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Why does this woman still have a job?

^ Was that entirely necessary?

Well, we all know what lengths Telly will go to on a slow day to get the necessary clamor. He just has to pic a time when no mods are around to ensure he gets the most shock value for the buck.

Life is like a box of desperate stunts. They are great substitutes for civility. And the apes just love 'em. But when they throw them back through the bars, they've been "processed," hence Telly's other great preoccupation.
 
i like to take arugments like this to their logical conclusion,
if she isnt held deely[sic] accountable by the public for this very bigoted attack on human dignity
and if we allow her to manipulate peoples feelings about religion
she is no better than the guys who killed matt shepard
and we are no better than the people who turn a blind eye to all kind of bigotry we see every day

With respect, your reduction of bigotry to a flat Earth view is an untenable stand when judging human transgressions. We cannot allow a black/white dichotomy to prevail when condemning the enemies of civil rights, be they for gay men or anyone else.

Our social codes, as exemplified by our laws and customs, are not perfect, but they are not primitive either. We don't equate petty shoplifting with bank robbery or grand theft. Our social attitudes nor our criminal punishments equate them. A boy may steal a candy bar from a store, a woman may shoplift a carton of cigarettes, and a man may embezzle $1 million, and they all face different levels of condemnation and punishment.

It is the tendency of racial supremacists, and exclusive religionists, to frame the world in absolute dichotomies. Judaism, Shintoism, Christianity and Islam have all taught their doctrines of us vs. them, with no quarter given for compromise or middle ground. As recently as 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) issued the Domine Jesu reassertion that non-Catholic Christians remain infidels, bastards within the eyes of the HRCC.

Viewing the world as all us or them is a dangerous and inaccurate portrayal of humanity, of the ability to change, of the dynamics of human psyche. It is the road of the leaders of ISIS.

Kim Davis is probably a true martyr in her mind, despite all the snarky comments about crowd funding and capitalistic aspirations. For those familiar with this sort of Apostolic sect, her ability to compartmentalize one teaching versus another is hardly rare. It's hardly rare in personal morality, business ethics, and a range of human behaviors well apart from religion. We saw it clearly in the blind spots about human rights when the U.S. Declaration of Independence was adopted and in the U.S. Constitution. We see it today in all governments and most social institutions across an array of inconsistencies.

She may or may not at some point evolve. If one examines the social influences that lead to personal transformation, the odds may well be against it. She is surrounded by a culture in her immediate environment that would champion her stand, supporting her as a bulwark against "outsider" forces that are imposing change. From a civil and legal standpoint, it is immaterial. She is an elected official and took an oath to uphold the rule of law. She is justly prosecuted just as surely as Martin Luther if breaking a civil law. Unfortunately, the stand she took is not as noble as Luther's, and her infamy will likely follow her to her grave, but thankfully marks a milestone for many of us who may live in less than progressive regions.

However, to directly rebut your conclusion, she is NOT on a level with Matthew Shepard's murderers. They took a life, an act from which there is no recovery or reparation. Denying a class of people equality, even harming that class by disallowing financial advantages of civil marriage, is NOT equal to murder. Shoplifting isn't equal to grand theft or embezzling millions of dollars. Breaking a $10 bowl from Wal-Mart is NOT equal to blowing up a temple at Palmyra or hammering the Pieta to smithereens. There is harm, and there is great harm, and we judge them differently, and that is appropriate.

This again gets us back to the racial purity sort of thinking, like Shintoism holds, and others. You can't say that one type of bigotry is as bad as another when the impacts and consequences are so dramatically unequal. If reductionist thinking is to prevail, castrate the 13 year old boy who "steals" a kiss without permission, as he is destined to be serial rapist.

Matthew Shepard's killers did great harm. Kim Davis delayed official recognition of some marriage licenses for a matter of weeks or months. The two acts are not even in the same boat. Both being wrong doesn't make them equal.

And, as wrong as Davis is, there is no argument to be made for her death or immolation -- that is some sort of bizarre hysteria.
 
Number 3) needs an addition to not knowing the law, they also don't know much about their own religious beliefs.
 
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The Liberty Fund that was "defending" the right of marriage is a front; they'll use Kim Davis for all she's worth and throw her by the wayside when their 10 minutes of fame is done. In the meantime, they're sending out email after email to contribute to the organization so that they can continue to "beat Satan" and "restore marriage." It's a typical ploy and people like Kim Davis are, unfortunately, not smart enough to realize they are being used.

As for her being "fired," I do wish the news media would use this as an opportunity to teach the vast numbers of Americans about their own government. The States (13 at the time) came together to unite and formed a "United States of America." It was not perfect, particularly at the start, and the new government nearly failed because of "state's rights" (and the Confederacy did fail for much the same reason).

States were divided in subdivisions for the purposes of representation. In the east (and Alaska), Borough's are much like counties and counties were, in turn, divided into townships in much of the country. The purpose was to allow an individual to reach a polling place within a day's ride (by horse). When an area achieved enough population, it could become a "Village" and still later incorporate and become a "city."

Elected officials are not easily removed -- by design. Imagine what would happen to President Obama if all it took were a Congress to say "you're fired"; I think Donald thinks this is still the case but he gets to fire Congress. Instead, the founders and most charters or incorporating documents provide for methods of removing people from office. None of them are easy. Normally the citizens can conduct a petition drive and gather a percentage of signatures from those casting ballots in the last election or registered in the locality. It is often a daunting task requiring considerable effort but "recalls" the person occupying the office. The position is then filled in a special election and the person that was "recalled" usually cannot run for office either for a period of years or forever.

The other method is that the elected body -- county or state -- has to "impeach" the official. Only two presidents have ever been impeached and neither was then convicted and removed from office. Again, the process is difficult and usually the charges are brought in one house of the legislature (in the case of federal levels, the House of Representatives). A vote is taken on whether to impeach and it then moves to the other chamber for a formal action. Only when the other chamber votes to remove is the individual actually impeached and removed from office. Richard Nixon probably stood the best chance at the full process but resigned because he was told it would happen.

In the Clerk's case, the state could impeach her through a vote and action or the citizens could recall her from office. She cannot be fired nor can pretty much any elected official. Most charters also contain language that you cannot eliminate the pay for an individual. Again, the framers of our government wanted to dissuade "starving out" someone from office. However, their pay can be garnished to satisfy a court order which is what I hope they do to Ms. Davis.

Sadly, the news media doesn't understand the government they cover so I doubt any of this would ever make headlines.
 
much to what wiz said, people are just too complacent, lazy, stupid, foolish, shortsighted, etc, sorry to be so harsh but its the truth. Americans are just far too gullible, easy to trick, manipulate, spoon feed and shortchange for that is why things like this keep happening.
 
Has anyone read anything about how Davis feels about mixed-race marriages?
 
Has anyone read anything about how Davis feels about mixed-race marriages?

I believed one gay couple asked Kim Davis about that when she refuse to provide the marriage licenses to same-sex LGBT.

She said yes as long as they're a man and a woman.
 
It goes to my point about black and white. That's she's a moron about her legal duty as an officer of the government is one thing.

That she doesn't approve of gay marriage is another.

It's not necessary to make her an advocate of automatic weaponry, a hater of vegans, a champion of solitary confinement and the death penalty, or a home schooler.

Some demographics indeed overlap sect and locale, but there really isn't a need to create a straw man monster.

Her actions are egregious enough, but she is still an individual. No need in replacing her bigotry with a stereotype of our own imposing.
 
It's not necessary to make her an advocate of automatic weaponry, a hater of vegans, a champion of solitary confinement and the death penalty, or a home schooler.
I'm curious, in the US is it mainly religious extremists who home-school their kids, presumably to prevent them learning things contrary to the 'faith' or coming into contact with liberal ideas? Hence the negative connotations of 'home-schooled' in the US?

I'm not sure if it is the case now (considering the rise in Islamic extremism here), but in the UK it always used to be mostly liberals who home-schooled their kids to give them a broader education than they would have received via the standard curriculum. I knew several couples who home-schooled their kids for precisely that reason.
 
I don't have the stats to say conclusively, but yes, in the three areas where I have lived, the South, Alaska, and New Mexico, there is a retreatist mentality among a fringe, and they resort to home schooling for ideological reasons.

Of course, in some rural areas, there may be perfectly normal people who do it due to unreasonable commutes, like in rural Alaska.

And there are a very few who have gifted children who would probably be held back by the public system and the family might not want to send a young child off to a boarding school just to get advanced curriculum.

All I have known personally have been trying to protect their children from true education and use home schooling to ensure indoctrination and prevent multiple views from being available.

As a former public school teacher, I never met a kid who was home schooled whom I felt had been adequately taught to socialize in a non-defensive mode.
 
I'm curious, in the US is it mainly religious extremists who home-school their kids, presumably to prevent them learning things contrary to the 'faith' or coming into contact with liberal ideas? Hence the negative connotations of 'home-schooled' in the US?

I'm not sure if it is the case now (considering the rise in Islamic extremism here), but in the UK it always used to be mostly liberals who home-schooled their kids to give them a broader education than they would have received via the standard curriculum. I knew several couples who home-schooled their kids for precisely that reason.
They don't want to expose their kids to <gasp> sex ed. Or have their kids be around anyone who knows something about sex and tell their kids about it.

They don't want to teach evolution, for them it's creationism all the way. The earth was created in 6 days and the the earth is roughly 6,000yrs old.

Blacks are the children of Ham. And therefore, cursed. Not all the religious right believes that blacks are the children of Ham, but there are those who do.
 
I've known some people who were home schooled. They were completely socially inept or starved for any kind of social interaction. Then there was one guy who was in his teens and didn't know what fractions were.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/gay-couples-try-wed-defiant-clerk-sits-jail-082850785.html#

So Kim Davis is still being a martyr and had her attorney continue to fight so all the homosexual couples won't get married by making up excuse saying that all the marriage licenses without her name on it is void.

-shaking my own head vigorously-

Why is this woman so desperate to force her beliefs down on everyone's throat? She'll continue to play the martyr for as long as she want.
 

True, she cannot raise money through a GoFundMe campaign, but there are lots of alternative sources through which she may accept donated cash. And there are lots of people willing to give this bigot their money. Judge Bunning jailed Davis - despite a specific request from plaintiffs' attornies that he not do so - because he believed others would come forward to pay on her behalf any fines he might impose.
 
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