Why do so many left-wing 'gay activists' attack Christinaity but excuse Islam?

[kombatwombat]

Probably because they've had more personal experience with Christianity than to Islam.

 

[DickFrotter]

Most likely ignorance & a lack of intelligence. There are Christian Gay groups, but never heard of an Islamic one.

 

[TX-Beau]

Most likely ignorance & a lack of intelligence. There are Christian Gay groups, but never heard of an Islamic one.

The premise of this thread is bait; it's intellectual dishonesty. The left defends liberties, and as soon as I hear an Islamic hater, I'll oblige everyone who believes this silliness and go right after them.

Until then, bashing entire religions to satisfy puerile nastiness is just petty bigotry. It's sad when people who claim to be part of the community want to be the same haters they pretend to dislike. When Christians hate and get blasted for it, it doesn't excuse anyone else, but the Christian haters are still hater fucks who deserve precisely what they get.

BTW, google before you shoot yourself in the foot.

Islamic gay groups - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

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[fabulouslyghetto]

Is this really a thing or is it made up?

Car-carrying liberal gay couple at brunch turns their attention to the tv: "Oh brother, another segment about the anniversary of 9/11." "Yeah, that just wasn't a big deal to me, honey." "Not at all babe, I totally excuse all of their violence."

Methinks thou made up thine own monster to slay.

 

[DickFrotter]

The premise of this thread is bait; it's intellectual dishonesty. The left defends liberties, and as soon as I hear an Islamic hater, I'll oblige everyone who believes this silliness and go right after them.

Until then, bashing entire religions to satisfy puerile nastiness is just petty bigotry. It's sad when people who claim to be part of the community want to be the same haters they pretend to dislike. When Christians hate and get blasted for it, it doesn't excuse anyone else, but the Christian haters are still hater fucks who deserve precisely what they get.

BTW, google before you shoot yourself in the foot.

Islamic gay groups - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

I Love everyone & stand corrected. I'm no biggot, I've just never heard of one before. Some of my closest friends are Muslim. Btw, I wasn't bashing anyone. Unlike you!

 

[Arckangel]

The premise of this thread is bait; it's intellectual dishonesty. The left defends liberties, and as soon as I hear an Islamic hater, I'll oblige everyone who believes this silliness and go right after them.

Until then, bashing entire religions to satisfy puerile nastiness is just petty bigotry. It's sad when people who claim to be part of the community want to be the same haters they pretend to dislike. When Christians hate and get blasted for it, it doesn't excuse anyone else, but the Christian haters are still hater fucks who deserve precisely what they get.

BTW, google before you shoot yourself in the foot.

Islamic gay groups - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

I Love everyone & stand corrected. I'm no biggot, I've just never heard of one before. Some of my closest friends are Muslim. Btw, I wasn't bashing anyone. Unlike you!

Not all Muslims are terrorists—as a matter of fact, most aren't terrorists or extremists, and most critics of Islam get that.

That said, no religion is immune of criticism—or is it so? It is a fact that Islam, in certain areas of the world, has been getting more and more protections, and the mere criticism of Islam is seen as Islamophobia and a bannable offence. One can criticize diverse doctrines of Islam, the actions of Muhammad (incl. the Invasion of Banu Qurayza), or Sharia law without being straight up Islamophobic, hateful of all Muslims.

The premise of this thread makes perfect sense! Some (esp. of the Left) harshly criticize Christianity or Roman Catholicism more specifically—without necessarily hating on all Christians, which makes sense. But oftentimes, the mere criticism of Islam—not all Muslims but certain doctrines of Islam, certain passages of the Quran or the Hadiths, or the actions of Muhammad, Sharia law—is automatically frowned upon by some. That is well-documented by now.


Why do think many singers and rappers get away with more or less blaspheming, defiling or sexualizing Christianity in music videos, song lyrics and stage performances?

Some examples:


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Yet, the mere use of an Allah necklace in a Katy Perry video (the original version of the "Dark Horse" MV) or a song featuring a Hadith during a Savage x Fenty fashion show by Rihanna immediately caused a huge uproar! The Katy Perry MV had to be censored and edited within 24 hours on YouTube, and Rihanna had to issue an apology for that song featuring a Hadith, but Madonna can (rightfully so) use full passages from the Book of Revelation night after night...


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I have yet to receive any logical and satisfying answers for that.


@HoodedRat @fredroy

 

[Arckangel]

Just a week ago, a Christian priest was stabbed by a 16-year old extremist in Australia (commentary by Alex Jones w/ footage of pilgrims rescuing the priest the stabbing). The jihadist threw himself at the priest and proceeded to stab him, and he yelled: "Allahu Akbar!" doing so, but according to the Islamic Council of New South Wales, he was only mentally ill and it is Islamophobic to call that a terrorist attack, and Australian senator Jacqui Lambie has called for Elon Musk's imprisonment for refusing to take down content on the Wakeley church stabbing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1780822538140225662

Every single time: "It's got nothing to do with Islam," "He's mentally ill," "It's a stealth Zionist Jew."

What exactly is the name of that mental illness that pushes certain individuals to go a murderous rampage and scream: "Allahu Akbar!"?

That's the point. Even criticizing evident religious extremism and calling it as such is now frowned upon... I wholly agree most Muslims do not condone such acts, but criticizing such extremism or even doctrines of Islam should be just as acceptable as condemning Christianity or any other religion—many condemn Theistic Satanism, Atheistic Satanism, Paganism, New Age, various forms of Voodoo and witchcraft, and so forth.

 

[TX-Beau]

I repeat, Liberals defend LIBERTIES. LIBERal, LIBERty - see there it is. I'd love to throw certain Christians to some lions. I understand the temptation, but I'd never support the legal persecution of any ethnic or religious sub-group because of the nasty door that opens. Just like everyone else, religious people have a LIBERTY to believe howsoever they choose, without my approval.

That is the principle I will defend. If they force their belief on someone else, tolerance ends, and they will be fought. Whoever they are.

 

[fredroy]

Well whatever. But I've never heard of Baptists or Catholics or Episcopalians and etc etc or Buddhists or Hindus tossing fags off of roof tops or stoning to death women that have been raped.. Not once ever. Moslems do this. Islam has a thing, you are Islam or we kill you for not believing.

I know plenty of "gay-hating rednecks" and actually, they don't give a fuck if yer a fag, They don't care if you like boys instead of girls. As long as you can to the job, what you want to poke doesn't matter. Just don't try to hit on them. None I have met want to kill a queer.

 

[TX-Beau]

Well whatever. But I've never heard of Baptists or Catholics or Episcopalians and etc etc or Buddhists or Hindus tossing fags off of roof tops or stoning to death women that have been raped.. Not once ever. Moslems do this. Islam has a thing, you are Islam or we kill you for not believing.

I know plenty of "gay-hating rednecks" and actually, they don't give a fuck if yer a fag, They don't care if you like boys instead of girls. As long as you can to the job, what you want to poke doesn't matter. Just don't try to hit on them. None I have met want to kill a queer.

[Text: Removed] How many hate crimes against gay people were there in this country in the past century? How many were tortured or thrown into the streets? How many were fired or bashed and crucified to fences?

There are none so blind as those who CHOOSE to deceive.

 

[TX-Beau]

Fine, I'll rephrase; it is categorically false to assert that amongst the redneck set, there is general acceptance and tolerance for gay anything.

People who say this are massively understating the very prevalent homophobic attitudes that are de facto universal, and even if one of them is not personally offended by us, that person won't do anything to help either.

Their churches preach we are perverts, tell their congregations not to tolerate us, and pretend that we are somehow behind all the evils they think they suffer from. Their politics elects people who actively try to take away our rights. Their families are a toss-up to who is willing to throw you out or put you in a conversion therapy concentration camp.

Are they ALL like that? No, a few are fine, but they are most definitely the exceptions, NOT the rule.

How do I know this? I fucking live it.

 

[fredroy]

Oh! "crucified to fences"! Nice deflection. He was a drug dealer..

 

[opinterph]

Reminder:

Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy is a No Flame Zone.

 

[fredroy]

Ok, a whole comment deleted. I meant what I said. I resent being called a liar.

Anyway.

I worked and and then owned an adult book store. 8mm films, glory holes, the works. Unlike Mr. Peepers on 6th Street that I could smell just walking by on the sidewalk, we kept the stores clean. The store I owned well, "keep this place clean, I want it to be the Joskes of dirty book stores". Pine-sol and bleach every night. This was at I-35 and Braker. There was a tittie bar next door. Not my thing but they seemed like good folks.

The Bandidos or a branch of from San Antonio would come to the tittie bar. Have a couple beers and then come next door to look at the movies. Drop $5 in quarters. Buy a couple of magazines or maybe a toy "for the old lady". NEVER had a problem. You might get more redneck than freaking Bandidos but I'm not sure how.

 

[fredroy]

Oh. There was a church up Braker from my store. The "head preacher" would come to try to talk me into closing the store. It was sort of like having Mormons or the Watchtower folks visit you at home. They just won't go away. He never bought a thing. Sure did like to stare at my crotch. He got busted when someone found he had a couple of footlockers of porno mags and VHS tapes. "For research purposes!" He said he was going organize a picket line and get the TV stations to cover the event. I was like "Great, free advertising! Do it man!" The guy was a creep.

I worked at the U-Tote-M Truckstop near Pflugerville. Yeah, lots of red necks around. I never had a problem.

Anyway. I have to go feed the dogs. And then the bedtime walk.

 

[Franco Verum]

Let's be clear here.

The idea that homos are out there defending fundamentalist Islam is pure nonsense.

And it is fundamentalism that is the curse of every religion.

It is the same Christian fundamentalism, encouraged by American religious groups that has led to draconian penalties and punishments for homosexuality in Africa, including prison and proposals for capital punishment.

But the vast majority of people are able to distinguish between fundamentalists and moderates. I don't condemn 100% of Christians for the actions of the hateful, any more than I condemn all muslims for the actions of their right wing fringe either.

So why the criticism in the west for fundamentalist 'Christianity?' Because it is the embedded religion and when it rears its head, it can have an incredibly negative impact on the rights of homos. Islam is only a minor religion in western democracies and has little to no clout in setting secular policy or laws.

Christianity is less than a a few decades away from its own bloody civil war between protestants and catholics and only a few hundred years away from a time when it tortured and killed apostates, so what we see in the Islamic religious wars is the same struggle going on...and this is exactly what many muslims are fleeing from.

I think it is terrible that many Islamic countries and Christian countries criminalize homo behaviour, but I don't have to go there or live there. I do however, have to live in Canada and have dealings in the US, so it matters very much to me if the radical right wing fundamentalists gain any sort of power over civil society. But I'm not going to punch out a muslim on the street because ISIL has thrown a homo off a building any more than I'm going to punch out a Baptist because some preacher down in Bumfuck, USA is calling for re-criminalizing homosexuality and capital punishment for cock sucking.

And homos aren't actually bashing the Christians...they are bashing the same bronze age Old Testament underpinnings of faith that true Christians understand to be superseded by Christ's own teaching. Like many 'Christians', they confuse the teachings of the old testament and the Pauline doctrines with what their prophet actually taught.

What many people want is a black and white approach to all of this.

That serves no one.

I also would like more on the story of the Muslim bakery that refused to bake a cake but nothing was said.

This is apparently what actually happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-stone/rush-limbaugh-dearborn-an_b_7002854.html

Summed up nicely.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Summation of this thread: When the promise of whiteness being a coat of armor is broken, fear sets in: "It's supposed to be happening to them, not us."

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Reminder:

Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy is a No Flame Zone.

Reminder:

Religions are political ideologies. They want to govern.
It's ok to oppose political ideologies. Being opposed to fascism doesn't make you fascistophobic.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

Probably because they've had more personal experience with Christianity than to Islam.

That speaks volumes about how egocentric and provincial they are, doesn't it?

Most of the gay men and women in this world do not live in that one remote and isolated country that is sooooo unrepresentative of things in the real world.

When gays are attacked physically in Europe, Africa, Asia or Oceania, they don't give a fuck what Jesse Helms said in 1987. We live here, and in this century.

 

[opinterph]

It's ok to oppose political ideologies.

It's okay to oppose religions, but this is nonetheless a no flame zone.