why don't all blacks support gays?

[CupCake]

I want to make it clear that I am not saying its true... I am just stating the facts that as a Californian they blamed it on the blacks and Latinos and Not the gays but the ones who were glad it passed were saying it was the minorities who helped it win... My mom who is a black woman voted No though and I was happy but my grandparents were going to vote yes because the church told them to but I persuaded them to support me so they also voted No....

 

[OnixWish]

Ok so lets like let this thread die. its full of nothing but evil.

 

[Apollo]

I think I just heard the world's tiniest violin playing.

Seriously, the same long winded egomanic who habitually writes insufferably drawn out posts like that probably jerks off in the mirror every time he loses 3 lbs.

That was so wrong, but so funny.

Sorry MysticWizard. I don't agree with him, but it was funny.

 

[MystikWizard]

I think I just heard the world's tiniest violin playing.

Seriously, the same long winded egomanic who habitually writes insufferably drawn out posts like that probably jerks off in the mirror every time he loses 3 lbs.

I shouldn't even dignify your comments, however just in case you want to know, I am about 225 pounds, and am 5'9. I am slightly overweight. I am not what I would call fat, but I am definitely a little chunky and need to start working out.

As far as me being an Egomaniac, not hardly. I have a pretty low opinion of myself, to be frank, which stems from my sexuality, and which I am going through Therapy sessions for.

I suffer from depression, social anxiety disorder, and avoidant personality disorder, and as a result of accepting my sexuality, this has resulted in those anxiety disorders kicking in full blast and me not working in over a year, out of fear of dealing and interacting with people and obsessive worrying over whether I am going to be accepted or not ... or if they will find out about my sexuality.

I am a failure and disappointment to my family. Now, does this sound like an Egomaniac to you?

It's called speaking up for your beliefs. That's all I am doing. And no, I don't need or want your sympathy. I just had to set the record straight on the "egomaniac" charges by providing a small insight into my life.

 

[CupCake]

I don't see you addressing a damn thing from that closet door - you're a hype man with a broken record.

I'm addressing YOU now - one of the assholes who clearly needs a history lesson and a backbone. I don't need to address either ckyb2 or Mystik(and i'm ignoring HawaiiBum's statistics, being as they don't matter all that much in the respects to THIS topic), because neither are listening to the other side, and i clearly don't have the energy to sway either on a compromise. But you, you're absolutely easy, because you just don't know how laughable your position really is. Lemme get the wizard on the phone again.

Oddly enough, there are points on both that i do agree with. But wait, lets not say that, because i want you to think i'm tapdancing for whitey while you hold on to that "black pride".

OH MY GOSH Thank you! I was called the same thing and made out to look like a sell out! The truth is is that I am not a sell out but I agree with FACTS on both sides! Neoslacker it seems you get mad when someone disagrees with you and thats a bad way to think! I never once put my race down! I never said all blacks do not support gays and I never said blacks hold on to slavery when it has been over for over 100 years! I never said these things but I have agreed with different posters all over the spectrum! I am not on a black or white side I am on my side! And I think that (like I said before) we need to stop trying to prove what certain groups been through! We need to stop trying to prove who had it worse! YES Jews and African Americans had it worse back then than homosexuals in this generation but! HATE IS HATE! I want everyone to have their rights and be who they are but like someone said above, Humans will always find a group to hate on.

 

[MisterMajestic]

a co-worker and i had a discussion today (he is black) about this topic. I asked him why after the civil rights movement some blacks are still opposed to equal rights for gays. he said "it's a cultural thing." to me this is no different than the prejudice whites tried to justify against blacks. and while most gays tend to be liberal and accepting in general, and certainly voted more heavily in support of Obama, it seems as though blacks justify their prejudice while simultaneously criticizing people who are prejudice against them. anyone else bothered by this?

So what if Liberal-GAYS voted for Obama...LOL.....Big-Fucking-Deal..Liberal-Gays just like Liberal-BLACKS would have voted for ANY Fucking Democrat on the ticket...You have to do better than that...


I'm certainly not bothered by the Majority of Straight Blacks not supporting the Gay Community and I'm not bothered by the Majority of Straight Whites not supporting the Gay community..

Some whites stood by Blacks and were VOCAL during the Civil rights movement and some chose to remain quiet..That's LIFE...


In my opinon White Americans SHOULD support Blacks getting reparations but they do not...Whites do support Survivors of the Holocaust getting reparations and Whites do support the Japanese getting reparations...but that's okay because we don't expect Whites to support us on certain issues...


So Gays need to take note...You're on your OWN...Get yourself a leader and create a Plan and put it into action...The Black Community will NOT be your Savior anytime soon...Straight Blacks have "little" sympathy for White gays crying about not getting married...

White Gays MIGHT stand a chance at getting Black support in the Future when Whites are no longer the majority in our Society...If White Gays can't WIN OVER White Straights then where does that leave the Gay Community as a whole?

 

[CupCake]

This whole thread makes it seem like people are pinning the gays against the blacks and I do not think thats was the case! WHAT ABOUT BLACK GAYS? who are in the middle of this.... I do not choose I side because I do not want to be judged and put down for my race the same way as I do not want to be judged and put down for my sexual orientation! I will never give someone a pass because they are like me! If there was a gay against gay rights I would not like that, if there was a racist gay I would not like that ,if there was a black against gay rights I would not like that ,and if there was a black against his own race and self hate I would not like that either.... Funny thing is I have dealt with people who are like every last one of those.

 

[MisterMajestic]

This whole thread makes it seem like people are pinning the gays against the blacks and I do not think thats was the case! WHAT ABOUT BLACK GAYS? who are in the middle of this.... I do not choose I side because I do not want to be judged and put down for my race the same way as I do not want to be judged and put down for my sexual orientation! I will never give someone a pass because they are like me! If there was a gay against gay rights I would not like that, if there was a racist gay I would not like that ,if there was a black against gay rights I would not like that ,and if there was a black against his own race and self hate I would not like that either.... Funny thing is I have dealt with people who are like every last one of those.

Go back and re-read the OP's first post...He meant for this thread to be Gay VS Black...

 

[CupCake]

Go back and re-read the OP's first post...He meant for this thread to be Gay VS Black...

I see that now! And it is kind of frustrating because I am not about to sit up here and pick a side! People making me seem as I am a sell out really bugs me because I am agreeing with both sides! Fact is I am agreeing with both sides because I have two parts of me here fighting! Black and Gay... There for I will try and defend every thing I agree with.... I do not value one more than the other they are both me....

 

[MystikWizard]

The intriguing thing that I see happening in this thread is that several Black Gays, who are just as much part of the Gay Community, don't seemingly want to be included in the Gay Community.

Rather, the line is being drawn and instead of saying "I am Black AND I am Gay" ... what is being said is "I am Black ... and you Gays are on your own". Again, seemingly dismissing the fact that these several posters ARE ALSO in the Gay Community.

I just find the whole thing very peculiar and find it increasingly odd that a choice to "Be Black BEFORE I am Gay" is even being made on this issue.

 

[CupCake]

The intriguing thing that I see happening in this thread is that several Black Gays, who are just as much part of the Gay Community, don't seemingly want to be included in the Gay Community.

Rather, the line is being drawn and instead of saying "I am Black AND I am Gay" ... what is being said is "I am Black ... and you Gays are on your own". Again, seemingly dismissing the fact that these several posters ARE ALSO in the Gay Community.

I just find the whole thing very peculiar and find it increasingly odd that a choice to "Be Black BEFORE I am Gay" is even being made on this issue.

Ok see you hit the nail on the head here! I do not want to look like OH I AM AN OVER ACCOMMODATING NEGROE because I do not choose my race over my sexual orientation I am not gay first and then black and I am not black first and then gay I am black and gay at the same time and I am not gonna choose one because one is not more important! I know there are some racist gays and I hate that and I know there are some blacks who are religious and do not support gays and I hate that....

 

[CupCake]

You know it is obivious with the two comments that you have made here that you have a some major issues with white america. Okay, we all know that there are racist people in the world, and here in the US. I think you are beating a dead horse in trying to point it out. You are just as hyprocritcial because of how you view whites. Two wrongs don't make a right. You make the comment about pointing fingers, the same rule that you spat out, wouldn't you say it applies to you aswell?

The OP asked a question about one issue, but I see it has turned into a black and white issue. I am so tired of it. I am tired of black people always accusing white men or women for holding them down. No one holds you down but you. So what their racist, you deal with it and move on. But when you come here and say what you say, and yes you have a right to say it. Who are you helping. NO-ONE, what you are doing is letting somene opinion or comments get to you enough that it triggers a response. What you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that may or may not be there.

If you are stuck in a place where you feel let down or held down. That is your own fault, because it is up to you to have the power to get up and stop crying and wipe your butt off and step over the "fools" that seem to get your goat.

This may be a bit off topic, but I just get tired of the cry me a river routine, just because I'm black.

I absolutely agree with this post 100% ! not kissing ass btw I am just agreeing with him and seconding that! (I agreed with a black man you happy now Neo?)

 

[CupCake]

I don't hesitate to say that I'm black before I am gay. Black is both heredity and lineage, gay is not. Before I had a concept of "gay," I knew what "black" was and that it was what I am. Sorry if that doesn't jibe with pompously idealistic white gay men and the accommodating negroes who love them, but it's how I feel.

That was the most ignorant post I have seen on this thread yet! You know its fine you are black before your gay that was not the bad part but talking about "Sorry if that doesn't jibe with pompously idealistic white gay men and the accommodating negroes who love them" What are you trying to prove? How is this a white or black thing???? Why do you people insist on calling blacks on here who are not bias and listen to both sides of the story accommodating negroes?

I do not put anything before anything but thats just me! I am me! It don't matter if one thing is hereditary so what! I am gay and I do not want people taking away rights from me and I do not want people judging me because I am black just like I do not want them judging me because I am gay! HATE IS HATE! Rights is Rights! Why pick sides? Why say one is more important!

And last time I checked its not only white and blacks who are gay so how is this white and black?

Its gay asians,latinos,middle easterns,native americans, and so much more!

 

[CupCake]

Okay Confused....So first the OP of this thread makes it about blacks not supporting gays! And then he ignores all the post that was answering his questions! Next the whole black and gay feud turned into a black and white feud and I do not know how... And now if you are black then you have to forget your gay and put your gay rights on the back burner instead of acknowledging who you are and defending yourself altogether! You are considered sellout if you do not put black first and make the whole white race your enemy..... Okay I get it now...

 

[MystikWizard]

Okay Confused....So first the OP of this thread makes it about blacks not supporting gays! And then he ignores all the post that was answering his questions! Next the whole black and gay feud turned into a black and white feud and I do not know how... And now if you are black then you have to forget your gay and put your gay rights on the back burner instead of acknowledging who you are and defending yourself altogether! You are considered sellout if you do not put black first and make the whole white race your enemy..... Okay I get it now...

I must admit that I am both baffled, and yet intrigued at the same time with how the discussion has turned.

I think White posters should stay out of this, and that there should be a discussion amongst just Black Gay posters on here, just in regard to the thought process that "I am Black BEFORE I am Gay." Because I think this discussion right here is getting us to the crux of the matter and can possibly explain a lot about why things might be the way they are.

 

[CupCake]

I must admit that I am both baffled, and yet intrigued at the same time with how the discussion has turned.

I think White posters should stay out of this, and that there should be a discussion amongst just Black Gay posters on here, just in regard to the thought process that "I am Black BEFORE I am Gay." Because I think this discussion right here is getting us to the crux of the matter and can possibly explain a lot about why things might be the way they are.

Its now a war between the Blacks who choose whats more important to them and the ones who consider themselves equally Gay and Black.... I just gotta say I love myself and I love that I am black and I love that I am gay aswell and I will never put one before the other... If someone is saying that its wrong to be gay and trying to strip me from my rights it still does not make it right if their black just because they look like me!

 

[CupCake]

What about mixed-race posters?

Oh no, silly me, I always forget that in the JUB race wars everything is black or white and there is no room for grey.

lol I say black because thats what people will call me if they see me walking down the street... But actually I am of mixed race.... My Mom is African American and my father is Mexican and Filipino.

 

[MystikWizard]

What about mixed-race posters?

Oh no, silly me, I always forget that in the JUB race wars everything is black or white and there is no room for grey.

Hmmmm, I think we have a completely separate area for Mixed Races to debate in (lol).

No, come on in and join the Party.

 

[CupCake]

Calling you an Oreo is just a technique to shut you up so you wont express a contrary opinion and discredit you. Many blacks fall prey and kowtow. Same goes for whites when Racist is thrown at them.

Yeah I know what they are trying to do but I just wish they could see how ignorant it sounds... I guess I can't though they will still have their feelings...

 

[CupCake]

Why don't all blacks support gays?

Because the Bible tells them so.

I didn't know all blacks were Christians....