized the protests?

 

[JB3]

You're either kidding or you are naive. Actions still speak louder than words.

And there is no perspective given besides that of the reporters. For all we know, there really weren't enough seats allocated to include the NYT. Even the NYT freely admits that the press contingent on AFII was small; there is an equal possibility that there was no space for them as it is they were purposely excluded.

 

[palemale]

And there is no perspective given besides that of the reporters. For all we know, there really weren't enough seats allocated to include the NYT. Even the NYT freely admits that the press contingent on AFII was small; there is an equal possibility that there was no space for them as it is they were purposely excluded.

Droid, maybe you should read this site from a right-wing blog reveling in the fact that the McCain campaign kicked Maureen Dowd of the NYT off the campaign plane in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. They mocked her for complaining about it and said she deserved it for her coverage of McCain. Obviously there was room on the plane because she arrived on the plane. No mention of Chance's boyfriend Jake Tapper expressing any outrage over Dowd's expulsion from the campaign plane. Doesn't seem that there was any MSM solidarity with Ms. Dowd on this. Now, they're shocked, shocked there's gambling going on inside. Repeat, this is a conservative blog. Check it out. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner...cked-mccains-campaign-plane-hes-dismissive-1s

I think the moral of the story is that Jake Tapper and other members of the MSM who were too frightened and devoid of balls to truly challenge Bush and the Republicans regarding Iraq, Civil Liberties, etc, because they didn't want to be called traitors or were afraid the Bush administration would call their bosses, have somehow found their voices to criticize Obama because they know he's not going to hassle them.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Droid, maybe you should read this site from a right-wing blog reveling in the fact that the McCain campaign kicked Maureen Dowd of the NYT off the campaign plane in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. They mocked her for complaining about it and said she deserved it for her coverage of McCain. Obviously there was room on the plane because she arrived on the plane. No mention of Chance's boyfriend Jake Tapper expressing any outrage over Dowd's expulsion from the campaign plane. Doesn't seem that there was any MSM solidarity with Ms. Dowd on this. Now, they're shocked, shocked there's gambling going on inside. Repeat, this is a conservative blog. Check it out. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner...cked-mccains-campaign-plane-hes-dismissive-1s

A campaign is all about politics. A candidate doesn't need to be fair and impartial. Reporters are snubbed, even networks, interviews are routinely withheld, etc.. Until he went on O'Reilly's show, Obama only took softball questions on the campaign trail.

Governing the country should be serious business and done fairly. The Obama administration is still in this constant campaign mode, attacking a new person or group weekly, and it's driving their support, especially among independents, down.

 

[chance1]

Droid, maybe you should read this site from a right-wing blog reveling in the fact that the McCain campaign kicked Maureen Dowd of the NYT off the campaign plane in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. They mocked her for complaining about it and said she deserved it for her coverage of McCain. Obviously there was room on the plane because she arrived on the plane. No mention of Chance's boyfriend Jake Tapper expressing any outrage over Dowd's expulsion from the campaign plane. Doesn't seem that there was any MSM solidarity with Ms. Dowd on this. Now, they're shocked, shocked there's gambling going on inside. Repeat, this is a conservative blog. Check it out. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner...cked-mccains-campaign-plane-hes-dismissive-1s

I think the moral of the story is that Jake Tapper and other members of the MSM who were too frightened and devoid of balls to truly challenge Bush and the Republicans regarding Iraq, Civil Liberties, etc, because they didn't want to be called traitors or were afraid the Bush administration would call their bosses, have somehow found their voices to criticize Obama because they know he's not going to hassle them.

i love it

now ur criticizing jake tapper for questioning robert gibbs and calling him on his shit

obama loving is a 24/7 job i guess

and anyone who criticizes pres. obama is .......................

not to be heard from

so ur and elvin's motto is - freedom of speech - as long as u agree with it

a mind is terrible thing to waste boys

 

[palemale]

i love it

now ur criticizing jake tapper for questioning robert gibbs and calling him on his shit

obama loving is a 24/7 job i guess

and anyone who criticizes pres. obama is .......................

not to be heard from

so ur and elvin's motto is - freedom of speech - as long as u agree with it

a mind is terrible thing to waste boys

No Chance. Reread my post. I'm criticizing those media types who didn't have the balls to criticize Republicans because they were afraid they'd be "put off the plane" by the Republicans, but are not afraid to criticize Obama because they are secure in the knowledge that there will be no repercussions from the Obama administration, unlike they would have faced under Bush. Do you understand the difference?

You see, they didn't have the guts to stand up for Maureen Dowd the way they have the guts to stand up for Fox Network.

 

[JB3]

Droid, maybe you should read this site from a right-wing blog reveling in the fact that the McCain campaign kicked Maureen Dowd of the NYT off the campaign plane in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. They mocked her for complaining about it and said she deserved it for her coverage of McCain. Obviously there was room on the plane because she arrived on the plane. No mention of Chance's boyfriend Jake Tapper expressing any outrage over Dowd's expulsion from the campaign plane. Doesn't seem that there was any MSM solidarity with Ms. Dowd on this. Now, they're shocked, shocked there's gambling going on inside. Repeat, this is a conservative blog. Check it out. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner...cked-mccains-campaign-plane-hes-dismissive-1s

I think the moral of the story is that Jake Tapper and other members of the MSM who were too frightened and devoid of balls to truly challenge Bush and the Republicans regarding Iraq, Civil Liberties, etc, because they didn't want to be called traitors or were afraid the Bush administration would call their bosses, have somehow found their voices to criticize Obama because they know he's not going to hassle them.

Whoa, whoa whoa. A campaign is a COMPLETELY different beast than what's going on here. She had no more of a right to be there than any other journalists. In the case of the campaign, there is no obligation to allow press access. It is a courtesy, and every single member of the press knows that. (and for your reference, from a LIBERAL blog, Obama kicked three journalists from papers that endorsed McCain off of HIS plane as well: http://wonkette.com/403998/obama-boots-journalisti-enemies-off-plane)

If she had been kicked off the plane and McCain had been president, that would be a COMPLETELY different thing, and you know it would be.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kuli, can you identify any news stories ABC, CBS or MSNBC did that were lies, distortions or out and out propaganda?

One that a news anchor did, on 60 minutes I think, flat out lied about a number of things concerning firearms. They've all lied by omission in cases of citizens stopping crime using handguns, by not mentioning the handguns. Another form of lying they've all done is implying that gun control laws have saved lives and/or reduced crime, when the records show that not one single gun control law has done a single thing to affect crime. I have also seen story after story where they play up the presence of firearms in a way that suggests that anyone who owns a gun is already a criminal and dangerous.

 

[JB3]

Kuli, can you identify any news stories ABC, CBS or MSNBC did that were lies, distortions or out and out propaganda?

Not to butt in here, but are you serious?

1) Rather-gate. How about making shit up to torpedo Bush, which eventually led to Rather losing his job.

2) ABC's Pro-Obama healthcare propaganda-

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowl...ial_from_wh_glorified_infomercial__119119.asp

They spent an ENTIRE DAY promoting his agenda and extolling the virtues of his healthcare plans. If that ain't propaganda, then I don't know what is.

3) MSNBC recently claimed that Rush Limbaugh made a racist statement, a statement which they could not verify that he actually said.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-d...y-false-limbaugh-quote-no-retraction-or-apolo

4) CBS' Harry Smith said something so laughably biased and patently false that President Obama himself had to stop and correct the lie.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/...dia-scolded-for-absurd-bush-bashing-by-obama/

5) MSNBC's Contessa Brewer falsely claiming that people that showed up with assault rifles at an Obama speech were 'white guys', even going so far as to edit the black man OUT of the footage.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...te-people-showing-up-with-guns-threaten-Obama

The list could go on and on and on. Fox does the same thing. ALL media does it.

 

[Kulindahr]

In order to put this in perspective, I suggest you read the following article posted on Media Matters web cite. It debunks the silly comparisons of Obama to Nixon. http://mediamatters.org/columns/200910230015

That's an interesting article, but I didn't see anywhere in it that they addressed Fox news -- all they referred to was the same crap I can't stand much: the commentary stuff.

Kulin and Chance, you know I respect the dickens out of you both, but on this particular issue I remain underwhelmed.

If Bush had said (and done) the same things about MSNBC, I would have understood just as well. Rachel Maddow has said that she and her cohorts were excluded from one ( or a series) of Bush's press conferences; I remain underwhelmed about that, too.

I can try to find you a link if you like. (I know I already owe you one link, Kulindahr. I haven't forgotten. )

Excluding one or several reporters is different than dissing an entire network. If he'd announced that O'Reilly and Beck weren't going to be allowed on the White House grounds, I would have nearly cheered; since he tried to get the other networks to treat the whole of Fox like a leper colony... well, I'm far, far from cheering.

 

[Kulindahr]

Just as dangerous as supporting and blindly following a President that is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Who lied to us for oil. Who completely ignored laws. The same one that got us to the brink of a depression.

...the same one that drove some friends and I to wondering if it was time to polish off the ultimate function of the Second Amendment.

But just because one president is a puppet of evil men doesn't mean another gets a pass.

 

[JB3]

Kulin and Chance, you know I respect the dickens out of you both, but on this particular issue I remain underwhelmed.

If Bush had said (and done) the same things about MSNBC, I would have understood just as well. Rachel Maddow has said that she and her cohorts were excluded from one ( or a series) of Bush's press conferences; I remain underwhelmed about that, too.

I can try to find you a link if you like. (I know I already owe you one link, Kulindahr. I haven't forgotten. )

Last time I checked, Maddow is a commentator and not a reporter. (Same goes for Olbermann, O'reilly, Beck, Hannity, etc.) The only ones usually allowed at White House pressers are real reporters, such as Chuck Todd and Major Garrett, and most networks/organizations are usually only given a single seat. (and why waste the seat on a commentator?)

 

[Kulindahr]

They won't read that. They're too convinced that Obama is a dictator.
Poor Fox news being called for pushing ignorance and hatred and lies and homophobia. They can't be criticized.
You know what's happening here? For 8 years they had total access and were being favored by the Presidency and you couldn't criticize them, just like you couldn't criticize Bush. It must suck to be them. They may not be a reputable "news" network...but hey, at least they attract a lot of viewers.

I don't know to whom you're referring here, but it isn't Chance or I.

 

[Kulindahr]

THAT's definitely a new one. No one, not even the queen of lies Rachel Maddow herself, tied Fox to organizing the tea protests.

True enough. They made an awfully diligent cheerleading squad, though.

And I still can't believe you are buying this crap. lol
No matter what anyone says I won't change my mind.
Bush and Fox excluded and really censored and wire tapped and bugged journalists and blacklisted people. But no one wants to talk about that. Hypocrisy much?

Fox wiretapped people? Really?

Your approaching the level of the conspiracy theorists who think Obama is gonna end the Republic....

 

[Kulindahr]

Droid I can't and won't defend the Obama Administration when they attempted to bar a Fox reporter from a pool interview but if you really believe nothing like this ever happened during the Bush administration I suggest you do a little research to enlighten yourself.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200910210028#3

I suppose there is a difference between refusing to allow Fox in there with the pool reporters and kicking N.Y. times reporters off of your plane but if access to administration members is the point then the differences do seem to dwindle.

I'll neither defend Obama or whitewash the Bush Administration when it comes to the press and I hope in the future you'll do the same.

Here I though there would be something about Bush in your article; instead, it's about Cheney and Congress.

Cheney doesn't surprise me, the man is evil enough I could imagine he cums demons instead of sperm. Nor does Congress surprise me; they're all members of the "Re-Elect Me" party, and nothing any of them do any more surprises me.

 

[Kulindahr]

There wouldn't have been a teabagging if it weren't for Fox.

\Sure there would have, just as there are anti-Iraq 'war' protests without media coverage.

Not that you care because to you guys Rachel Maddow is "evil" but maybe others will watch and glean what they may.

What guys?

Rachel makes a few good points in there, BTW.

 

[JB3]

My bad. I didn't mean to include Fox in that sentence. I take that one back.
I stand by everfything else I have posted so far though.

Which is actually quite sad. The lack of character and principles is not something to stand by, as anyone that's been paying attention to Bush the last eight years surely well knows.

 

[JB3]

Yes. What Bush did was to truly censor the media and lie to us endlessly. He took issue with "actual" news organizations. Not propaganda billed as "news".

Please. The Bush administration, for all of the mistakes it made, never attempted to exclude a news organization in the way the Obama administration is.

For some perspective, here's a column on the issue from Clarence Page, a columnist for the Chicago Tribune and a staunch Obama supporter.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped1025pageoct25,0,4938426.column

 

[JB3]

I dare you to watch this vid:



And BTW, Bush did make mistakes. He broke laws and is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent lives.

He broke laws in your (extraordinarily biased) opinion. Time and history will tell, and you are far from an authority on the matter.

And you keep bringing up lives lost, but how many times do you liberals need to be reminded that there were as many democrats pushing for war as there were Republicans? Nancy Pelosi and other prominent democrats pushed for the war in Iraq as hard as Bush did.

BTW, read that Clarence Page column. It should be very enlightening to you.

 

[JB3]

You are so biased that you would even excuse Bush and claim he only made "mistakes" and broke no laws?
And let's not forget that he lied to us and the Democrats to go to war at a time when we were terrified. He's the one that said that Iraq had nuclear weapons and that they were connected to Al Qaeda. Sure, let's blame the Democrats for Bush's lies...lol

But I can see clearly that now I should not take your posts too seriously. Thanks.

You mean intelligence that Nancy Pelosi had access to? You're so full of it, I'm not even sure where to begin. Yeah, Bush made mistakes, but it isn't exactly like the Democrats had no idea what he was doing.