Why Does Anyone Care? {VP Nominee}

[Sir Les]

Re: Saturday Night Live Sucks!!

Sir Les just because you don't like someone theres no reason to call them a Crazy Republican Bitch!! I happen to like her and McCain a hell of alot more than Obama and Biden and plan to vote Republican for the first time in my life. Would have voted for Hillary but we all know what happen there!!

Then YOU are part of what's wrong with America.

Sarah Palin IS a crazy Republican bitch! I stand by my statement, just as she stands by the LIES she has been telling left and right.

She doesn't believe in evolution, which means she's insane!. She tried to get "Creationism" into the public school cirriculum, which means she's aggresively insane, and trying to make kids as nuts as she is.

She's an advocate of "Abstinence Only" sex education, while her knocked-up daughter is the LIVING PROOF of just how well Abstinence Only works.

She abused her office, using her power to try and get her ex-brother-in-law fired. And then LIED about it on TV. She charged the people of Alsaska for travel expenses for time she spent LIVING IN HER OWN HOUSE! That is Repuiblcian corruption and greed at it's purest!

She supported the "Bridge to Nowhere" until after congress yanked the program, but KEPT the money, and then made a speech to the country about how she said "No," when she really said "Yes," which means she's a LYING crazy bitch. The money was used to build a road to nowhere.

She left Wasilla $20,000,000 in debt after her mayorhood. HOW does a town of 6000 people end up $20,000,000 in debt? The same way the Republicans have bankrupted America. "Borrow and Spend" instead of "Tax and Spend", which is why China now owns the America. If China called in it's loans to us, we'd be screwed.

She doesn't know The Bush Doctrine or what the Vice President does, and thinks proximity to Russia means she's experienced in foreign relations, when she's never ever actually traveled. She is utterly and completely unqualified to be president, and McCain is old, and could drop dead at any moment, which would make this crazy, evil, bitch the President of the United States, which would be a disaster for the entire world!

WHY were you voting for Hilary if you're ready to vote for people who stand for the OPPOSITE of what Hilary stands for on EVERY issue? You must be nuts too. Tell Hilary that since she isn't the candidate, you're voting for the Republicans and she'd spit in your face. (Well, actually, she'd tell you to vote for Obama, but I would spit in your face.)

You LIKE paying over $3.50 a gallon for gasoline? You're doing that because we've had two Republican oil men running the government for 8 years. Voting for McCain means you want to pay $6.00 a gallon for gasoline by 2010. It also means keeping the war going, and even expanding it.

You think McCain & Palin support gay rights? The Republican platform this year calls for a constitutional amendment making gay marriage illegal. Not that Palin knows this, as she doesn't even know the platform she's running on, as was clearly shown in her interview with Charles Gibson last week.

The headlines today are about major Wall street banks crumbling into bankruptcy. we are in a recession, and about to fall into a depression that will make 1929 look like prosperity. (You remember prosperity? We last had it when Bill Clinton was president.) This is all due to The Bush Administration. McCain has embraced the Bush Doctrine, and his administration will be a continuation of those same policies that are destroying this country.

She IS an evil Republican bitch. McCain is a dangerous loon. Anyone who votes for them is the enemy of America, and anyone who was supporting Hilary but has now switched over to McCain is just plain insane also.

The campaign slogan for McCain should be "And now for something completely the same."

Obama will be our first black president and our first good one in this century.

Not that I have any opinions on the matter.

 

[Spellbound]

Re: Saturday Night Live Sucks!!

Very well said Sir Les. Bravo!

 

[lancelva]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

And lance, let it go. she lost, big whoop. at worst, it'll be 2016, at best(counting on how you look at McCain winning) it'll be 2012. Either way, the campaign is over for Senator Clinton. And BTW, that ad told nothing but the truth, as opposed to the McCain ads.

What do you mean, "let it go"? I didn't say a word about the primary. I've said before that I'm supporting the Democratic ticket. So don't criticize me just because of my support in the primary. I've moved on but apparently you and others haven't.

Is it a sin to point out a flawed strategy and suggest a change in direction? Look at the pollls. The current strategy isn't working. If you want Obama to win, you would acknowledge that and join me in calling on his campaign to change course.

 

[dannybye]

Re: Saturday Night Live Sucks!!

Sir Les you make some intresting arguments most of which I've heard before!! I guess the best thing to do would be to just not vote at all since I don't like any of the people running. For the record I don't think either party is supporting Gay Marriage. I personally think they should drop the word Marriage and go with Civil Union and I think they would get alot less objections!!

 

[Sir Les]

Re: Saturday Night Live Sucks!!

Sir Les you make some intresting arguments most of which I've heard before!! I guess the best thing to do would be to just not vote at all since I don't like any of the people running. For the record I don't think either party is supporting Gay Marriage. I personally think they should drop the word Marriage and go with Civil Union and I think they would get alot less objections!!

"I guess the best thing to do would be to just not vote at all"

NO! NO! NO! NO!

That is THE WORST POSSIBLE THING TO DO!

This election is CRUCIAL! We HAVE to get the fucking Republicans OUT! Just while this discussion thread has been going on, two more Wall Street banks collapsed. The economy is in tatters. Americans are DYING in Iraq. This is ALL the Republican's fault! We MUST get a Democratic administration in there this year. It is quite literally Life or Death! This is not the year for ennui and voter apathy!

Vote the bastards out!

 

[Glafna]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

What do you mean, "let it go"? I didn't say a word about the primary. I've said before that I'm supporting the Democratic ticket. So don't criticize me just because of my support in the primary. I've moved on but apparently you and others haven't.

Is it a sin to point out a flawed strategy and suggest a change in direction? Look at the pollls. The current strategy isn't working. If you want Obama to win, you would acknowledge that and join me in calling on his campaign to change course.

So says the one who still has the Hillary avatar/sig up


I agree his campaign should change course, but neither you or I can do anything, as it is his campaign organizers(paid professionals, probably), his advisers, his speech writers, etc. who decide how the campaign is going. Unless they pretty much run everything themselves, a politician has to depend on his or her staff to take charge with the running of the campaign. Yes they have decisions to make, but again, they need to depend on their staff to run the campaign for them.

 

[Glafna]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

mccain has a likely chance to die within 4 years? wow

so irresponsible

for u to write that

anything else i would say on that u would take (rightfully) as an attack

so i won't

and ur quoting matt damon?

and it's not "how do like dem apples?" - loved that from Good Will Hunting

u can't seriously quote matt damon on politics

and expect to get taken seriously

and it mccain "bites it" during the first term?

double yikes

tough post for u glafna

demagoguery on mccain and quoting matt damon on politics

double whammy

I'm being realistic, not irresponsible. The media is starting to pick up on this, but guess what chance, your little boyfriend their isn't a "strapping young man" anymore. He's in his 70's, has had numerous diseases within his life, has had to deal with extreme mental trauma and physical trauma, tell me where I'm running off course here. I wouldn't be surprised if he does become incapacitated in one way or another, and again, chances are he wouldn't make it through his first term.

I was referring to the Damon video because he brings up a valid point, she WILL have the nuclear codes, and whether or not she ends it for us all is a pretty fucking important thing to think on.


Tough post for me chance? No, yet another baseless post from you. Here's a hint, wanna disprove someone, maybe talk about the subject in complete sentences. HA, as if

 

[chance1]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

I'm being realistic, not irresponsible. The media is starting to pick up on this, but guess what chance, your little boyfriend their isn't a "strapping young man" anymore. He's in his 70's, has had numerous diseases within his life, has had to deal with extreme mental trauma and physical trauma, tell me where I'm running off course here. I wouldn't be surprised if he does become incapacitated in one way or another, and again, chances are he wouldn't make it through his first term.

I was referring to the Damon video because he brings up a valid point, she WILL have the nuclear codes, and whether or not she ends it for us all is a pretty fucking important thing to think on.


Tough post for me chance? No, yet another baseless post from you. Here's a hint, wanna disprove someone, maybe talk about the subject in complete sentences. HA, as if

ur talking about mccain dying within 4 yrs and suggest it is "realistic"

and ur a doctor now? who has examined him?

he has had to deal with "extreme trauma ............" yeeeeeesh - now ur a psychologist too

and congrats on ur "complete" sentences - complete but inane

eh?

 

[Sir Les]

You don't have to be a doctor to know that sick old men die.

You don't have to be a psychologist to know that McCain went through a hell in Vietnam that leaves lasting mental and emotional scars, nor to observe his erratic behavior in recent years.

It IS "realistic" to believe that there's a MUCH higher likelihood of McCain not surviving 4 years in office than Obama.

Hell, just choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate is proof his mind is going.

I loved seeing him address workers in a factory today in the midwest, and as he left, the very people he had just addressed were chanting "Obama. Obama,"

He has served his country all he needs to. What his country needs MOST from him right now, is for him to LOSE this election.

 

[Glafna]

You don't have to be a doctor to know that sick old men die.

You don't have to be a psychologist to know that McCain went through a hell in Vietnam that leaves lasting mental and emotional scars, nor to observe his erratic behavior in recent years.

It IS "realistic" to believe that there's a MUCH higher likelihood of McCain not surviving 4 years in office than Obama.

Hell, just choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate is proof his mind is going.

I loved seeing him address workers in a factory today in the midwest, and as he left, the very people he had just addressed were chanting "Obama. Obama,"

He has served his country all he needs to. What his country needs MOST from him right now, is for him to LOSE this election.

Thank you very much. Balls in your court chance

 

[chance1]

You don't have to be a doctor to know that sick old men die.

You don't have to be a psychologist to know that McCain went through a hell in Vietnam that leaves lasting mental and emotional scars, nor to observe his erratic behavior in recent years.

It IS "realistic" to believe that there's a MUCH higher likelihood of McCain not surviving 4 years in office than Obama.

Hell, just choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate is proof his mind is going.

I loved seeing him address workers in a factory today in the midwest, and as he left, the very people he had just addressed were chanting "Obama. Obama,"

He has served his country all he needs to. What his country needs MOST from him right now, is for him to LOSE this election.

^^ Great post.

not sure what is more offensive - the hitler type of his enablers

so now McCain is SICK and OLD

that his POW experience has left him LASTING and EMOTIONAL scars thus causing his ERRATIC behavior

choosing the Lipstick Pig as his running mate is proof of his sickness

and then u get applauded by the common germans

really sick shit on JUB

really sick

 

[Spensed]

^ Oh, you'll get over it. Maybe it would help if you set up a commission to consider the issue. LOL.

 

[andysayshi]

Chance, I'll concede that some of the posts above contain presumption rather than facts. But will you concede the actual facts about McCain's health:

He is 72 years old, meaning aged 76 at the end of a 4 year presidential term. The average lifespan of a white American male is 74.

He has had cancer 4 times, most recently Stage 2 melanoma treated 8 years ago. 66 percent of melanoma sufferers will experience a re-occurrence within 10 years. 45 percent of Stage 2 sufferers will die within 10 years.

His father died at age 70 of a heart attack, placing him in a high risk category for heart attack himself. He takes blood thinning medication daily as a preventative measure.

He was a POW for 5 years, and has repeatedly told of his torture, malnutrition and substandard medical care. Studies into POW health rates conclude:

At 40-year follow-up, rates of depressive symptoms were three to five times higher than those of the general population, and were greatest in young POWs and those who underwent the most harsh treatment. Across studies of POWs of different wars, rates of lifetime post-traumatic stress disorder and depression are about 35–50% and 50–80% higher, respectively, in POWs than in controls.

results of a subsequent analysis showed POWs aged 75 years and older were at significantly higher risk for heart disease-related deaths and stroke mortality.

This link to The Lancet requires registration.

McCain's medical records are NOT on public record, and his choice of VP candidate is all the more relevant when, statistically, his health is potentially volatile. I'm not wishing bad health on the guy, but it is crazy to ignore the reality of his potential health problems, and it is downright foolhardy not to take that into consideration when choosing his running mate.

 

[Glafna]

Chance, I'll concede that some of the posts above contain presumption rather than facts. But will you concede the actual facts about McCain's health:

He is 72 years old, meaning aged 76 at the end of a 4 year presidential term. The average lifespan of a white American male is 74.

He has had cancer 4 times, most recently Stage 2 melanoma treated 8 years ago. 66 percent of melanoma sufferers will experience a re-occurrence within 10 years. 45 percent of Stage 2 sufferers will die within 10 years.

His father died at age 70 of a heart attack, placing him in a high risk category for heart attack himself. He takes blood thinning medication daily as a preventative measure.

He was a POW for 5 years, and has repeatedly told of his torture, malnutrition and substandard medical care. Studies into POW health rates conclude:





This link to The Lancet requires registration.

McCain's medical records are NOT on public record, and his choice of VP candidate is all the more relevant when, statistically, his health is potentially volatile. I'm not wishing bad health on the guy, but it is crazy to ignore the reality of his potential health problems, and it is downright foolhardy not to take that into consideration when choosing his running mate.

Ohhh, nice return serve andy. chance, got anything left, or are you going to admit the truth?

 

[RandomAccess]

Chance, I'll concede that some of the posts above contain presumption rather than facts. But will you concede the actual facts about McCain's health:

He is 72 years old, meaning aged 76 at the end of a 4 year presidential term. The average lifespan of a white American male is 74.

He has had cancer 4 times, most recently Stage 2 melanoma treated 8 years ago. 66 percent of melanoma sufferers will experience a re-occurrence within 10 years. 45 percent of Stage 2 sufferers will die within 10 years.

His father died at age 70 of a heart attack, placing him in a high risk category for heart attack himself. He takes blood thinning medication daily as a preventative measure.

He was a POW for 5 years, and has repeatedly told of his torture, malnutrition and substandard medical care. Studies into POW health rates conclude:





This link to The Lancet requires registration.

McCain's medical records are NOT on public record, and his choice of VP candidate is all the more relevant when, statistically, his health is potentially volatile. I'm not wishing bad health on the guy, but it is crazy to ignore the reality of his potential health problems, and it is downright foolhardy not to take that into consideration when choosing his running mate.

Wow! You're Goooood!

 

[Sir Les]

not sure what is more offensive - the hitler type of his enablers

so now McCain is SICK and OLD

that his POW experience has left him LASTING and EMOTIONAL scars thus causing his ERRATIC behavior

choosing the Lipstick Pig as his running mate is proof of his sickness

and then u get applauded by the common germans

really sick shit on JUB

really sick

I really don't see your Hitler analogy at all. I'm not marching in with jackboots and shooting all Republicans. Nazis are far right wing, and I'm a major liberal. You want someone who qualifies for Nazihood? Try our sitting president. Repression, racism, demonizing of gays, invading of countries who have not attacked us (While letting the guy who DID attack us get away), demonizing all opposition as "Disloyalty": those are Nazi tactics, and the Bush Administration's as well.

All I'm doing is something very foreign to conservatives: looking at the FACTS.

And choosing a creationist boob with zero experience and fewer brains, and who has admitted she has no idea what the Vice President even does (an admission that she is completely unqualified for the post.), and putting her one sick-old-man's heartbeat away from the United States Presidency is indeed further proof of his erractic mental state. No one with a working brain, would have chosen her. Only someone who cared more about courting the Lunatic Fringe Vote than he does the welfare of America would have chosen her.

Yes, McCain is old, and yes he is ill. These are facts, so there's nothing outrageous, let alone Hitlerish, about stating he is sick and old. He IS sick and old.

Yes, his POW experience left him with lasting emotional and mental scars. There's no way to have such an experience without receiving lasting mental and emotional scars. He should be respected for his sufferenig in the service, but not handed the country on a platter as a reward.

His erratic behavior speaks for itself. This week alone he has contradicted himself on issues in different speeches MADE THE SAME DAY! On Monday of this week he said: "The fundamentals of our economy are strong." (As Wall Street banks and brokerages topple like dominoes.) and then, three hours later, said, "The fundamentals of our economy are at risk." That must be some kind of world record for speed of self-contradiction. He was closer to the truth the second time. Actually the fundamentals of our economy are deeply damaged by 8 years of Republican "borrow and Spend".

Earlier today he said he would fire the head of the SEC if he were president, despite the fact that the president has no such power to do so.

That other liberals posting agree with what I've said doesn't make them Germans. It just means they're smarter than you.

And I don't think you're a Nazi; just a fool who has fallen for the Republican's lies.

 

[Glafna]

I really don't see your Hitler analogy at all. I'm not marching in with jackboots and shooting all Republicans. Nazis are far right wing, and I'm a major liberal. You want someone who qualifies for Nazihood? Try our sitting president. Repression, racism, demonizing of gays, invading of countries who have not attacked us (While letting the guy who DID attack us get away), demonizing all opposition as "Disloyalty": those are Nazi tactics, and the Bush Administration's as well.

All I'm doing is something very foreign to conservatives: looking at the FACTS.

And choosing a creationist boob with zero experience and fewer brains, and who has admitted she has no idea what the Vice President even does (an admission that she is completely unqualified for the post.), and putting her one sick-old-man's heartbeat away from the United States Presidency is indeed further proof of his erractic mental state. No one with a working brain, would have chosen her. Only someone who cared more about courting the Lunatic Fringe Vote than he does the welfare of America would have chosen her.

Yes, McCain is old, and yes he is ill. These are facts, so there's nothing outrageous, let alone Hitlerish, about stating he is sick and old. He IS sick and old.

Yes, his POW experience left him with lasting emotional and mental scars. There's no way to have such an experience without receiving lasting mental and emotional scars. He should be respected for his sufferenig in the service, but not handed the country on a platter as a reward.

His erratic behavior speaks for itself. This week alone he has contradicted himself on issues in different speeches MADE THE SAME DAY! On Monday of this week he said: "The fundamentals of our economy are strong." (As Wall Street banks and brokerages topple like dominoes.) and then, three hours later, said, "The fundamentals of our economy are at risk." That must be some kind of world record for speed of self-contradiction. He was closer to the truth the second time. Actually the fundamentals of our economy are deeply damaged by 8 years of Republican "borrow and Spend".

Earlier today he said he would fire the head of the SEC if he were president, despite the fact that the president has no such power to do so.

That other liberals posting agree with what I've said doesn't make them Germans. It just means they're smarter than you.

And I don't think you're a Nazi; just a fool who has fallen for the Republican's lies.

Match point to Sir Les!!!! chance, I think you've just gotten your ass handed to you. Nice playing with you

Now can we please get back to the topic at hand...

Sarah Palin and the possibility of her becoming the President.

 

[letme]

So Our life span is longer now then it was 232 years ago ?

I am reading here that Jmac will be dead before his term is up ??

Look at this Age at Death

John Adams 33,108d (90y 247d)
Thomas Jefferson 30,386d (83y 82d)
James Madison 31,139d (85y 104d)
James Monroe 26,729d (73y 67d)
John Q. Adams 29,466d (80y 227d)
Andrew Jackson 28,574d (78y 85d)
Martin Van Buren 29,085d (79y 231d)
James Buchanan 28,163d (77y 39d)
Herbert Hoover 32,943d (90y 71d)
Harry S, Truman 32,373d (88y 232d)
Dwight D. Eisenhower 28,654d (78y 165d)
Richard Nixon 29,688d (81y 103d
Gerald Ford 34,133d (93y 165d)
Ronald Regan 34,133d (93y 165d)

George H.W.Bush (still alive ) 30,779d (84y 98d)
Jimmy Carter (still alive ) 30,668d (83y 353d)

That is 16 outa 43 presidents that have lived or still are living past the age that JMac will be after his 1st term.

We live longer now then even 40 years ago.

JMac's Mother is still alive Age ,,,96 ?

Odds of Jmac LIVING ???? I would say Pretty Damn Good !!

 

[RandomAccess]

Odds of Jmac LIVING ???? I would say Pretty Damn Good !!

So, why the secrecy on the health records?

And check all the points already made in the thread, Letme. . . Average life expectancy for an American male is 74. McCain's cancer history and related prognoses. McCain's father died of heart disease at 70. McCain is currently on blood thinners. The stress related effects upon longevity from torture.

We don't need a leader who's possibility of living out his term are, generously, no better than even.

 

[letme]

R.A.

LOOK at what I Posted about age ^^^200 years ago the life ex was like 60yrs or even less.Shit maybe 40.
Life Exp. don't mean shit. John Adams was 91(almost) He was born in 1735 !!!

Yep I guess he had no stress being the 2ND prez of the country.

The secrecy about his health records ? No Idea . What was WJC's problem with releasing his records when asked ?