Why do we shield children from homosexuality?

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

It seems you overlooked the role of women in all this, though.

no nots overlookins

 

[coldsweat]

No. I'm saying that people are hesitant to expose children to homosexuality because for children, it's difficult to comprehend outside of Male & Female's being together, since it's instilled as the means of birth.

See the part that you are missing is that it's only foreign to children because their environment tells them it is wrong. It is not an innate value to be disgusted with homosexuality. That is something they have to be taught.

Have you ever seen very young kids of the same sex interact with each other? Even boys will hug and kiss each other, show emotion of safety and support.
Its not until later when they are old enough to understand that others around them tell them "hey fag, why'd you hug him?"


I also take offense to your matter of fact statement of homosexuality being unnatural, more you said we're made to be male + female.
How could you possibly believe that this planet has to be either all hetero or all homo. You can't imagine that maybe there was meant to be a balance?

LoL, it's not as if gay people were created in a lab somewhere. We come from nature. We're born in nature. We are for all intents and purposes, 100% natural.
So, there is no chance that maybe homosexuality is part of the natural order as means to control population? (I know that last part is mostly hyperbole, but you get the point.)

 

[wenchine-mahtapasikan]

sitcoms internestins so many countrys media pap ans adults right da shit

what age kids see adults look da ri dickulass?

homosexuality is male Straight worlds creations ans so on etc problem but get other pay fa it

Straight worlds ( mades a up of MALES ) creations many no just ( this Homosexuality ) It no do no help lot people world ( cultures keep throw aorund da WORD Homo sexulaity ) Straight world many folk tryin break free lot voodoo centurys old include males and da females - many just got vote 80 sos a ago what piss ta time ans hisotrys of human cultures what not evens flys bother with

fuck gone read again

I really should've read the bolded parts, lol especially the last one, guess you didn't overlook it. Thanks for pointing that out.
I'll rephrase, I think women play more of a role in depicting "homosexuality" from a straight angle than you suggest here for the reasons I cited earlier.
You are right though, straight men especially have the least to pay for "creating" homosexuality.
Do you mean voodoo was used as a guise for people to escape straightness? Tell more.
I think, although it sucks, the straight conceptualization of homosexuality, embodied in the word's connotations as you suggest, is the best thing we have to work with when discussing homosexuality. Gay conceptualization of homosexuality just aren't in as common parlance. If you wanna get through to people, sometimes you gotta speak their language, even if it is inaccurate.
I think labels should not be overextended/used to promote stereotypes, but there's more of a place for them than people admit. Everybody's all against labels, but then what do we use as adjectives and nouns? It's a slippery slopes, pretty soon it won't be PC to call a doughnut a donut. We'll have to call them fried, desert-y pieces of dough with powder or frosting. But then somebody will say "What if they're not desert-y?" and we'll have to think of another name. So stupid. If some guy likes mostly men, they're gay. It refers to a trend in their sexual behavior, not their entire identity. People are so petty with this label fighting shit. I have black parents, so I'm black, that's all that means. GET OVAH IT, BITCHEZ!!!
Sorry, sloppy, but that point you brought up reminded me of that and made me ranty.
I'd love to read your blog sometime to learn more about these ideas, but it's closed off. Could you post excerpts in another thread?

 

[Georgiadude]

you already > We have talked about gay people and they understand that some men love men instead of women

so why > I will tell them about me being gay when I think they are ready for it ?

ans also how sure you think ya is GAY< when lot world still no sure what it is never mind straight or divorce marriage etc so on

point is little folk come before > this adults


Dude. This is like the 3rd time you've quoted and responded to one of my posts. I can't understand a fucking thing your saying. Nothing. I don't know whether your insulting or agreeing with me. I haven't put you on ignore yet but your getting really close.

I have a suggestion. Take an English as a second language course. To be honest. I think you probably speak English perfectly. This is all an act. I gotta tell ya. It's really getting old. It's not funny in the least. Quite frankly, it's pathetic.

Steven.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I really should've read the bolded parts, lol especially the last one, guess you didn't overlook it. Thanks for pointing that out.
I'll rephrase, I think women play more of a role in depicting "homosexuality" from a straight angle than you suggest here for the reasons I cited earlier.
You are right though, straight men especially have the least to pay for "creating" homosexuality.
Do you mean voodoo was used as a guise for people to escape straightness? Tell more.
I think, although it sucks, the straight conceptualization of homosexuality, embodied in the word's connotations as you suggest, is the best thing we have to work with when discussing homosexuality. Gay conceptualization of homosexuality just aren't in as common parlance. If you wanna get through to people, sometimes you gotta speak their language, even if it is inaccurate.
I think labels should not be overextended/used to promote stereotypes, but there's more of a place for them than people admit. Everybody's all against labels, but then what do we use as adjectives and nouns? It's a slippery slopes, pretty soon it won't be PC to call a doughnut a donut. We'll have to call them fried, desert-y pieces of dough with powder or frosting. But then somebody will say "What if they're not desert-y?" and we'll have to think of another name. So stupid. If some guy likes mostly men, they're gay. It refers to a trend in their sexual behavior, not their entire identity. People are so petty with this label fighting shit. I have black parents, so I'm black, that's all that means. GET OVAH IT, BITCHEZ!!!
Sorry, sloppy, but that point you brought up reminded me of that and made me ranty.
I'd love to read your blog sometime to learn more about these ideas, but it's closed off. Could you post excerpts in another thread?

From nowhere ta somewhere it lot ta wear
ans many dressin up in anywear
with other long forgot what ta wear
or they wear
and ya feet is just bare
but in flash ya ins someones wear
pause

workins hows how reply ya kinds desire ta make ya thinkin but mays no registers ya world ya set

ans got read ya stuff many times figure ya thinkin so

enjoy a moon or 2

ans get back it

but in da hole of life all obvious so nothin new but da noise ofs many cultures soap opera what go ons ans on

 

[Tadaa]

From nowhere ta somewhere it lot ta wear
ans many dressin up in anywear
with other long forgot what ta wear
or they wear
and ya feet is just bare
but in flash ya ins someones wear
pause

workins hows how reply ya kinds desire ta make ya thinkin but mays no registers ya world ya set

ans got read ya stuff many times figure ya thinkin so

enjoy a moon or 2

ans get back it

but in da hole of life all obvious so nothin new but da noise ofs many cultures soap opera what go ons ans on

I couldn't have said it better

 

[wenchine-mahtapasikan]

From nowhere ta somewhere it lot ta wear
ans many dressin up in anywear
with other long forgot what ta wear
or they wear
and ya feet is just bare
but in flash ya ins someones wear
pause

workins hows how reply ya kinds desire ta make ya thinkin but mays no registers ya world ya set

ans got read ya stuff many times figure ya thinkin so

enjoy a moon or 2

ans get back it

but in da hole of life all obvious so nothin new but da noise ofs many cultures soap opera what go ons ans on

Oh, so I misread you. Sorry. But you have to admit, what you said could lend itself to several readings, including mine. You got it like that.
If that axiom
"ans got read ya stuff many times figure ya thinkin so"
refers to me more carefully reading your stuff: OK, I get the point. I'll try to read more thoroughly. It's not like you're coming out of the blue from your other writings.
If you're referring to rereading my crappy posts, why thank you very much. We could all learn a lesson in close reading from you.
I think I'll enjoy many moons before understanding your verbal art. I'll definitely "get back it" when I can though. I'm still learning.
When you say stuff like: "but in da hole of life all obvious so nothin new but da noise ofs many cultures soap opera what go ons ans on"
You remind me of:

I do agree. It's All Just a Little Bit of History Repeating, in the words of Bassey, but now's a better time than ever, and tomorrow even better than that, to stop this cycle.
I think there's definitely more to being gay in a society than just the gay sexual preference itself (I do not think the connection runs much deeper than preference and social oppression though, gays are more of a demographic than a community or culture. People cannot trace back their ancestral gayness. Gays have not been SYSTEMATICALLY discriminated against in nearly the same ways as other minorities. Discrimination against gays may be the worst kind, but not comparable to minority discrimination.), but the distinction needed to even bring up gayness is, and should be, purely sexual. I think, until we can come to a place where the stigmata on the gay community aren't so mature, we can't expect/force parents to discuss something like that at such a young age. I feel the same for any category based on a more mature-rated distinction. I feel you can preach equality to your kids in a holistic fashion, and get to gays specifically when you're ready.
When we get to that point past stigmata though, I feel there's no excuse to shove gayness under the rug.
PS
Too tired for umbrella terms. Feel free to substitute lesbian, queer, gender queer, LBGTTQC or whatever monstrosity that acrostic has become, wherever I say gay.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Oh, so I misread you. Sorry. But you have to admit, what you said could lend itself to several readings, including mine. You got it like that.
If that axiom
"ans got read ya stuff many times figure ya thinkin so"
refers to me more carefully reading your stuff: OK, I get the point. I'll try to read more thoroughly. It's not like you're coming out of the blue from your other writings.
If you're referring to rereading my crappy posts, why thank you very much. We could all learn a lesson in close reading from you.
I think I'll enjoy many moons before understanding your verbal art. I'll definitely "get back it" when I can though. I'm still learning.
When you say stuff like: "but in da hole of life all obvious so nothin new but da noise ofs many cultures soap opera what go ons ans on"
You remind me of:

I do agree. It's All Just a Little Bit of History Repeating, in the words of Bassey, but now's a better time than ever, and tomorrow even better than that, to stop this cycle.
I think there's definitely more to being gay in a society than just the gay sexual preference itself (I do not think the connection runs much deeper than preference and social oppression though, gays are more of a demographic than a community or culture. People cannot trace back their ancestral gayness. Gays have not been SYSTEMATICALLY discriminated against in nearly the same ways as other minorities. Discrimination against gays may be the worst kind, but not comparable to minority discrimination.), but the distinction needed to even bring up gayness is, and should be, purely sexual. I think, until we can come to a place where the stigmata on the gay community aren't so mature, we can't expect/force parents to discuss something like that at such a young age. I feel the same for any category based on a more mature-rated distinction. I feel you can preach equality to your kids in a holistic fashion, and get to gays specifically when you're ready.
When we get to that point past stigmata though, I feel there's no excuse to shove gayness under the rug.
PS
Too tired for umbrella terms. Feel free to substitute lesbian, queer, gender queer, LBGTTQC or whatever monstrosity that acrostic has become, wherever I say gay.

well here a thang

when whole planet of surpriors cultures put alls their

Little shits
ans bastards
mongreals
ans lost
recruits
fa many pants lots
discounts
ans sale
be they wail
assitants ta bullets
ans pets fa folk
no idea their own yoke
parents ta tall folk
futures lots
countrys requriments
cause orders ta fills
ans needs a must
ans so on BLANK BLANK BLANK

ans then figure ( so what children again ) me turn ova in ma hole ans peek at da face of MAN ta see any life in it ans no da mask deep with many a

so any little shit go ta gorwns ups many Professions pair da pants ans say PISSHEAD ya shoes no tied is KOOL

HUMAN RACE SEX>now watch close cause da hand faster then ya libararys

ans puff puff puff coor da was easy round
' YA LITTLE SHITTTTTTT '
OOOH! he like me!
' next time see ya SQUISH '
OOOH ya got so many wish

ans Plonks
' best get ready fa da night! '
" yeah we got polish lot da lights "
-who no make it?-
go count heads

 

[fetaby]

but the distinction needed to even bring up gayness is, and should be, purely sexual. I think, until we can come to a place where the stigmata on the gay community aren't so mature, we can't expect/force parents to discuss something like that at such a young age. I feel the same for any category based on a more mature-rated distinction. I feel you can preach equality to your kids in a holistic fashion, and get to gays specifically when you're ready.

I disagree. The focus of the distinction is already centered on the sexual. So to erase the stigma placed upon the gay community, you'd also have to remind the straight community to pick up the work they started in the sixties.

As for parents discussing homosexuality,

I feel you can preach equality to your kids in a holistic fashion, and get to gays specifically when you're ready.

1) Raising kids has no time line, when a parent thinks they are ready to talk to a kid, that parent is already 3 months too late.

2) Setting aside the issue places an undue importance on the issue. Equality is all or nothing. Setting up those division lines, boxing in, and marginalizing people really isn't the way to proceed, IMO.

 

[MercuryJones]

Between Ali G and Mr Nolinebreaks this thread has become unreadable.

 

[wenchine-mahtapasikan]

I disagree. The focus of the distinction is already centered on the sexual. So to erase the stigma placed upon the gay community, you'd also have to remind the straight community to pick up the work they started in the sixties.

As for parents discussing homosexuality,


1) Raising kids has no time line, when a parent thinks they are ready to talk to a kid, that parent is already 3 months too late.

2) Setting aside the issue places an undue importance on the issue. Equality is all or nothing. Setting up those division lines, boxing in, and marginalizing people really isn't the way to proceed, IMO.

THANK YOU!!! Finally, somebody who can respectfully disagree. That's so fucking unheard of!!!! (I'm totally serious, thank you!!)
I don't get what exactly you disagree with. I was disagreeing with the people saying that the distinction between sexual demographics is more complex than sexuality. I was saying I don't think it is or should be (at least that was what I meant to say), because including anything more than sexual preference in the definition of homosexual in and of itself is marginalizing and stereotyping.
Mm...
1) I think they can only do the best they can. Better late than never I say. If you're just the right amount of late, it allows for independence in world-view formation. The views you introduce to them are more likely to hold if they are of the child's own accord.
2) It seems we agree here. Confuuuuused.... I was saying general equality (not minority blindness, but true equality) should be taught, as you are. However, it may be necessary to address how specific groups are denied equality (not equal treatment, but true equality) for a more useful, nuanced understanding of equality. For instance there's the issue of affirmative action for more socio-economically marginalized racial/ethnic minorities and union and marriage for gays. These are both issues specific to these groups and should be presented thusly.
Thanks for being civil in disagreeing, it was a rare treat. Hope to hear more from you!

 

[wenchine-mahtapasikan]

Between Ali G and Mr Nolinebreaks this thread has become unreadable.

It may be safe to assume I'm Mr. Nolinebreaks?
Is
this
better?
Sorry
for
my
dense
"prose",
but
you
don't
have
to
read
it.
I
get
that
Sloppyseconds
is
cryptic,
but
he's
not
a
flamer
and
can
be
surprisingly
on
topic.
The
world
would
be
better
if
people
took
the
time
to
learn
from
each
other.
End!
Oh.
I hate Sacha Baron Cohen.
END!

 

[MMMonsterBoy]

The world promotes heterosexuality, and the dangers of homosexuality. With that kind of mentality, it is no surprise to discover that most of society's elders do not want little children to catch "gayness." I am going to refer to the bigger picture, because the people I know do not represent everyone else in the world. Anyhow, I do belive that homosexuality is seen as perverted and unnatural. As a consequence, people do not understand it and don't want to go through the hassel of explaining it to their little children. Some, like my mother, believe gay people have the power to influence people to the "dark side." As I said above, this comes from not understanding homosexuality. How unfortunate is this?

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

The world promotes heterosexuality, and the dangers of homosexuality. With that kind of mentality, it is no surprise to discover that most of society's elders do not want little children to catch "gayness." I am going to refer to the bigger picture, because the people I know do not represent everyone else in the world. Anyhow, I do belive that homosexuality is seen as perverted and unnatural. As a consequence, people do not understand it and don't want to go through the hassel of explaining it to their little children. Some, like my mother, believe gay people have the power to influence people to the "dark side." As I said above, this comes from not understanding homosexuality. How unfortunate is this?

okay me understand what ya writes ans why ya writes it BUT
world is of folks knows stuff ans lot thing missin da mark ans adults not undertands much anythin

add ( so call GAY WORLD ) really no sign of theys graps it too

read it ans read it ans like world at large just da tippy toe begin figure da crap world stuck in fa centurys ans centurys > add folk throews ages know it but out number by da MAN ans in da ways of living MAN fit it in where they can<ALL HUSH HUSH or not long they stay in box fa their afternoon golf ans etc < as is stuff ans Cleopatra great hairdressers

The (world) Male ( promotes ) not hetrosexuality but Economic self manage units dat produce da most kids ta cost fa etc so on

ans in it over da few years MAN fart aorund planet since stoneage - MAN create many vairety way entertain theirs balls ans egos spun out thin air ans invent more paperwork for fillin cellars

if MAN was promote human living ya has complete a total like way diferent world


Anyhow, I do belive that homosexuality is seen as perverted and unnatural. As a consequence, people do not understand it and don't want to go through the hassel of explaining it to their little children. Some, like my mother, believe gay people have the power to influence people to the "dark side." As I said above, this comes from not understanding homosexuality. How unfortunate is this?

all is understood but cultures no wanna understoods or pretend it not there ( MANY THING ) fa soooo long or like keep way it fit theirs shoes ans so ons ans lots

Countrys< run by MALE TWITS what udden draw line one here ans go say OOH da pesants get votef of male get vote but what happen? then female get vote HA ans then what happen? ans tons stuff

-------Draw line froms now ta past -but all still goin on---------

assume ( NEW CONCEPT GAY include LESBIAN ) this a fors examplesa ans aint ma wordssssss but use da words of Speechless stupid male cultures fa centurys

Now ya got GAY ans da HETRO < for example> as say Cultures create much not real ans folks no alls born out da mentals o many cultures historys but there fa da use of or force fed lot cultures voodoo etc so whateva what still goes onsssss

this is not a new > Develop da GAY ans no easy thing depend culture what deep in padded cell

MALE CULTURES SUREEEEEEEE DEVELOP LOT STUFF FIT THEIR requirements

pause sure hards shove it all in little box

anyway world is a workin on this so KOOL ya give time make write ya thinkings

 

[Kyanimal]

Damn it, SS!

You seem to have a lot of interesting things to say, valid points to get across, but, try as I might, I just can't quite UNDERSTAND You! Your presentation style is getting in the way!!

However ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Damn it, SS!

You seem to have a lot of interesting things to say, valid points to get across, but, try as I might, I just can't quite UNDERSTAND You! Your presentation style is getting in the way!!

However ...

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

dat a nice ya say is nice ya say ans yeah ya cans say but like coach drop offs it passengers ta hole in wall not much ya got do but suck um up
ans Internet a oppsurtunity what servin um cumstuck mags ta nice folks fa bit of pastrols not give ya ans stuff but like Internet not hole world so how ya get ma balls of words in no easy thing ans no easy thing ans Planet and Internet no same thing > but stuff

ans forgot pointys anywayyyyyyyyy

go roll up ma pussys see what washin got do

 

[miguelfukt]

wtf? why did i just read this thread, i barely understood any of it. it all turned into gibberish, thanks sloppyseconds. lol, im not hating but please write normal!

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

wtf? why did i just read this thread, i barely understood any of it. it all turned into gibberish, thanks sloppyseconds. lol, im not hating but please write normal!

Let ya sit on ya crappa fa 100 years so ya figure what ya just gones writ ans take globe with ya

unless ya fingerin me up what hard cause but ya words real nice speelin COOR so Kool whens reads ya stuff on topic ans gets finger ya up too

' ya got short finger ya nevas become president '
is dat rightttttt?!
' No '
what is president?
' padded armchair in fancy office '
is dat rightttttt! what this then?
' yeah feels ya point '
thank you

 

[evanrick]

People are ignorant and believe anything they hear.

Kinda like Elisabeth Hasselbeck

 

[AnalblasT]

wtf? why did i just read this thread, i barely understood any of it. it all turned into gibberish, thanks sloppyseconds. lol, im not hating but please write normal!

just ignore him better .... he dont know how to discuss