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Why do movie makers have such low faith in humanity?

Alistair said:
Haven’t you seen how people act when a snowstorm is predicted that they’re going to get more than an inch? They’ll grab milk and bread out of each others hands and tear a grocery store apart because their little world is going to be inconvenienced for a few days.
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Those were probably people who normally eat all their meals at drive throughs and don't keep any food in the house. LOL Probably in a panic over having to cook and not knowing how.
 
Kahaih said:
Those were probably people who normally eat all their meals at drive throughs and don't keep any food in the house. LOL Probably in a panic over having to cook and not knowing how.
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During lockdowns I heard of a fat guy, who apparently was some sort of radio personality, or a personality among radio personalities, founding himself in distress because there would be no restaurants open to feed him.

Back in 2008, a TV show in Spain "got inside Spaniards' fridges"... to find "working-class" people's bursting with food, and better-off's offering half a bar of chocolate... because, if you walk around downtown BCN (I mean real downtown theme park for locals, not the downtown theme park for tourists) or Madrid, you can see retired middle-class Spaniards filling restaurants to have their meals.
 
belamyi said:
During lockdowns I heard of a fat guy, who apparently was some sort of radio personality, or a personality among radio personalities, founding himself in distress because there would be no restaurants open to feed him.
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Exactly.

And, he is probably still hoarding toilet paper. LOL
 
Kahaih said:
Exactly.

And, he is probably still hoarding toilet paper. LOL
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Ha! No. He was the typical "Spanish bon vivant" with the right connections to have friends serve him what they could not offer to the general public.

The funny thing was the situation of an apparently "well-fed" guy who totally relied on going out to pay for other people's cooking in order to keep his "wellness".
 
There are still restaurants giving up the ghost because business never came back well enough to keep them alive.
 
In any case, I found "Old Hollywood" starry-eyed optimism infinitely more depressing, because it paved the way for the current helplessness in front of the real world.

In old-fashioned Hollywood (reaching down to the Reagan era, which was the zombie condition of good ol' America), you could always rely on the bad people throwing themselves through a window (of a very high floor), down a flight of stairs, or having some "supporting character" do the abominable dirty job for the hero or, even worse, the terrible, murderous gangster take the lengthy spiel of the rightful heroes without acting like the terrible, murderous gangster he is supposed to be.
 
Kahaih said:
There are still restaurants giving up the ghost because business never came back well enough to keep them alive.
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Every crisis leaves its trail. The movie is supposed to be a really, really bad communist crisis, in which everybody gets hit equally... well, always leaving aside the ghost people who must keep the world turning no matter what after no matter what.
 
It’s not so much that movie makers have little faith in humanity but their storylines do follow the news philosophy of ‘if it bleeds it leads’. Audiences respond to that but in reality when disaster strikes people pull together, neighbors and strangers alike. If you go back before FEMA came into being in Johnstown in 1889 or SF in 1906 or the NO flood of 1927 in each case no violence broke out and the injured were taken care of. It’s when FEMA comes in that those people are sidelined so order can be restored. I think it’s an old joke but the quickest way to achieve peace on earth is have aliens massing on the moon in preparation for the invasion of earth.
 
belamyi said:
In any case, I found "Old Hollywood" starry-eyed optimism infinitely more depressing, because it paved the way for the current helplessness in front of the real world.

In old-fashioned Hollywood (reaching down to the Reagan era, which was the zombie condition of good ol' America), you could always rely on the bad people throwing themselves through a window (of a very high floor), down a flight of stairs, or having some "supporting character" do the abominable dirty job for the hero or, even worse, the terrible, murderous gangster take the lengthy spiel of the rightful heroes without acting like the terrible, murderous gangster he is supposed to be.
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*You could always rely on wicked, cold-minded scheming bad people have a moment of sudden mindlessness that would throw them through the window of a very high floor, or down a steep flight of stairs
 
Norri said:
It’s not so much that movie makers have little faith in humanity but their storylines do follow the news philosophy of ‘if it bleeds it leads’. Audiences respond to that but in reality when disaster strikes people pull together, neighbors and strangers alike. If you go back before FEMA came into being in Johnstown in 1889 or SF in 1906 or the NO flood of 1927 in each case no violence broke out and the injured were taken care of. It’s when FEMA comes in that those people are sidelined so order can be restored. I think it’s an old joke but the quickest way to achieve peace on earth is have aliens massing on the moon in preparation for the invasion of earth.
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Again, you are counting on the context of a stable background on which good, responsible actions can fall back to flourish again, that is, of a main flow of order to which a momentaneously disrupted part can reconnect.

Even if there would always be people "pulling together" under any circumstances, the movie reflects the apocalyptic (or, rather, 'realist', disenchanted) view that most people or, at least, the "movers-and-shakers" of society, will set the tone in a context of utter, final demise.

It is the "wrecking few" and "silent majority" view against the "stupimistic", john-waynesque, blockbusteresque view of the swashbuckling chosen few saving the helpless wide unwashed world out there.
 
It's a good topic for a thread, I think.

I agree most with Norri about poetic license. Threats, flaws, heroes and villains are all exaggerated, accelerated, and concentrated. It's the method of the 90-minute medium.

As for businesses folding post-pandemic, that is ok. Many of them handled it all badly. For others, their business case simply wasn't strong enough. Small businesses do fail a lot. Many that should have before did not because they could coast along on minimal effort with a customer base that had little alternative. That's no longer the case.

To Dominus' point, I strongly agree with him that our conflict is much exaggerated over reality. In times of disaster, overwhelmingly we pull together and help our neighbors, far sooner than the government can act. Bad actors like the merchants who price gouge generators or the customers who hoard everything, are still the exception, and a small minority.

And, gun ownership in the U.S. is STILL less than half: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

Whereas that may be "saturation" in the same sense that 20% of citizens drinking might be a high percentage, it isn't true literally even if the research is missing undeclared guns. Most gun owners are proud to declare, other than felons.

If there were a real EMP detonation, there would be communication soon enough that the impact was nationwide, etc., and there would indeed be survivalists who would raid stores, hoard every commodity possible, ally with militias, and retreat from community. When and if that ever occurs, the rest of us will band together and do our best to survive or fail together, to make non-aggression treaties with the fearful, and attempt to kill all the others before they kill us.

I need to find an interview with the Obamas explaining their purpose. I have to assume it is a values clarification exercise, intentionally planted ahead of the election.
 
^ Frontals?

Nah, of course not. The chariots-of-fire genre is too Loretta-Young-friendly 1705095083335.jpeg

Inspiring what?
 
Alistair said:
Haven’t you seen how people act when a snowstorm is predicted that they’re going to get more than an inch? They’ll grab milk and bread out of each others hands and tear a grocery store apart because their little world is going to be inconvenienced for a few days.
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Look how the media reports it. It's all gloom and doom and fear mongering. People love that.

 
^ People had been laughing for decades at that sort of food for redneck brains, and now they are getting all wrought up because those redneck zombies are threatening democracy.
 
Norri said:
If you go back before FEMA came into being in Johnstown in 1889 or SF in 1906 or the NO flood of 1927 in each case no violence broke out and the injured were taken care of. It’s when FEMA comes in that those people are sidelined so order can be restored. I think it’s an old joke but the quickest way to achieve peace on earth is have aliens massing on the moon in preparation for the invasion of earth.
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NotHardUp1 said:
In times of disaster, overwhelmingly we pull together and help our neighbors, far sooner than the government can act.
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May have been true in the past, but are you guys sure about this moving forward? Look at the America's reaction to COVID four years ago (and I'm not talking about Trump).

I don't think I've seen such a sociopolitical change in our social fabric happen so quickly in my lifetime as it has in the past four years. If politicians openly called for the eradication of an entire swath of citizens in the 80's, there would be outrage. Now we just choose sides. Everything -- racism, homophobia, entertainment, restaurants, toys, beer -- runs the risk of being politicized these days. And now religion has been thrown into the mix, from the radicalization of Christianity that many embrace to the extremely incendiary middle east conflict du jour, we just choose sides. We see each other for what we represent and look no deeper.
NotHardUp1 said:
I agree most with Norri about poetic license. Threats, flaws, heroes and villains are all exaggerated, accelerated, and concentrated. It's the method of the 90-minute medium.
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A melodrama is only as good as it's villain.



There's a Netflix show called Black Summer that nobody watched. It's a zombie apocalypse thriller with barely any zombies. Instead, it focuses on the resulting social breakdown, and it's often terrifying.
 
Peloso said:
May have been true in the past, but are you guys sure about this moving forward? Look at the America's reaction to COVID four years ago (and I'm not talking about Trump).
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The difference here is that with Covid not everyone saw disaster, lacking the people dropping dead in the streets some didn’t see any reason to change behavior but give them a biblical plague and they’ll fall right into line.
Peloso said:
I don't think I've seen such a sociopolitical change in our social fabric happen so quickly in my lifetime as it has in the past four years.
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Me neither.
 
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