Why do so many left-wing 'gay activists' attack Christinaity but excuse Islam?

[rareboy]

I am grateful that I live in Canada.

 

[sixthson]

I am grateful that I live in Canada.

So are we

 

[Soilwork]

The reason the politically correct won't say the same things about Islam is because they want to keep their heads. Simple as that.

I don't think anyone in America is in any danger of ISIS beheading us.

We're in much more danger of Christians with guns than anything else, honestly.

 

[Soilwork]

Believe it or not, I actually think that throwing gays off buildings is worse than not believing that they should marry.

They're throwing gay people off buildings in Australia? I had no idea. That's horrible.

Also I want to give to pertinent examples of recent double standards:

1. At the recent Mardi Gras, there were floats mocking Christians, but none mocking Islam.
2. A Christian cake shop in America refused ro make a cake for a gay wedding because of their beliefs, and the left hounded them. A Muslim cake shop did the same and not a word was said.

1. Mardi Gras is a Christian holiday so... it would make sense to make fun of Christians during it.
3. Find me this story about the "Muslim cake shop," I don't think I remember it.

 

[Soilwork]

Whatever happened to tolerance and accepting other people's beliefs?

you can believe whatever fucked up, stupid shit you want.

If you want to believe a Jewish zombie walked on water... gurl, you go right ahead.

But the moment you try to stop me from marrying... THEN we're going to have a problem. And no amount of "boo hoo... at least I'm not throwing you off a building" is going to stop that, luv.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is something that really irks me about the gay lobby. The vast majority are not truly advocating for gay rights because they have nothing to say about Islam. In Muslim countries it is not only illegal to actually be gay, but it is permissible to actually throw gays off buildings. Muslims believe that the best thing to do for gays is to kill them. Yet not a word is said by the so-called gay activits. The left excuses everything about Islam. On the other hand, not one single Christian (or any other religion for that matter) country kills gays. Here in Australia the left attacks Christians all the time for merely being against homosexual marriage, which is a personal belief based on their religion. Whatever happened to tolerance and accepting other people's beliefs? I am gay but I am conservative and Christian, and I don't have double standards and I am not a hypocrite. Believe it or not, I actually think that throwing gays off buildings is worse than not believing that they should marry.

Also I want to give to pertinent examples of recent double standards:

1. At the recent Mardi Gras, there were floats mocking Christians, but none mocking Islam.
2. A Christian cake shop in America refused ro make a cake for a gay wedding because of their beliefs, and the left hounded them. A Muslim cake shop did the same and not a word was said.

Just for information's sake, there is a strong strain of Christianity in the U.S., part of what is often called Dominionism, that does in fact advocate putting gays to death; their position, if made that of government, would allow crowds to stone people to death on suspicion of being gay -- not proof, but suspicion.

By the measure of Christianity historically, they're heretics, but that doesn't mean much in this century; they're still a real force, and indeed have their clutches deep into the military, a fact that is extremely worrisome.

 

[Kulindahr]

Because they are idiots who have never actually bothered to read the Koran.

I've read it, and it isn't all that bad. The real evil is in the Haddith, the alleged sayings of the Prophet. In the generation following Muhammad, people who'd barely known him but got into some position of power regularly made up sayings to support some prejudice they held. On its own, the Quran can be read without all the prejudices, especially if the material is put into chronological order, but with the current tendency to interpret the Quran through the Haddith, well, the result is barbaric.

Perhaps the biggest issue is the belief that it was dictated in its present form and that this form is but a copy of the original which is in Heaven. Christians with that belief about the Bible have always comprised the most hateful and dangerous ones, but that is not a position that has been official for any significant historical Christian body -- whereas with Islam it is the default position, and thus the hateful and dangerous elements of Islam are by default in the ascendance. If the Quran were treated, as the Bible is, as a product of human endeavor (though with divine inspiration), there could be some hope for Islam; as it is, there is none.

 

[Kulindahr]

I've said it over and over. Religion is not the cause of homophobia, but the excuse. Homophobia exists because straight people as a majority fear and misunderstand the deviants, which we are. We deviate from what they experience and know. Religion affords a convenient premise to justify their fear and bias. But let's be honest, there are tons more Levitical laws that mean nothing to the homophobes. They focus on gays because we are other, and they don't have to worry about the Writ condemning them.

And JUB as a general rule excuses Judaism for its laws and simply leaves them at the feet of Christians to own as inherited dogma. That's likely due to the relative scarcity of Jews by population, the large number of American secular Jews, and the disproportionately higher representation of Jewish scholars in America in ratio to their total population here.

Religion as a rule is no friend of gays, but sects of it are. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism get more attention here for the simple reasons they are the majority here.

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Absolutely. It's easier to make an anti-gay case in Islam, but there's also a strong case to be made (as was done often here by a former member) that it is not a general condemnation, and that the real problem is just as you stated.

For Christianity, from the evidence before the emperor Theodosius tied it to government it had no condemnation of homosexuals, just the same condemnations of promiscuity and infidelity for everyone.

One aspect that is almost universally overlooked is that the very practice among all three Abrahamic religions of using elements of the Torah (Old Testament 'law') to condemn others is blasted harshly in the Old Testament itself, by the prophets; for Christians, it is also condemned by Jesus. It's pretty easy to tell if a sect is anti-gay just by looking at what parts of the Bible they prefer: those who ignore Jesus and the Prophets and dwell in the codes in Leviticus and Deuteronomy are invariably anti-gay... and treat even the parts they dwell in as shopping lists where items are optional.

That attitude is dealt with quite nicely in this bit -- regardless of whether the source is Jewish, Muslim, or Christian:

That's exactly what the Apostle Paul had in mind when he told Christians that if they're going to follow any of the Law, they have to follow ALL of it.

 

[Kulindahr]

Could you provide a link to the story about the Muslim cake shop?? I'd be interested in reading it.

Second the motion.

 

[Moryse]

I don't think anyone in America is in any danger of ISIS beheading us.

We're in much more danger of Christians with guns than anything else, honestly.

Racists dont understand that. They wont get it.

 

[Kulindahr]

And homos aren't actually bashing the Christians...they are bashing the same bronze age Old Testament underpinnings of faith that true Christians understand to be superseded by Christ's own teaching. Like many 'Christians', they confuse the teachings of the old testament and the Pauline doctrines with what their prophet actually taught.

What many people want is a black and white approach to all of this.

That serves no one.

I find that when most people put down Christianity or Christians they make no distinction as to what flavor they bad mouth. It's usually "the Christians".
On the other hand most major religions are against gays and gay rights.

When talking with Christians I like to emphasize what Jesus implied in the Sermon on the Mount and the Apostle Paul put into plain language: you either follow all the Law, or none of it -- you can't pick and choose. Then Paul makes the astounding claim (also implied by Jesus) that following the Law never brought any righteousness... at all. I should start pointing that out to others as well, as something they can point to when dealing with Christians.

The problem is that most humans love to either make or grab onto rules they can use to make others behave in ways pleasing to them, and religious people are not immune to that. So it's almost a natural inclination to ignore what your own religion actually says and grab at those rules -- even when your religion plainly says to not do so.

Thus many people, indeed most, ignore the large part of the Old Testament called the Prophets. It's very unsettling to read things that are supposed to be official pronouncements from God that have such statements as "I hate, I despise, all your feast days" when it was God who commanded those feast days. It's unsettling to a great extent because it requires one to think, because those statements were made after the laws were given, and have to be taken as official interpretation of what the laws were about. When they read that God rejected offerings and sacrifices He Himself commanded, rather than strain their brains to ask what the point of the offerings and sacrifices (and all the other laws) actually was they (to take a phrase from the Bible, commonly used by several church Fathers) pull a veil over that huge chunk of the Bible and move on without it.

Of course by doing so they have to ignore a great deal that Jesus said and did; after all, He tossed aside Old Testament laws more than once, always giving a principle that superseded them. In turn they have to ignore Paul, who over and over made clear that it is not the rules that mean anything, but the principles.

But those are the Christians (and Jews, and Muslims) with the loudest mouths and thus the most media coverage, so those who are actually taking the entire Bible seriously rather than play shopping list with it get lost in the noise.


To keep the issue clear, I'll emphasize again what Paul, that if you want to follow one piece of the Law you have to follow the whole thing -- so the Bible's actual position on all those old statements, whether they condemn homosexuality or not, is that they are plain irrelevant. Just keep telling Christians that according to their own book, if they want to oppose secular gay marriage on religious grounds, they have to picket restaurants serving shellfish and stores offering clothes made of more than one material just as vigorously.
And allow their daughters to be sold into slavery.

 

[Kulindahr]

However, if those same people had come of age in, oh, let's just say any muslim-majority country like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia, Indonesia, the Gambia or Malaysia, it would have been the other way around. They would see christians as the tolerant, accepting, open-minded liberals who invented equality, human rights, gay marriage anti-discrimination laws. And what they would be saying about islam would not be quite fit to print. I know, because I hear it all day long.

Or if they'd come of age in Christian Persia when it was ruled by Muslims, they'd have seen the same thing about Christians.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't think anyone in America is in any danger of ISIS beheading us.

We're in much more danger of Christians with guns than anything else, honestly.

Christians with guns? Not a real danger to gays at all. Nominal Christians with wrenches and baseball bats, OTOH... yes.

Which is why gays should carry guns -- wrenches and baseball bats are lethal weapons when they can reach you.

 

[Kulindahr]

1. Mardi Gras is a Christian holiday so... it would make sense to make fun of Christians during it.

Yep -- making fun of the church has good precedent in Mardi Gras; it was one of the few times Christians in days past could get away with it.

 

[Telstra]

When it comes to islam,
some people have to divert or deflect to other religions as if all religions are the same.
They are not the same.

 

[Kabluey]

Christians with guns? Not a real danger to gays at all. Nominal Christians with wrenches and baseball bats, OTOH... yes.

Which is why gays should carry guns -- wrenches and baseball bats are lethal weapons when they can reach you.

There are fewer mass wrenching sprees in recent history against gays than shootings.
The real solution is keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people, which most countries do.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Muslims aren't really going to the polls to oppose gay marriage en masse. outside of the middle east Islam isn't really a huge enemy to equal rights for homos.

Actually that is not true Muslims have been killing and hurting gays in non Muslim states as well. Plus Islam occupies several countries outside of the Middle East.

Anyways it is hypocritical of these regressive leftists to bash Christianity while at the same time claiming Islam is a "religion of peace." I lost a friend in the past after the Orlando Shootings who started posting these memes saying that Islam had nothing to do with the shootings but rather homophobia did. To which I responded that Islam had everything to do with these shootings because Islam says in the Quran and Hadith that homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals must be put to death. Well said asshole blocked me and funny enough he had no problem talking about how the religion he grew up with Mormonism was homophobic but wouldn't turn this same scrutiny to Islam.

The regressive left had no problem going after Christianity but brands any criticism of Islam as racist and Islamophobic even though Islam is not a race. The regressives have even gone after ex Muslim victims of Islam who have criticized Islam and it's teachings such as ex Muslim females, gays and Atheists and have defended the ideology that oppresses them.

The fact is that all of the Abrahamic religions are homophobic and if you truly stand for gay rights you will stand against these religions as it was the Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions that basically invented homophobia and were instrumental in spreading sodomy laws world wide.

 

[Kulindahr]

There are fewer mass wrenching sprees in recent history against gays than shootings.

There are very few shootings of gays for being gays, up to the Orlando incident, while beatings abound -- plus things that go beyond beatings, like with Matthew Shepard. Gays are in far more danger of being beaten than shot.

 

[Kulindahr]

.... it was the Abrahamic and Zoroastrian religions that basically invented homophobia and were instrumental in spreading sodomy laws world wide.

I wasn't aware that Ghengis Khan was a devotee of an Abrahamic religion.

 

[Telstra]

I wasn't aware that Ghengis Khan was a devotee of an Abrahamic religion.

Ghengis khan GONE !!!
Has Abrahamic gone yet ????

Divert and deflect yet again.