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Yeah, people on here HATE people like you, me, and a FEW others on here who think for themselves and tell the truth. People with wisdom and insight are not always respected and I couldn't give a shit about who likes me or doesn't on here. I am NOT after anyone's approval and I dislike just as many people here myself. People would rather be LIED to so they can feel better about themselves. I just REFUSE to cuddle anyone's self esteem here. They need to do that themselves and admit that they are NOT straight men or anything like them.
And you know what else? The straight guys that I talked with were offended that they were EVEN being compared with gay men. That alone I think pissed them off.
Ha ha, you ROCK! I also think that you are smart, logical, and one of the few REAL men on here as well. Btw, I put Lex on ignore because he said he wasn't listening to what I said anymore, so why bother? Damn, my ignore list is getting HUGE.
>>>As for what we should call effeminate men, you tell me. If a guy acts like a woman and have the same psychology of a woman, how much of a man he is because he has a penis?
You can't win an argument with a person who sets the definitions wherever he chooses. We've already ascertained that your definition of "gay" differs from at least 98% of the people on this board (and, I'd argue, 98% of people in general). So long as you can set the definitions as you see fit, I don't see me making any headway in an argument against you. But then again, that's hardly my purpose in continuing this thread, is it?
My personal belief? So long as he's got the dangly bits, he's a man. He can shoot the effeminate meter into the red, he can dress like a woman 100% of the time, but he's still a man. You might argue that he's isn't "manly" at all, and I wouldn't argue that. But there's a reason we say things like "manly man" - it suggest the noun might need the adjective.
My father would occasionally tell me to "be a man", but it never had anything to do with masculinity. He never said it if he found me crying or doing something that might be deemed effeminate. He only said it when he thought I was acting childish, or shirking responsibility. When he'd say "be a man", it would be used interchangeably with "man up" - be an adult, and do the right thing. And that's something even the most effeminate guy can do.
Lex
I put 3 people from this thread alone on to my ignore list. You and I BOTH know that these people here know what the truth is. They are just worried about their reputations on here and having people get mad at them or dislike them for being able to think for THEMSELVES, tell the truth, and not follow the pack. The fact that so many gay men fetishize straight men tells me right there that something isn't quite adding up. If there were NO differences, then why like straight men so much? It's because MOST gay men prefer masculine traits and most straight men naturally have those, hence why the fetish even exist. It's that mixed with the forbidden fruit, but more the MAN factor. Why does this need to be denied?
Don't ask me I didn't say it. Do you want links so you can talk to some of these guys and ask them?
Well people asked and wanted Dduder and myself to provide facts on what some people think of gay men when it comes to being compared to straight men and their masculinity. I'm just delivering that for the ones who wanted proof on what SOME straight men think about gay males. I'm still down for doing anonymous surveys and polls on straight and mainstream websites to get a full census sample of what the majority of average people think. You could also ask them why THEY feel that way about gay men.
