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Why don't gay men try to settle down?

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It is a semi-Fascist philosophy by Ayn Rand.

And Naughty, I think you will develop into something VERY interesting with your intelligent perversity AND doctrinaire intelligence. (I know I can praise you without blushing because you have me on Ignore.) :)
 
Most nights, my partner plays Warcraft or Star Wars, and I listen to music and futz around on my computer. Because we have different interests. But we have dinner together, and often go out together, and all that. We're a couple, not a two-headed hydra. :)

Lex
 
Most nights, my partner plays Warcraft or Star Wars, and I listen to music and futz around on my computer. Because we have different interests. But we have dinner together, and often go out together, and all that. We're a couple, not a two-headed hydra. :)

Lex

Quoted and bolded for truth.
 
NaughtyA: My unsettling is the idea that I'd lose part of myself in order to accomplish such a thing.

In your case, that would be a good thing.
 
ans da land mass break up ans fish cum out sea

% then wot? %
@ fishermen was born @
# yeah they make lot hooks ans dress um up ans get alls fish #
^ but neva mind was fart ^

more squid?
* ooh please *

thankyou
 
I consider myself "settled". Yet, I don't have a partner, nor do I "run to the bars".

There's more to being settled in your life than have a partner. You can have a good "settled" life without a partner.
 
I'm settled down. We might go to the local watering hole on saturdays but for the most part, our weekends now consist of staying in and watching movies.
 
Some of us can't FIND someone to settle down with, so, we settle down with ourselves.

And when you're warped due to upbringing so you don't realize your identity until three decades or more after most people do, finding someone can be hard.

I swear it's a machine trying to pass the Touring Test.

That's Turing.
 
As for me, I settled down and got married. I've always been extremely individualistic, but it's just nice to have somebody to go through life with. I also don't think it's only for people "30 and older." I'm 20.

Dead on.

I just like the idea of picking up and going, so the checking in thing always irked me. In fact, I even hated when I lived with one close friend and he was almost always there to ask me how my day was. I like my privacy more than most. I certainly feel like there's more freedom in independence. I don't think it's warped to think that way.

RE: Bankside, if I wanted to, I could buy a plane ticket now and spend the next ten days in Miami alone and no one would be upset with me for planning it without them, not inviting them, etc. That's what I mean when I say "free." How many coupled people could up and go like that without their significant other being hurt by it?

It sounds to me like independence to you is tied up with money. But from reading through more posts, it also seems to me that you are operating from a fear of actually having to care for someone Both are pretty sad.
 
Okay so let's talk about this properly. If you mean settle down as in get into a relationship with a guy, and it be monogamous. Then there's guys that already do that. If you're wondering why there isn't as many guys partnered together, well, there's other things there such as compatibility. From what movie they like, to their pet peeves, to the vibes they get from the guy. There's many reasons why.

If you're talking about the general sense of why, here's what i think. There's this annoyingly large amount of guys that just look for "MASC4MASC", "no FEMS","none over 30" or "no azn." Isn't it a little absurd? There's this anti fem thing that is just absurd. The way boys are raised doesn't really make sense. Guys are expected to be indifferent and be clueless about feelings, or reject them if they have any. Or "think straight." Obviously, you've got to use common sense, with anything or anyone you're dealing with. What is there to be proud of with insensitivity or being just plain clueless? What's even sadder is that it has become basically an archetype of what masculinity is about or to expect from it.

You know what i'm looking for? A gay man. A guy who is comfortable with his feelings, has a good tongue for food, and is sensible as well as intelligent. Maybe some days he feels like belting out some "Queen of the Night" while building a cabinet. Then in the evening he treats me for dinner at some restaurant i feel i gotta get dressed up for, because you wanna look good when you go to Lips [you go for dinner and drag queens put on a show]. Isn't it important to be gay and embrace who you are and what you love?

Carrying on. There is also the issue of fear. Fear of the affection they give to a guy not being reciprocated. Well, that's a human reaction. There's just this vicious cycle of gays not properly learning about what a relationship is because the whole society is being force fed the manufactured version. Why can't a relationship be what you make of it? Why does it have to be, these are the things that he's gotta be doing OR ELSE he's not really into you. The ignorance is what screws people up. The fear that a guy is going to screw you over or the expectation that he's going to be over you real soon is what makes guys try to "pull one over" on each other. What's with the games? Guys trying to see how much the other guy really likes him, and when he finds out he kinda pretends that he's not too into him. Because of course, you should never let on that you really like a guy--that's so not hot. Then, to promote that idea so that the guy chases him, he pretends as if there's just a harem of guys he could choose from. Even if you have a harem of guys to choose from, why play the game?

So many guys lose potentially great guys because of this bullshit. Guess what else contributes to this? The fact that we lost a bunch of Gay Power we had back in the 70s. There was unity back then. Today, there's a lot of, "i couldn't care less." Back then, it wasn't always safe to be gay, so those who were out or were aware of others who were gay, took them in. Some gave them a place to stay, a place to hangout, and discover other gays. Why? Because you should always gay it forward and welcome new members of the community.

I'm tired of snobby gays. I'm tired of scene queens and club kids that size you up and give you a death glare if theyre not into you. Or if they just see you. What happened to smiling at someone and just hangin out? This is why i don't go to gay clubs. I don't think that way. I don't think, is this a guy i can pick up? When i go to a club, i wanna dance, i want to have actual fun, i don't want to cruise. I don't expect it to be kumbaya, but i'm looking for camaraderie in the community i feel like i belong to.

Wonderfully said! ..|

Howard Roark, is that you?
Methinks "NaughtyArousal" dosed The Fountainhead koolade a bit too strong as a teen!

OMG that fits!
 
Relationships do not hinder "Freedom"



They hinder, depending on the relationship, behavior.


Freedom comes from the German word "Friede" which means peace.


Freedom is a state of mind. If you cannot find peace, find freedom, that is your fault. Not your wife's fault, not your boyfriend's fault, and certainly not anyone else's.


Men behind bars for the rest of their lives can find freedom that people dream about. If they can do it, so can everyone else in this thread with a significant other.
 
Alright, so I've gotten flack for saying the things I have while I've never experienced a relationship, so I don't "really know." I get that.

Yesterday was yet another time where a friend I hasn't seen in a while asked me if I'm dating anyone. I kindly explained to him that I have never will never date anyone (simply because I'm tired of the question coming up and the expectancy that it's something that will eventually change).

He said to me that as many things that he loves about his girlfriend, etc., that I should enjoy my freedom in being single. His words, not mine, with no goading from me. He said it, outright. "Freedom." And he is in a relationship. And I've heard things like this before. And it's never said in such a way to suggest that the coupled person feels trapped, just simply that there are certain things that they cannot enjoy anymore once they settle down with another, or basically that there is compromise when two people join. That's what I talk about when I mention loss of freedom.

Anders, I reread your earlier post. I guess what you are saying about non-monogamous relationships and such, but I doubt that's the kind of thing the OP refers to when he references "settling down." And to me, I wonder if an open relationship would just feel like "friends with benefits."

I've had friends who've said that being married made them so much more free, and I can see that. I roomed with some friends in college, and it was very freeing. I didn't have to do all the household chores myself, so I had more time to do things. I could take off on crazy trips and know exactly who to leave a trip plan with. If I wore myself out doing something or got hurt and couldn't take care of my share of the chores, I knew they'd get done anyway and we'd work it out later.

There's more than that, but it comes down to this: a relationship can give you more freedom, so dissing them because you think you'll lose freedom is silly.
 
I don't see why this is so confusing. NA just strikes me as someone who insists on charting his own course, and isn't interested in changing that for anybody. Maybe someone wants to tag along for some or all of it, and maybe NA will be up for that if that person doesn't slow him down or attempt to steer. He's not interest in compromise or intertwining his life into somebody else's. He values his freedom and individuality above everything else, and isn't interested in exchanging part of those for a "relationship". I don't think that makes him a bad person. It just makes him a bad person for someone like me to get interested in getting into a serious relationship with.

Lex
 
And I'm well aware on how much he insists on showing his side of it when he bumps a thread just because an IRL friend validated his side of it. Him bumping the thread with that alone should show anyone that he is not in the thread to just share his side, he wants to be right.

....and?

Lex
 
New to the internet, I take it. :)

Seriously, a discussion certainly can be that. It can be a chance to argue your points, and maybe revise your stances based on new data and other viewpoints. Or sometimes, it can just be a chance to talk. If you've ever been on a sports messageboard, every time a certain player has a great game, any thread devoted to him gets pulled out of the mothballs by his biggest fan, to say how amazing this guy is. And if he has a lousy one, maybe one of his haters will resurrect the thread to say how much he sucks. It's doubtful any of those posts change anybody's minds, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to post them.

Lex
 
I can get weary of several of the dances, too, but I've never found complaining about them to slow them down any. :) But I guess I've hijacked its thread enough from its original threadjacking. I'll cede the floor back to the...whatever it was people were discussing.

Lex
 
No, we're the Grindr culture. The most common complaint I think I see on Empty Closets is (if I might distill it down) "I'm looking for a boyfriend, but everybody only seems interested in fucking". Nobody seems to have any trouble finding somebody to get their rocks off with, but a lot more people seem to have problems finding somebody interested in dating.

Lex
 
I think the number of gay people looking for a quick fuck is only exceeded by the number of gay people who complain about not being able to find someone with the ability to form a relationship. Almost everybody enjoys it when a good thing gets better. Almost everybody enjoys it when a good thing lasts.

Somehow we have to get those people together.
 
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