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Why I stopped being a Right-Winger...

So, Fumento isn't feeling the love anymore and has decided to take his ball and go home. My sense of the article is that he's more concerned about being irrelevant than anything else. He fails to note that this very kind of discourse goes on on both sides, not just among his old pals. He never even bothers to ask why. The answer is because it works.

We all at least claim to hate negative ads. Yet we see more every year. Why? Because they are effective. If they weren't they'd never get produced.

People who claimed to be conservative have been entrusted with the reigns of government previously. Did they reduce the size and scope of the Federal government forcing it to live within the confines of the Constitution? Or did they decide to grow government and use it to legislate morality?

One side is running towards Statism. The other is walking towards it.
 
Examples of any kind?

Sure.Scroll down to posts 30 and 33. Newsweek saying ANN Romney is like Hitler and Stalin. Sharpton saying Republicans want to wipe out innocent people like Hitler 's Germany.
 
Examples of any kind?

Honestly I find it interesting that, like children, some are quick to point this out. "But the other sides do it too!" "Nu-hu!" :lol:

MSNBC and many of their talking heads have been pointed out as being the "partisan" culprits in this debate, and that they're the reason why things are so vile in our political discourse.

Makes me wonder if they actually read the article.

From the quoted article:

All of today’s right-wing darlings got there by mastering what Burke feared most: screaming “J’accuse! J’accuse!” Turning people against each other. Taking seeds of fear, anger and hatred and planting them to grow a new crop.

FOX NEWS anyone? How about Talk Radio, home of many of the FOX NEWS Commentators, and others far more extreme in their views that would be acceptable for a prime time Television Audience.

Each of them touting the "conservative" banner.

I agree with the article, they're not "conservatives." It use to be within the Republican Party that there were "fiscal conservatives" (aka moderates), and "social conservatives" the so called "Religious Right."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." ~Sinclair Lewis 1935

Somehow they seem to have married (pardon the pun) the two, and now we have this mish mash of Tea Party, Social/Fiscal Conservative, less is more so long as we're giving it the rich sort of ideology while wrapping themselves in the American flag, and thumping their Bibles.

And the complete and utter lack of veracity in which they go about it is what I find most appalling and offensive.

Political Discourse in here in America has turned into a spectacle. Who doesn't slow down to witness the horrific traffic accident on the side of the road with all of the wreckage and carnage in full view?

And it's the so called "conservatives" who've been fanning the flames of discontent, and giving us that spectacle with the media either "reporting" on the event without one bit of regard for any journalistic integrity, or worse presenting themselves as "fair and balanced," while pushing their own agenda.

What's more outrageous to me, more offensive to me than what both sides are yelling at each other is that for many they think that this is "good" for our Democracy.

But nothing could be further from the truth, and good and honest Americans have bought into this hook line and sinker.

I've read many articles that Micheal Fumento has written and to quote his response to the "controversy" created by this article which originally appeared in Salon.com:

That said, it's true I haven't appeared in those vaunted pages in seven years. That's when the rabid right took over. If you couldn't work in some nasty gratuitous attack on the left, they didn't want you.

And why should they? Why would the "rabid right" continue to embrace some that the "New Right" hates because a journalist now longer supports their narrative?
 
Yeah, I've been reading a lot of left wing stuff, and I seriously fail to see the resemblance. True, they attack the right. That's normal - two opposing ideologies will always attack each other. But the attacks from the left deal with issues that sound plausible to me, real life politics, near-criminal activity, lies and hypocrisy. The attacks from the right accuse Obama of wanting a Fascist Socialist Dictatorship.

I mean, dafuq? What the left accuses the right of, is either provable, or plausible. What the right accuses the left of, is directly IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE in a modern world. And any sane person (as we have to assume most politicians on the top are) would know that and wouldn't pursue such absurdist goals.

Why do people keep buying this crap?

Nan was right, when she said she had scientific proof that yes, humans are that stupid.
 
Examples of any kind?

You aren't serious? Are you really unaware, or just playing?
(1) Palin Derangement Syndrome: The Left’s obsessive hatred of Sarah Palin is well-chronicled and is often accompanied by violent rhetoric. Let these three examples suffice: (1) Keith Halloran, a New Hampshire Democratic candidate, said on a Facebook thread that he wished Palin had been aboard the Alaska plane that crashed, killing five including Sen. Ted Stevens; (2) Another New Hampshire Democrat, Timothy Horrigan resigned from the state legislature after writing this gem on Facebook: "Well a dead Palin wd be even more dangerous than a live one . . .* she is all about her myth & if she was dead she cldn't commit any more gaffes"; and (3) foul-mouthed comedian Sandra Bernhard warned Palin she would be "gang-raped by my big black brothers" if she tried coming to New York.

(2) Obama packing heat: Barack Obama has repeatedly sprinkled his political campaigning with words more appropriate to a street thug than the President of the United States. During his 2008 campaign he said in June, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” and in September, “I want you to go out and talk to your neighbors. . . . I want you to argue with them, get in their faces.” He kept it up during the recent midterm election with this comment: “If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends . . . .”

(3) Courtland Milloy’s spit wish: Washington Post columnist Courtland Milloy said that after the health care vote he wanted to spit on and assault Tea Party members: “I know how the ‘tea party’ people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their ‘Obama Plan White Slavery’ signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads.”

(4) Krugman’s flip flop: New York Times columnist Paul Krugman was first out of the box connecting the Arizona shooting to Right-wing speech that created a climate of hate, intoning, “the purveyors of hate have been treated with respect, even deference, by the GOP establishment.” He must have forgotten his own words in December 2009 during the health care debate when he wrote, “A message to progressives: By all means, hang Senator Joe Lieberman in effigy.”

(5) Bush Derangement Syndrome: Before it fades into history, the liberal hatred of President Bush should be recalled. Codepink, Michael Moore, rap stars and Hollywood comedians hurled vitriol against the President. A movie was made about his assassination. But as an example of violent rhetoric, special attention should be given to remarks made by New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi, who later apologized for describing fellow Democrat Sen. Charles Schumer as "the man who, how do I phrase this diplomatically, who will put a bullet between the President's eyes if he could get away with it."

(6) Daily Kos’ hypocrisy: Markos Moulitsas, of the liberal Daily Kos, was also quick to indict the Right for the Arizona tragedy, tweeting that Sarah Palin had “accomplished her mission,” a reference to her midterm elections bulls-eye target of politicians that included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. However, his Daily Kos website blog also included Gifford's district on a list of congressional districts "bulls-eyed" for primary challenges. And just last week, the website included a post declaring that Giffords was “dead to him” after she voted against Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the House.

(7) Exterminate Republicans: This is what passes for a theater review in the Village Voice: Michale Feingold, while reviewing the play "King Cowboy Rufus Rules the Universe," wrote: "Republicans don't believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don't give a hoot about human beings, either can't or won't. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm."

(8) Hang Drudge: Liberal talk radio host Mike Malloy suggested stringing up Internet king Matt Drudge, saying, "Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about 6 feet in the air and watch him bounce.”

(9) Outright assaults: Sometimes the hatred on the Left exceeds talk and escalates to violent assaults. Cases in point: In August 2009, members of the Service Employees International Union beat up Kenneth Gladney for distributing "Don't Tread On Me" flags at a Missouri town hall meeting. In June 2010, Nathan Tabor was punched in the face by a Democrat during a Tea Party protest in North Carolina. Last October, Human Events reporter Emily Miller was physically assaulted while interviewing Rep. Charlie Rangel during the “One Nation Working Together” rally at the National Mall in Washington.

(10) Greenpeace "knows where you live": Greenpeace advocated mass civil disobedience last April with this blog item on its website:“The proper channels have failed. It's time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism. . . . If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically elected governments into submission, then hear this: We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.”


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41108
 
It continues to be true that most Republican criticism of Obama relates to his policies. Democrat attacks tend to be personal. Why do Dems hate Sarah Palin so much? Ann Romney? The Tea Party is primarily concerned with our exploding debt. Dems disagree but why the personal hatred?
 
^ because it's just so "funny"

it's "clever"

mocking your opponent/enemy means you're better than them

they as individuals, not just their ideas are worthy of scorn

my sense is with cable tv access 24/7 and the internet, somehow the personal destruction is less personal - it's like texting something - much easier and somehow less responsibility is given to it

i completely agree

george will
charles krauthammer
william kristol
etc.

they hammer at obama's decisions, etc. - not his person

conservative talking heads are much more civilized in their discourse - which of course is not the same as being right
 
Good examples. With a few exceptions - FAR behind even what's considered "mild" by the Tea Party these days...

now that's an epic fail

Jack lists many (10) that are anything but "mild"

and your response is this? jeez

get to work
 
The point isn't that both sides do it so much as it is about Fumento's castigating one side over the other for doing it. Is there a certain legitimate amount of concern about the loss of our freedoms being expressed? Yes, the president has a list of people he wants to kill without benefit of any due process whatsoever. He's ordered an American citizen murdered and won't even discuss the process by which such a decision is made. He's signed a bill allowing indeterminate incarceration of American citizens anywhere in the world he sees fit without benefit of their Constitutionally guaranteed due process. Yes, this ability has existed previously. Our collective failure to complain about something of which many of us where unaware does not preclude us from doing so once we become aware of it.

Outrage is completely justified when you screw with our freedoms. Of course Fumento no longer lives in the US, so that really isn't his concern, is it?
 
It continues to be true that most Republican criticism of Obama relates to his policies. Democrat attacks tend to be personal. Why do Dems hate Sarah Palin so much? Ann Romney? The Tea Party is primarily concerned with our exploding debt. Dems disagree but why the personal hatred?

Personal attacks hardly seem to be restricted to any one side (both sides resort to this), but it 'stings' more when a barb is directed at someone on your team.
 
Personal attacks hardly seem to be restricted to any one side (both sides resort to this), but it 'stings' more when a barb is directed at someone on your team.

Exactly. There's plenty of personal jabs coming from the right wing. Didn't their leader call someone a whore lately? Thought I heard someone call the President a communist / socialist and much worse.
 
The media is way slanted

Only those with the slant can't/won't see it

It's very hip to denigrate republicans or conservatives

and the shame is that on the REAL issues they deserve to be called out on - gay rights for one - becomes background noise

Liberal partisans are their own worst enemy as they turn off reasonable folks who prefer civility

Ann Romney = Hitler ? Newsweek ?

oh ok...is that all you got? Seriously? is that all you got? HAHAHAAAAAA

To believe liberal rhetoric is on par with conservative hate speech is the sign of a delusional republican ideology.

What is delusion? Something you create in your head, something you honestly believe.

I dont remember liberals questioning Bush's birth certificate or denying climate change for partisan purposes, yet the radicals on the right continue to say the same dumb shit over and over.

Why do they do this? Because if people become rational enough, they will know its lies.

Republicans continually victimize the intelligence of their voters, that is how the tea-party sprung up and became so dangerous to our domestic security.

Its this anti-american self-deluded ideology that has far reaching consequences, but all you are worried about is crying wolf how the big bad 'liberal conspiracy' is uncivil when you dont see a left wing equivalent to the militant hostage taking tea-party? Give me a break. ..|

IF anyone here believes the batshit coming out of red America that Obama isnt a citizen, that climate change isnt real, how can we believe anything else you say isnt also a lie?

Boehner said he was "done holding people hostage". He is just confirming what we already knew about these traitors in congress.
 
Guys, take it easy. I'm the bad boy. Why put up something to have it disappear. You haven't started swinging.
 
It continues to be true that most Republican criticism of Obama relates to his policies. Democrat attacks tend to be personal. Why do Dems hate Sarah Palin so much? Ann Romney? The Tea Party is primarily concerned with our exploding debt. Dems disagree but why the personal hatred?

They both belong in jail. Sarah Palin with her famous 'crosshairs' ad that got Rep. Giffords nearly killed and Ann Romney $990 'hard work' blouse and a 'couple of Cadillacs' she bought herself with her husbands 'smash and grab captialism' money.

Excuse me if you think these are personal attacks, but they are just examples of the right wing extremism in this country.

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