why don't all blacks support gays?

[Jayden]

The question should be......

Why dont all PEOPLE support gay rights?

 

[CupCake]

The question should be......

Why dont all PEOPLE support gay rights?

Fair enough.

 

[CupCake]

Then we wouldn't have anything fun to read as we eat our popcorn.

Moe Reality TV gives me that opportunity! You should watch Junk Reality tv and eat your popcorn! Full of drama and hilarious

 

[MystikWizard]

The question should be......

Why dont all PEOPLE support gay rights?

Because all "people" don't necessarily have the same cultures and basic beliefs, many of which are simply passed down from their parents, grandparents, and so forth.

Why is it that Whites and Asians in California are now at the point where they are UNDER the 50% mark on this issue, but Blacks and Hispanics are not?

Again, not a single Black or Hispanic on this forum should take offense to any of this, because I think it's a safe assumption that if you are on this site, you probably support Gay Rights. However, it is the overall communities we are breaking down and examining on where each are at as far as progress goes. Not literally every single person in each of the communities.

Again, common sense and logic dictates that not every single person in each of the said communities all share the same beliefs. But, when a majority of the people within the community do, that highlights a problem, as far as our priorities are concerned. And once we know what we are up against, we can plan a course of action on the prime areas we need to target.

Again, according to Prop 8, these groups are:

Seniors
Hispanics
Blacks


No Senior, Hispanic, or Black poster on this site, should take offense to any of this, as you know damn well that you are not grouped in with the rest of the members of the community by any poster on this forum.

But I think it is a valid question to ask "Why does homophobia run more rampant in Seniors? Why does it run more rampant in Blacks? Why does it run more rampant than with Hispanics?"

Like I said, when the percentage is over 50%, clearly that demonstrates that there is a problem that needs to be addressed in the community that voted accordingly.

 

[CupCake]

Um....Cupcake ~ Stop being a Ass Kisser on this thread! You've made your race known to us 200 times already! The OP insulted YOUR Race in his premise, yet you keep making posts to support him.

WOW! 200 times? over exaggeration much? And he did not insult me at all. I am sorry if you are very sensitive but I was just stating the facts that I live in a community where their are allot of homophobes who voted against gay rights and although homophobes come from all races I was surprised that it could come from a certain group who was also discriminated against! Now I learned my lesson that everyone had their own opinions and grew up differently! And I am sorry that you cant stand a person that disagrees with you but I will not stoop to your level and resort to name calling. Have a nice day.

 

[bankside]

OY people seriously.

"Why don't any blacks support gays?"
"Why don't all blacks support gays?"

See the difference?

How about this: Why doesn't the overwhelming, 9 to 1 majority of blacks support gays?

 

[Jayden]

Then we wouldn't have anything fun to read as we eat our popcorn.

Lets turn on a wind machine and pose with our hair blowing in the wind, and have some popcorn.

 

[undisclosed1234]

i am not talking about "all minorities," i'm talking about blacks. no other minority group has promoted "equal rights" like blacks have, which is why they are being discussed. in addition, both the Asian and Latino populations had a much lower support level for prop 8. so not only did blacks push more then any other minority group for civil rights, but they conversely also had the highest percentage of support for prop 8 of all minority groups. not sure how this is even a debatable topic when you consider those 2 variables.

Re-read my post. I addressed all of that.

You're assuming that because blacks pushed for equal rights that should automatically include gays in their pursuit. That's a ridiculous premise. The push was obviously for equal "racial" rights on their part. Big diff. Race was the big issue advocated by blacks, not "equality for all" and certainly not sexuality. They are two completely different issues, pushed through completely different manners and channels. How can you not process that?

As for their support of Prop 8, that is not at all surprising considering the homophobia of popular black culture (rap, etc.) and the fact that they are one of the most conservative and Christian ethnicities around.

It makes complete logical sense.

 

[bankside]

Well, why doesn't the overwhelming majority of the black community support equal rights for gay people?

There have to be some practical answers here, so we can fix it.

 

[bankside]

TEA BREAK!!!

*pours out*

Why don't black people make tea as often as....

never mind...

 

[undisclosed1234]

Well, why doesn't the overwhelming majority of the black community support equal rights for gay people?

There have to be some practical answers here, so we can fix it.

Same reason why an overwhelming majority of people don't support equal rights for gays. Religion, homophobic culture.

 

[CupCake]

"stoop to my level"?

Ha! based on your level of Ass Kissing in this thread, I'd say you're just a Grass Hopper standing among Giants!

As a Black Man, you should be ashamed of yourself!

Tell me why should I be ashamed of myself? Because I understood what he was asking? He was not saying anything racist in my opinion he was just asking a question and it may have rubbed some the wrong way but an opinion is an opinion no matter what race you are.

And if you think that I am a grasshopper among giants... SO BE IT... I know I'm new here does that matter......

 

[MystikWizard]

"stoop to my level"?

Ha! based on your level of Ass Kissing in this thread, I'd say you're just a Grass Hopper standing among Giants!

As a Black Man, you should be ashamed of yourself!

Oh, for Pete's sake. Will you grow up?

 

[gsdx]

TEA BREAK!!!

*pours out*

Popcorn?

 

[Alpha1851]

I've had this discussion as well b/c it seems intuitive that all minorities would rally together. Even the most dreadful apathy should be overcome by the knowledge that banning together is just good strategy.

Note there are plenty of straight African American's who do support the fight for gay civil rights. I suppose you're analysis is that since non-whites have faced both legal and societal discrim. in the past, and on some level continue to face prejudices today, that they should be sympathetic to your plight and help w/ the cause. Well, I suppose some black people feel that your struggle isn't their struggle. When someone looks at them, that person knows they are not white and the same isn't true about sexuality. African Americans were slaves and you were not. African Americans couldn't vote and that right has never been denied to you. Studies show that racial profiling is still very real and the same isn't true for the LGBT. Although this is debatable, sexuality is also somewhat fluid, and ethnicity is not. Also, some feel as though the LGBT community never really rallied beside them, so why should they bother getting involved for you. Their struggles are completely different from your struggles and their fight is completely different from your fight.

Oh, I'm white. I just asked, and they answered. No one touted religion, BUT I'm religious and maybe they were afraid of offending me or getting into a religious debate since our beliefs are not the same.

But really, how many of us have reached out to an African American and invited them to a LGBT event or activist rally? I believe most voters are unaware as to how their decisions effect another person's legal rights. To them, marriage is a ceremony in a church. They are not factoring in all the legal benefits and protections that go along w/ it. Educating the African American community might help.

I live in the South and have ran into many African American folks at gay rallies. Haven't you all? Rallies are like the United Nations--everyone's present.

 

[bankside]

And how do you know the overwhelming majority of the black community doesn't support gay rights? California isn't the only state where black people call home. I have yet to see satisfactory polls on how African Americans in every state felt about gay rights. And if their opinions were so drastically higher and more divisive than their white counterparts.

B/c the last time I checked Matt Sheperd wasn't gay bashed to death by a bunch of bible-toting 50 Cent impersonators.

Well, if you say it is so...

 

[CupCake]

Don't be ashamed. Your posts in this baiting thread were amongst those that I appreciated for their honesty and tact.

Thanks Moe I did not want to seem like a sell out lol I just understand what the guy meant and had the same frustrations as him before

 

[bankside]

I've had this discussion as well b/c it seems intuitive that all minorities would rally together. Even the most dreadful apathy should be overcome by the knowledge that banning together is just good strategy.

Note there are plenty of straight African American's who do support the fight for gay civil rights. I suppose you're analysis is that since non-whites have faced both legal and societal discrim. in the past, and on some level continue to face prejudices today, that they should be sympathetic to your plight and help w/ the cause. Well, I suppose some black people feel that your struggle isn't their struggle. When someone looks at them, that person knows they are not white and the same isn't true about sexuality. African Americans were slaves and you were not. African Americans couldn't vote and that right has never been denied to you. Studies show that racial profiling is still very real and the same isn't true for the LGBT. Their struggles are completely different from your struggles and their fight is completely different from your fight. Although this is debatable, sexuality is also somewhat fluid, and ethnicity is not. Also, some feel as though the LGBT community never really rallied beside them, so why should they bother getting involved for you.

But really, how many of us have reached out to an African American and invited them to a LGBT event or activist rally? I believe most voters are unaware as to how their decisions effect another person's legal rights. To them, marriage is a ceremony in a church. They are not factoring in all the legal benefits and protections that go along w/ it. Educating the African American community might help.

You are mistaken in all of your historical parallels. (or rather you are mistaken in denying the historical parallels).

Gay people couldn't vote from within a prison or a mental institution. Gay people were turned in by their own families, the same way family members can turn to "informers" in totalitarian regimes. Profiling based on atypical gender behaviour doesn't result in bullying? Denied services? Employment discrimination?

No, sorry. Try again.

 

[bankside]

From Archives.cbc.ca

Broadcast Date: Nov. 7, 1967

A Supreme Court ruling comes down, and a Northwest Territories mechanic named George Klippert is on his way to jail. His crime is that he is a homosexual. In this CBC Radio clip, Bud Orange, Klippert's MP, says he hopes the government is forced to make a move as a result of the ruling. Justice Minister Pierre Trudeau responds that proposed changes to the criminal code will prevent more cases like Klippert's.

Klippert has been to court twice already: first when he was convicted of gross indecency and sentenced to three years in prison, and second when he was deemed a dangerous sexual offender. He's appealed the case to the Supreme Court, which upholds the ruling in a 3-2 decision and sends Klippert to jail indefinitely — the standard sentence for dangerous sexual offenders.

In 1967 black people were not being sent to jail for life sentences as "dangerously black" because the police just discovered that they were black.

Maybe the issue is that some black people cannot empathize with the depth of struggle facing gay people.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

There have to be some practical answers here, so we can fix it.

hasn't that already been answered? culture, environment, hypermasculinity, religion and ignorance.

alpha offered some wonderful solutions; outreach, outreach, and then when you're done with that, some more outreach. black americans grow up with a very negative image portrayal of homosexuality, no one is offering a counterbalance; not the schools, not the government, etc...

we're at a stalemate right now because neither side is willing to meet in the middle so for now all we can do is watch each group throw stones at the other and stomp their heels into the ground.