Who could give me some advice about being gay and being religious.

[PreTTy PeTe]

^ Well , i would call that "a good deed"....................Think i will have to add "Religion" to the catergory off "cut/uncut and "racial " Threads...............

so many religions so little time

if i walked into st peters and did gave a beggar money would it be a good deed.

but then I knew that the person who lived in st peters was a billionaire, like the pope.

would that make me sad in the eyes of god

 

[medic1]

^Nope , just a "pragmatist" , *and a handsome one* at that .

btw , I think the new "Pope" has refused "such" trappings . You will get no argument from me on the "down" side of Religion , just that the people who "always" hit you with the same argument , end up getting "hit" with our same argument .
At the end of the day , it really boils down to a "personal" choice .
Speaking for myself , at one time i was full of "hate" towards the idiots that killed my soul-mate . The only way i was able to "function" was to rid myself of that hate .

It took a while . My "personal" choice , as it should be .

 

[kallipolis]

^Nope , just a "pragmatist" , *and a handsome one* at that .

btw , I think the new "Pope" has refused "such" trappings . You will get no argument from me on the "down" side of Religion , just that the people who "always" hit you with the same argument , end up getting "hit" with our same argument .
At the end of the day , it really boils down to a "personal" choice .
Speaking for myself , at one time i was full of "hate" towards the idiots that killed my soul-mate . The only way i was able to "function" was to rid myself of that hate .

It took a while . My "personal" choice , as it should be .

Therapeutic and life enhancing words that are worth their salt if only because they evidence your choice to heal your self.

Hatred and self pity are self destructive and guaranteed to feed the blame game while ignoring our own responsibility to become the author of the remedies that will resolve our often self inflicted wounds eating away at our self respect.

 

[mbamike]

Wow I didn't mean to start such a large argument, but thank you to the people who are willing to help and have offered their knowledge. I will reply to everyone who said they would like to talk to me soon. I work a lot so I don't have much time to come on here but once I get the chance (most likely in a couple days) I will respond. I will try to do it today but if not expect to hear from me Monday or Tuesday. thank you all again.

Jayden, please accept my apology on behalf of my fellow JUBBERS who have commandeered your thread and turned it into an argument about religion which has little to nothing to do with answering your question.

This seems to be an epidemic here on JUB. Posters can't stick to the original topic.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

But, to your point, is it necessary to interpret Christianity as doing something because the adherents were told to do so in some authoritarian manner?

What is to say that the Christ did not teach the way to help others and ourselves and that his followers continue to learn those lessons some two milennia later?

Is it necessarily any different than a Buddhist following his guide out of study and learning.

Yes, the Church has been authoritarian and still in some some ways and places, but it doesn't follow that men do not choose to follow teachings of the rabbi who began it.

i am more of that pay it forward type of guy.

i know that when I loan money that I probably won't get it back and that's ok with me.

i know that when I can i will buy food for the beggar on the street(and being a world class city Toronto you should be ashamed people beg on the street)

Religions do scare me because of all the crap done in the name of it.

 

[medic1]

Jayden, please accept my apology on behalf of my fellow JUBBERS who have commandeered your thread and turned it into an argument about religion which has little to nothing to do with answering your question.

This seems to be an epidemic here on JUB. Posters can't stick to the original topic.

^Nope , there has been no "hijacking" of this Thread , what you see is members exercising "free will" , and i think that the "original"
question was about advice , the OP has had that in spades .
As in "real" live , he will get "support" as well as "derision" , this Thread has shown that Perfectly .

 

[chillyboi]

speaking as a Catholic, God loves you, but prefers you don't have nookie

 

[oakpope]

Religions do scare me because of all the crap done in the name of it.

You have many reasons, unfortunately, to be scared. But it's not religion the culprit, it's power. Churchmen should be counselors, educators, mentors. That leads easily to temptation of power. It's not inherent to religion, but of the need for some to take advantage of their knowledge over others.

Be scared of what humanity is capable of, but be in awe of the marvels humanity can also do. Religion is and should be a magnificent gift.

 

[Melgum]

So, not by Jesus then, but a discussion of disparate followers some twenty years after his death. Hardly 'God said so'.

Presents the same difficulty, which bits said by his followers do you follow and which bits do you not. And how do you make that decision?

MM

 

[Melgum]

Yep. It is a challenge.

Do you want to be in an afterlife with Rush Limbaugh and no dogs or suffer the everlasting torments of hell? Tough choice that one...

MM

 

[Melgum]

You have many reasons, unfortunately, to be scared. But it's not religion the culprit, it's power. Churchmen should be counselors, educators, mentors. That leads easily to temptation of power. It's not inherent to religion, but of the need for some to take advantage of their knowledge over others.

Be scared of what humanity is capable of, but be in awe of the marvels humanity can also do. Religion is and should be a magnificent gift.

Thankfully, we can do marvels without having to believe in imaginary friends. They are at best an irrelevance, and at worst prevent mankind from making progress. This is why when Hawking went to the Vatican he asked to see the records of the trial of Galileo of 1633.

MM

 

[oakpope]

What's your point my friend ? Do you think we're all hypocrites or lunatics or fools misguided by con men ?

How can I describe how that works for me ? I have core beliefs. Some come from Jesus' teachings as is written in the New Testament. If I encounter something, like in Leviticus for example that advices that rapists should marry their victims, I question this in regard of these core values. If that doesn't match, either I choose to disregard or I try and inform myself deeper about the matter, as my first understanding can be faulty.

I don't consider the Bible to be the one and only thing that matters and that I should only live my life following it by the letter. It's a message, a legacy of the wisdom of God and Jesus and important and wise prophets. They offer us all matters to pounder, guidance to establish our values, a light to help us decipher the world and our own minds.

I'm not a slave to the Book, but a friend.

PS : It's only my point of view and is probably not at all the canonical one.

PPS : If you achieve Wisdom and Goodness without the Book or the help of any religion, good for you ! I'll be happy for you you reach this state by yourself. But not everyone is capable of such feats, and it's easier to reach a goal, often, when you're based on the works of other.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

You have many reasons, unfortunately, to be scared. But it's not religion the culprit, it's power. Churchmen should be counselors, educators, mentors. That leads easily to temptation of power. It's not inherent to religion, but of the need for some to take advantage of their knowledge over others.

Be scared of what humanity is capable of, but be in awe of the marvels humanity can also do. Religion is and should be a magnificent gift.

I don't know if God exists and I probably will never know but religion is man made and scares the shit out of me.

so religion is a gift that I can live without.

 

[JPGhost]

I believe in god- look at my contribution at atheist thread: none?

Although must admit some of funny as hell

 

[ArseYouLikeIt]

speaking as a Catholic, God loves you, but prefers you don't have nookie

Hahaha !!

 

[medic1]

speaking as a Catholic, God loves you, but prefers you don't have nookie

*speaking as a Catholic , God loves you , but the "hierarchy" in the Church prefers you don`t have nookie.....My take...

 

[Kulindahr]

So, not by Jesus then, but a discussion of disparate followers some twenty years after his death. Hardly 'God said so'.

Presents the same difficulty, which bits said by his followers do you follow and which bits do you not. And how do you make that decision?

MM

You read the entire book, and follow it.

That means, for starters, that the Old Testament is there to show us how people screwed up, and to demonstrate what happens when people try to be righteous by following rules -- but not to be obeyed.

 

[Kulindahr]

Thankfully, we can do marvels without having to believe in imaginary friends. They are at best an irrelevance, and at worst prevent mankind from making progress. This is why when Hawking went to the Vatican he asked to see the records of the trial of Galileo of 1633.

MM

JaydenLuke, observe here something important about being religious and gay: pay no attention to the bitter, deliberate misrepresentation of the record as demonstrated above.

 

[eddielee]

My advice about being gay and religious is don't get caught up in fruitless arguments with people outside of your faith. Of course you can have both a meaningful gay life and a meaningful spiritual life. Be strong and positive about what you believe in and avoid negative people.

 

[oakpope]

This may help you :