On-Topic Who are you voting for this November?

[Hankerin1075]

So what use is there for having a law saying violent repeat offenders can't buy guns. OBVIOUSLY Violent repeat offenders can go to a gun show and buy a gun, why then have the law in the first place, since Obviously the current law is NOT enough.

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You made up the FBI refusing to prosecute Hillary's many crimes.

See how that works?

You have never bought a gun from a gun show or ever apparently. There are background checks performed. It's called form 4473. Criminals will always buy guns. That is why it is important for the law abiding to be able to freely purchase them.

 

[TX-Beau]

You have never bought a gun from a gun show or ever apparently. There are background checks performed. It's called form 4473. Criminals will always buy guns. That is why it is important for the law abiding to be able to freely purchase them.

Oh bull-fucking-shit. I HAVE bought a gun at a gun show - with nothing but cash and a smile, and I HAVE bought guns at a "gun store" AND at fucking Wal-Mart, only Wal-Mart was at all conscientious.

Don't just make shit up because your position is fucking illogical.

 

[Kabluey]

Oh bull-fucking-shit. I HAVE bought a gun at a gun show - with nothing but cash and a smile, and I HAVE bought guns at a "gun store" AND at fucking Wal-Mart, only Wal-Mart was at all conscientious.

Don't just make shit up because your position is fucking illogical.

Are there historical posts he can argue with?
Every time the same arguments, from apparent newbies.

Where are the regular Trump followers all of a sudden?

 

[Hankerin1075]

If a store sold you a gun without a 4473 they broke federal law. I would stay away from them in the future. Of course face to face sales are legal in most states. That is a legal purchase. I'm torn on it personally. I don't want the government in my business anymore than absolutely necessary. You can knock off the attitude. Everything you have stated sounds like someone that hasn't seen the inside of a gunshop. Congrats on the purchases. Enjoy them while you can. I've got another flying in to me right now.

 

[TX-Beau]

You have never bought a gun from a gun show or ever apparently. There are background checks performed. It's called form 4473. Criminals will always buy guns. That is why it is important for the law abiding to be able to freely purchase them.

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If a store sold you a gun without a 4473 they broke federal law. I would stay away from them in the future. Of course face to face sales are legal in most states. That is a legal purchase. I'm torn on it personally. I don't want the government in my business anymore than absolutely necessary. You can knock off the attitude. Everything you have stated sounds like someone that hasn't seen the inside of a gunshop. Congrats on the purchases. Enjoy them while you can. I've got another flying in to me right now.

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Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, whether at a gun show or other venue. They also are not required to record the sale, or ask for identification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

GONE!

Are there historical posts he can argue with?
Every time the same arguments, from apparent newbies.

Where are the regular Trump followers all of a sudden?

There's some reality he can argue with. In Texas I can buy a bunch of guns as a "private citizen," go to a gun show, rent a table and sell them to other "private citizens." If I make a profit, SERENDIPITY!

 

[Hankerin1075]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

GONE!

Here's some reality he can argue with. In Texas I can buy a bunch of guns as a "private citizen," go to a gun show, rent a table and sell them to other "private citizens." If I make a profit, SERENDIPITY!

Yes. Face to face private sales are legal purchases. I am well aware. I get the feeling that you don't like that.

 

[rareboy]

You made that number up.

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/universal-background-checks/

The original source of the 40 percent figure is a 1997 National Institute of Justice study by researchers Philip Cook of Duke University and Jens Ludwig of the University of Chicago, who examined data from a 1994 telephone survey about gun ownership. The survey, which sampled 2,568 homes, asked owners an array of questions, including how many guns were in the house, what they were used for, how they were stored and how they were obtained.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rand-says-40-percent-guns-sold-today-escape-/

If anything...with the proliferation of private sales may mean that the number from the 1997 Cook study is way too low.

It’s been the go-to source ever since, despite the fact that those underlying numbers have risen considerably: in 2016, an estimated 82 million gun owners across the country possess 310 million guns.

Aside from how old that survey is, a quick look at the methodology behind it suggests it might be weak, and that there could be more than 124m guns out there that have gone unchecked.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/us-gun-sales-background-checks-data-obama

I don't make shit up.

 

[TX-Beau]

Yes. Face to face private sales are legal purchases. I am well aware. I get the feeling that you don't like that.

Which completely contradicts your assertion that gun shows do background checks.

BTW the Gun store guy "bought" the shotguns from his store, then sold them to me out of his house. Of course He's known me all of my life so it's not like he didn't know who I was, WHY, because I was 15.

 

[Hankerin1075]

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/universal-background-checks/



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rand-says-40-percent-guns-sold-today-escape-/

If anything...with the proliferation of private sales may mean that the number from the 1997 Cook study is way too low.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/us-gun-sales-background-checks-data-obama

I don't make shit up.

You can't trust that study. It is someone's estimate. Nothing more. You repeated some made up shit.

 

[TX-Beau]

You can't trust that study. It is someone's estimate. Nothing more. You repeated some made up shit.

You can't trust cats, they are sly, sly people are probably criminal, CATS ARE CRIMINALS!

 

[Hankerin1075]

You can't trust cats, they are sly, sly people are probably criminal, CATS ARE CRIMINALS!

That is sound logic. Cats are freakin criminals! Mine have stolen my heart.

 

[rareboy]

You can't trust that study. It is someone's estimate. Nothing more. You repeated some made up shit.

Flawed though the statistic might be, there’s good reason to believe it’s still relevant. In 2015, Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center estimated that 40% of gun owners did not undergo a background check when procuring their latest firearm. (This is a slightly different statistic, since it looks at the percentage of gun owners who undergo background checks rather than the percentage of guns owned by individuals who have undergone them.)

Overall, the Harvard researchers found that about 70% of gun owners purchased their most recent guns themselves (of which a third didn’t go through a background check) and 30% of gun owners obtained their guns through a transfer (such as a gift) or an exchange (of which two-thirds didn’t go through a background check).

That means that 40% of current gun owners overall didn’t undergo a background check – some 17.6 million people.

So your response will just be to dismiss the results of any study this way instead of producing your own sources and citations to dispute a statement?

You aren't going to last long here.

 

[Hankerin1075]

So your response will just be to dismiss the results of any study this way instead of producing your own sources and citations to dispute a statement?

You aren't going to last long here.

My point is, there can be no real number due to the nature of the study. Nobody knows how many I've bought without the 4473. Those numbers are a decent ballpark probably. There just isn't any way to know for sure.

I last as long as needed to get the deed done.

 

[Kabluey]

My point is, there can be no real number due to the nature of the study. Nobody knows how many I've bought without the 4473. Those numbers are a decent ballpark probably. There just isn't any way to know for sure.

I last as long as needed to get the deed done.

So on that note, care to back up any of your other assertions on this thread with hard fact?

 

[jbrown329]

I'm just trying to explain my reasoning. You don't have to agree with me. It is very simple. I don't want killary's SC. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. I will vote for whomever opposes her. Simple. I'm not trying to talk you into it. You are all set in your ways. I figured you would be supporting a liberal. No surprise there. I just can't freaking stand hillary.


Don't get started on some tangent about voting rights either. The Republican Party made it possible for minorities to vote in the first place.

That was the fucking 60's. Both parties have went 180. Now it's the GOP that's full of racists. In EVERY state where the Republicans have the majority, they've enacted laws so that POC can not vote. Not Democrats, it's 100% Republicans.

 

[jbrown329]

I want a conservative leaning court. Yes. I do not like the liberal view on gun control. I think the Feds should stay out of the marriage business all together.

Gun fuckers piss me off. If you love your guns so much, lube your dick and shove it in the barrel. Then pull the trigger.

So people who are on the no fly list should be able to buy all the guns they want. Why have background checks? Let every crazed person buy all the guns/ammo that they want. Aurora Colorado and the Virginia Tech shootings come to mind. As does Sandy Hook.

Despite what you think, the majority support enhanced background checks. And support closing the gun show loophole.

 

[Hankerin1075]

That was the fucking 60's. Both parties have went 180. Now it's the GOP that's full of racists. In EVERY state where the Republicans have the majority, they've enacted laws so that POC can not vote. Not Democrats, it's 100% Republicans.

Laws against voting? Can you explain please. Not being funny, I've never heard of any laws like that.

 

[Hankerin1075]

Gun fuckers piss me off. If you love your guns so much, lube your dick and shove it in the barrel. Then pull the trigger.

So people who are on the no fly list should be able to buy all the guns they want. Why have background checks? Let every crazed person buy all the guns/ammo that they want. Aurora Colorado and the Virginia Tech shootings come to mind. As does Sandy Hook.

Despite what you think, the majority support enhanced background checks. And support closing the gun show loophole.

Disagreeing with millions of people is no reason to wish me to shoot myself. That is just rediculous. You are off the deep end with that statement.

 

[jbrown329]

Laws against voting? Can you explain please. Not being funny, I've never heard of any laws like that.

Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law

A federal appeals court has struck down North Carolina’s voter identification law, holding that it was “passed with racially discriminatory intent.”
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"The record makes clear that the historical origin of the challenged provisions in this statute is not the innocuous back-and-forth of routine partisan struggle that the State suggests and that the district court accepted," Judge Diana Motz wrote on behalf of Judges James Wynn and Henry Floyd. "Rather, the General Assembly enacted them in the immediate aftermath of unprecedented African American voter participation in a state with a troubled racial history and racially polarized voting. The district court clearly erred in ignoring or dismissing this historical background evidence, all of which supports a finding of discriminatory intent."

Politico

Next time you can do your own research.

 

[jbrown329]

Disagreeing with millions of people is no reason to wish me to shoot myself. That is just rediculous. You are off the deep end with that statement.

No, the gun fetishists are. They love their guns more than life itself. Even after their child finds a loaded gun and shoots themselves or someone else, like another child.