why don't all blacks support gays?

[TylerDurden222]

a co-worker and i had a discussion today (he is black) about this topic. I asked him why after the civil rights movement some blacks are still opposed to equal rights for gays. he said "it's a cultural thing." to me this is no different than the prejudice whites tried to justify against blacks. and while most gays tend to be liberal and accepting in general, and certainly voted more heavily in support of Obama, it seems as though blacks justify their prejudice while simultaneously criticizing people who are prejudice against them. anyone else bothered by this?

 

[gsdx]

Why should they? I'm sure, during the civil rights movement, not all gay people supported the blacks.

 

[sabot3ur]

tired.

no one has an obligation to support anyone, this is a generalization, the civil rights movement was a generation ago, etc.

next someone will come in and say that the gay "community" doesn't reach out enough to the black "community"

someone will say it's the fault of religion rather than race

and something else will happen, but I can't think of anything else

 

[BabiGayPimp]

Well, where you stand often depends upon where you sit. If you don't perceive something as affecting you or limiting your choices, it's easy to be apathetic or even hostile towards any kind of advocacy. Not all gays support women in their fight for equality, even though our movement has much in common with the women's movement. That's why continual outreach has value. We can't just snap our fingers and make all of them agree with us.

 

[Alpha1851]

TylerDurden, are you married to a woman? Do you openly support the LGBT fight for equality?

Hell, some LGBT people don't support the fight for equality. Some gay and lesbian people want to separate themselves from transgender/transexual people when it comes to the fight for equality.

For what it's worth, we have African American kids in the GSA and their parents are very involved.

 

[TylerDurden222]

I will readily concede that "some" Black Americans are not on board with the struggles of Gay people, but I WILL NOT make blanket generalizations about an entire group of people as U are doing!

i guess you missed the part where i stated "SOME" blacks at the beginning of my post. that is not a blanket generalization, now is it? and to be honest, considering 70% of blacks voted for prop 8, a more appropriate statement would probably be "most" not "some."

 

[TylerDurden222]

TylerDurden, are you married to a woman? Do you openly support the LGBT fight for equality?

Hell, some LGBT people don't support the fight for equality. Some gay and lesbian people want to separate themselves from transgender/transexual people when it comes to the fight for equality.

For what it's worth, we have African American kids in the GSA and their parents are very involved.

yes I am married and I have always supported the LGBT movement. the world spends too much time and energy telling people what not to do. if we spent half these resources on bettering society (instead of segregating it) the world would be a totally different place. and it is infuriating, that a culture who spent half a century fighting for "fair and equitable treatment of others," can vote 7/3 in favor of not allowing gays to have the same rights they now have. unbelievable.

 

[OnixWish]

I think its cause several churches that the majority of the members are black really stress that homosexuality is a sin. They look at it as if it is equal to murder. People in my family and in my town look down on homosexuals. when they see them they often talk under their breath and make faces. I've seen my church kick a guy out, he was worshiping God and dancing like everyone else, he was just very feminine which got people staring, which led to them calling the police, saying he was disruptive.

 

[TylerDurden222]

I think its cause several churches that the majority of the members are black really stress that homosexuality is a sin. They look at it as if it is equal to murder. People in my family and in my town look down on homosexuals. when they see them they often talk under their breath and make faces. I've seen my church kick a guy out, he was worshiping God and dancing like everyone else, he was just very feminine which got people staring, which led to them calling the police, saying he was disruptive.

equal to murder? wow, I'd love to see the looks on these bigots faces when they learn their son/daughter/brother/sister is gay. funny how narrow minded people can be. would the people you describe like gays to sit in the back of buses and use separate schools and washrooms as themselves too? this gets me so pissed off

 

[metta]

Why don't all gays support gay rights?

 

[TylerDurden222]

Why don't all gays support gay rights?

let me clear something up. I chose to say "all blacks" in the title of my thread to imply that some blacks are supportive of gay rights. if i had just said "why dont blacks support gays" people would say i'm making generalizations as there are blacks who support gays.

make sense?

 

[gsdx]

i guess you missed the part where i stated "SOME" blacks at the beginning of my post.

I believe that NeoSlacker was referring to your topic title, as did I: "why don't all blacks support gays?"

 

[gsdx]

let me clear something up. I chose to say "all blacks" in the title of my thread to imply that some blacks are supportive of gay rights. if i had just said "why dont blacks support gays" people would say i'm making generalizations as there are blacks who support gays.

make sense?

It doesn't help when your post contradicts the topic title.

 

[gsdx]

A word of advice, Tyler.

Assume that most people are going to assume that the content of the post is going to reflect the title of the thread and may react only to the title and respond accordingly.

The problem here, as stated above, is that your title doesn't match the content. Most people are responding to 'All' because that is the word which probably drew them into the thread in the first place, and that is the word they are reacting to.

Just a bit for friendly advice for the future.

 

[The Reviewer]

Black people represent 7% of California's population. Perhaps hetero Blacks put the vote over the top, but they certainly had enough help to do so from non-Blacks.
And OP...like stated above, no single group is required to support any other group of individuals. For some of us to continue to think so is going to continue to fuel the anger. It's something some of us are going to have to deal with, accept and move on without non-supporters regardless of their race.

 

[CupCake]

I have a friend who is African American and his grandmother supports him for being a homosexual and so does the rest of his family, however, for some reason she let her religion get in the way, thus, voting "yes" on Prop 8. A lot of African Americans are Christian. So, I think it has more to do with that persons religion more than anything.

That friend he is talking about is me! She lets her frigging religion get in the way when she does not even follow it like she should! You do not have to support me! But do not dabble in my rights and do not take things away from me because its none of your damn business religious or not.

Its not just Blacks though its allot of minorities and religious bible thumpers... But I bet you this! They may be against me being gay and not support me but I have studied all religions and I bet I know more about their religion then they do themselves... Half of people do not even know that religion was used as excuse for slavery and other bad things that are frowned up on today....

 

[TylerDurden222]

It doesn't help when your post contradicts the topic title.

and if i had not included "all," people would be here saying i'm overlooking the blacks that are supportive, so there is no perfect topic title here

"make sense"?

- um....Hell No! You aren't making any sense in my view. Why didn't you make a thread about "why All Latinos or Whites don't support gays? U just needed a place to be angry...eh?

i don't recall the Latinos and whites leading the civil rights movement as aggressively as blacks did

A word of advice, Tyler.

Assume that most people are going to assume that the content of the post is going to reflect the title of the thread and may react only to the title and respond accordingly.

The problem here, as stated above, is that your title doesn't match the content. Most people are responding to 'All' because that is the word which probably drew them into the thread in the first place, and that is the word they are reacting to.

Just a bit for friendly advice for the future.

so instead of talking about the real issue, people want to talk about semantics? and for the third time, i've explained why i chose the title i did

Black people represent 7% of California's population. Perhaps hetero Blacks put the vote over the top, but they certainly had enough help to do so from non-Blacks.
And OP...like stated above, no single group is required to support any other group of individuals. For some of us to continue to think so is going to continue to fuel the anger. It's something some of us are going to have to deal with, accept and move on without non-supporters regardless of their race.

as I've stated, I chose blacks because they of all people were as vocal for free rights as anyone. when i see straight whites and asians marching the way Farrakan, MLK, Jackson and Sharpton have, i'll make a new thread. sound good?

 

[undisclosed1234]

a co-worker and i had a discussion today (he is black) about this topic. I asked him why after the civil rights movement some blacks are still opposed to equal rights for gays. he said "it's a cultural thing." to me this is no different than the prejudice whites tried to justify against blacks. and while most gays tend to be liberal and accepting in general, and certainly voted more heavily in support of Obama, it seems as though blacks justify their prejudice while simultaneously criticizing people who are prejudice against them. anyone else bothered by this?

No, the assumption you're working off here is that regardless of backgrounds, education and predispositions all minorities are perceived equal in social value and should therefore all strive for each other's rights.

That's false.

Blacks are also some of the most religious and morally conservative people in the States. Not to mention that black is an ethnicity, making their condition a humanitarian one. Their discrimination was against a natural state- whereas many people still see homosexuality as being a choice. Race > Sexuality in social concerns.

 

[gsdx]

so instead of talking about the real issue, people want to talk about semantics? and for the third time, i've explained why i chose the title i did

Belated explanations don't help your case. They never will. Most will see them as a 'cover up'.

I gave you some advice about the importance of the topic title to the content of your post. Many people have already settled on a response to your thread before they even click the link. It doesn't matter what you say in your post. They very likely responded only to your title. I did an experiment several years ago in which the title had nothing to do with the post. Of all the responses (I believe there were over 40 of them) only one person read the post and responded accordingly. Everyone else responded only to the title.

Take the advice as you will, but I'm not against you. I'm trying to help. My advice wasn't meant to do nothing more than to help you avoid similar situations in the future.

 

[TylerDurden222]

No, the assumption you're working off here is that regardless of backgrounds, education and predispositions all minorities are perceived equal in social value and should therefore all strive for each other's rights.

That's false.

Blacks are also some of the most religious and morally conservative people in the States. Not to mention that black is an ethnicity, making their condition a humanitarian one. Their discrimination was against a natural state- whereas many people still see homosexuality as being a choice. Race > Sexuality in social concerns.

i am not talking about "all minorities," i'm talking about blacks. no other minority group has promoted "equal rights" like blacks have, which is why they are being discussed. in addition, both the Asian and Latino populations had a much lower support level for prop 8. so not only did blacks push more then any other minority group for civil rights, but they conversely also had the highest percentage of support for prop 8 of all minority groups. not sure how this is even a debatable topic when you consider those 2 variables.