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Why do certain black people say it is impossible for them to be racist?

Maybe. But it trivializes the one to call it by the same name as the other.

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And as for being part of the same continuum of behaviors different processes are almost certainly at work in the person exhibiting said racism.
 
Some white people in the US have a really hard time understanding racism because it's something white people don't have to think about unless it is brought to their attention. When people who experience racism tell white people, their first reaction is denial, followed by aggression. Everyone has the capacity to be ignorant, but black people cannot be racist on the level to oppress white people. Our education system, our political system, our society is racist. What's even more frustrating is that some people, such as the OP, believe this is an online Tumblr concept despite it spanning mover decades in research and reports. Do your research.
 
Maybe. But it trivializes the one to call it by the same name as the other.

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And as for being part of the same continuum of behaviors different processes are almost certainly at work in the person exhibiting said racism.

so, to uses other example, calling something undesirable "gay," firing someone for being gay, killing Matthew Shepard, and shovelling the people wearing pink triangles into gas chambers - all part of a continuum; we call all of it "homophobia" or we describe the violence as "homophobic violence," and we do that I think without much controversy. Pointing out the commonality does not diminish the relative enormity of one thing vs another, whether that commonality is racism or homophobia.
 
Btw I agree that different processes can be at work and I think I can even see that within the examples I picked. A kid spotting off about something being gay is a very different thing than a government systematically trying to exterminate all the gay defectives. It still isn't wrong to put them in sequence on a continuum even if they came about differently.
 
The power element / structural element is necessary for anything to rise any higher than simple individual prejudice.

If you go with any other definition, you equate "I don't like white people" with "I don't blame the cops for shooting blacks" as being exactly the same thing.

Racism is not a system, or an institution, it is a kind of simple prejudice.
There needs to be a descriptor attached for racism to be empowered. The question of who the victim and oppressor is unanswered by the word alone.

There is no weighting involved in the word 'racism' as to how serious the effects of someone's racism is.
When particular types of racism are described, as in societal, structural or institutional racism then the power is qualified.
 
They're all part of the same continuum of behaviour and all racism.

By that same logic, spankings and beheadings are on the same continuum of behavior. To make any kind of attempt to draw equivalency or comparison between the two is equally ridiculous, though.
 
By that same logic, spankings and beheadings are on the same continuum of behavior.

I find being the bearer of bad news tedious but they are on the same continuum of behavior. Both are considered physical abuses on anothers' person. T'the best of my knowledge they can be considered on a continuum by the same thought process that describes distinctions in racist behavior as well. Tho I still think you two are arguing past each other.
 
I find being the bearer of bad news tedious but they are on the same continuum of behavior. Both are considered physical abuses on anothers' person. T'the best of my knowledge they can be considered on a continuum by the same thought process that describes distinctions in racist behavior as well. Tho I still think you two are arguing past each other.

Yeah, back to the original question in the op, anyone can be racist, it's just that only empowered racists can oppress others.

People should not reinterpret words to excuse their own behavior or prejudices. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
For a white man to call a black man the "n" word and a black man to call a white man a cracker is the same behavior. However it is to a different end,
When the white man hears this he knows that it lacks any effect, unless he is outnumbered, perhaps in a prison type situation... then he is the minority.
When a black man hears a racial slur he knows it reflects the bias and prejudice of the establishment.
 
For a white man to call a black man the "n" word and a black man to call a white man a cracker is the same behavior.

I disagree. IMHO, the one term reflects race — which isn't chosen —, but the other term reflects the other group's predominance, or their ancestors'… deliberately chosen occupation, so to say.

(Well, Euro-Europeans generally don't have "crackers" among their ancestry (apart from some 2000 years ago), so if someone would call me a "cracker" I would understand that I'm a biscuit, unsweetened apparently.)
 
If I got called a Cracker I would be more offended by being referred to as such a boring food rather then anything race related.
 
I disagree. IMHO, the one term reflects race — which isn't chosen —, but the other term reflects the other group's predominance, or their ancestors'… deliberately chosen occupation, so to say.

(Well, Euro-Europeans generally don't have "crackers" among their ancestry (apart from some 2000 years ago), so if someone would call me a "cracker" I would understand that I'm a biscuit, unsweetened apparently.)

The words or names used by either person(s) are not the point, it is the intent that is the point, in both cases the terms are used as a means to express contempt and bigotry.
In the situation of a white person doing this it also reflects the fact that it is a white man's world (at least in the USA) and that the black man does not experience full privilege.
 
The words or names used by either person(s) are not the point, it is the intent that is the point, in both cases the terms are used as a means to express contempt and bigotry.

To an extent, I can agree with you. Both terms in question, "n…", and "c…", can be perceived as "group-focused enmity" insults.

In the situation of a white person doing this it also reflects the fact that it is a white man's world (at least in the USA) and that the black man does not experience full privilege.

Yes, there is a difference regarding the particular context of the respective term:

"n…" is —used by a white speaker—clearly voicing a white supremacist stance, whereas the "c…" word isn't necessarily voicing a black supremacist stance but rather a historical reminder.
 
I find being the bearer of bad news tedious but they are on the same continuum of behavior.

They can be taken and understood that way, if one wishes to conceive of the issue uselessly. Like I conceded in one of my earliest responses in the thread when Rexcaliber pulled a dictionary definition of racism from Webster or elsewhere. If we wish to pretend that everyone who has ever felt any sting of being teased or had any group to which they belong made fun of has "experienced racism", then we can pretend it's meaningful to place these things into the same definition or the same continuum of behavior.

If, for example, we pretend that teasing and structural society-wide discrimination are both included under the same concept, and are merely two different points of the same "continuum", then it stands to reason if we sufficiently eliminate people saying, repeating or expressing negative thoughts about other groups, structural racism too will end. That's certainly how the white mainstream has "dealt" with racism for the past half century. But would you say that the banning of certain words or slurs in everyday social speech has had a very direct relationship with ending racial profiling, police violence, redlining or anything else? Or has it only created a situation where so long as people are sufficiently discreet with their use of language, we all get to pretend (as American society in general does, see: Ferguson) that any string of incidents or any consistent patterns of behavior, no matter how much they victimize certain groups and never others, isn't actually motivated by race and that people who imply it is are simply "pulling the race card"?
 
People are getting to philosophical on this thread racism is indeed about a system of power who has it and who abuses it and the people who don't got it. Power is the key ingredient to racism without someone abusing the power whether it is social, political, economic power. In canada, the Aboriginals endure a lot of racism there is no inquiry into the death of 1000 Aboriginal women since 1990. Since there is an election in canada this year Stephen Harper does not want to get into it. There should be an inquiry.
 
@XBuzzer,

I tend to work with the social justice definition of racism, which starts at the dictionary definition and then has words added to it depending on context. To me, racism at home with its feet up has a simple definition. Then when you add institutional power (which in this case would be by being white) or societal expectation (both of which influence the original definition, as I understand it) is when you get racism with societally-approved teeth.

Let's take, er, cracker as an example. It doesn't hurt me because there's no personal history that involves people using it as an insult to me. Even if there was a group of bullies that harassed me as a child and used the word in conjunction, that's still not socially-approved racism. It's just a bit of a dick move by some kids. If the opposite occurred, it would be both a dick move by some kids and socially-approved racist behavior which shores up other nasty shit - which makes y'feel horrid.

I would like to keep the plain definition of racist in existence because I don't see it as a useless definition. There's also that I see the word as being involved in all the different bits (societally, structurally ect) of racism and I think its existence helps encourage that kind of 'acknowledge it dammit' conversation. Tiny r racism is in all of the institutionalized, socially approved, swaggery racism and I think it is hazardous to drop that definition because the end result seems to showcase that only socially approved, large scale racism 'matters'. It both lets people 'get away' with everyday banal racism because what is a lone individual going to be able to do, really and it also encourages the belief (at least in the northern usa) that the only racism that matters is racism on a large scale.

The guys on the corner where the movie theatre is with a microphone hate everyone but their own tiny, tiny group of individuals and I consider them racist as hell. Not because they used slurs or names in their screed (they didn't) but because of the views they espoused, up to and including forced servitude of everyone but them because....reasons, apparently. No idea what their race was. Pretty sure they weren't white but I don't know what they identified as and they loathed...a hell of a lot of groups in their screed. While white people were on the list we were far from the only ones.

I think the word racism (like the rest of the words that have a basic definition about -ism) can still be useful, particularly when I notice that someone is doing something randomly nasty because they think something bad about a racially coded characteristic someone else has (or is perceived to have) and see an opening to make their life just a little bit more miserable. I suspect it happens a hell of a lot more often than people let on. I suppose you can call it horizontal hostility (since it usually happens between people who both have an end of the 'there but for the grace o'god go I' stick, even if it's different crappy ends - race and class in an instance) but that doesn't really capture what the issue is.

I've a suspicion there's a lot of those kinds of people simply because I see a lot of them myself - people who, at a guess, are only on an axis or two of privilege and gripping it with both hands and they get pissy, shall we say, of someone that they perceive gets something they don't (despite them not needing the same service) - I lost count a long time ago, for instance, of how many people think it's fine to quiz someone to make sure they're 'really' disabled and deserving of whatever meager service the toothless ada law gives. And half the time it isn't even a quiz, it's just an insistence that you don't need or deserve the same accessibility that such and so has. So no, I don't...trust, I suppose you'd say, the idea of getting rid of the everyday banal definition of racism since it would let John and Jane Doe off the hook. Ableism isn't exactly a household word and that's what we've got going on - I don't see how it would be different if racism were phased out to mean only institutional. Sexism is currently where racism is at with regards to word usage and institutional and people have been trying to get others to stop referring to sexism in situations not institutional for decades. It lets people pretend there isn't much of a problem anymore.

As for your last paragraph, that depends - are you in the north or the south? Granted, they both suck but culturally they're quite different with the acknowledgement of racism. The south is actually much better at it because in the north when someone uses the word racism they only mean institutionalized and done by no one they know because they're 'Good People'. I agree with the banning of slurs, the difference is I don't think a mere banning is going to deal with the underlying problem of who made the words and why.
 
For a white man to call a black man the "n" word and a black man to call a white man a cracker is the same behavior. However it is to a different end,
When the white man hears this he knows that it lacks any effect, unless he is outnumbered, perhaps in a prison type situation... then he is the minority.
When a black man hears a racial slur he knows it reflects the bias and prejudice of the establishment.

The weight of being called the n word is not comparable to being called a cracker. Thats the thing about this so called reverse racism is that it implies that white people and black people experience equivalent forms of racism, and that isn't the case in the U.S.
 
@XBuzzer,

I tend to work with the social justice definition of racism

I work with academic definitions which do not recognize racism as simply "the ordinary kind of prejudice or inside/outside bias anyone can accuse various individual members of absolutely any group of having, just a little tiny bit meaner, with absolutely no power component." Sitting at a lunch table in a mixed-race school or work environment with people primarily of your own ethnic group, vs. your ethnic group being forbidden to marry or reside near whites by law, are two entirely different ballgames. Someone who call pull out some anecdote about seeing the first does not have a valid claim to having experienced something like the second. It's no more useful conceiving of these two things as related anymore than entertaining the idea that men who are not invited with a gaggle of women to the restroom have become the victims of matriarchal sexism.

Ultimately I can only repeat what I've said several times in this thread. If we cohere the definition of racism down to "all it requires is that I have ever in any way been made to feel uncomfortable about my group vs. someone else's group", then why bother discussing racism at all. Everyone can pull out anecdotes up the wazoo and claim, with that definition, that virtually every group is the victim of racism and racist ideas at the hands of every other group. All it does is water down the concept and feed the errant notion of "reverse racism" which does not exist but which many whites fervently believe does, largely due to distorting what actual racism is into something light, individual, social and largely inconsequential.
 
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