Why The Dems Lost..How I See It..

[Edward Twinkletoes]

Hm.

Let me tell you about Proposition 8, DADT, DOMA...

Let me see if I have this right. You think those things are bad and you want to give Big Brother the keys to the entire healthcare system and the authority to demand that you buy into it? Do you honestly NOT see how this could particularly be a problem for gays?

Here's a clue (because I don't think you have one). If Big Brother runs healthcare, he can run your entire life. And that includes your sex life, what you eat, whether or not you exercise, how much you weigh, what vitamins and supplements you can take. Basically, there is no corner of your life they can't reach with this bill as a starting point. If the insurers have to do business with you, they own you. They can't turn you down but you can't turn them down either.

They can say your lifestyle makes you high risk and they can blubber to all the other good little socialists that you will be taking more than your fair share if you get sick and end up needing costly medical care. People who have money in this society have the law on their side for the simple reason that they can afford better lawyers and better lobbyists than you can. If you think for one second that a greedy insurance company won't find a way to chain your ass to a concrete wall with this legislation you'd better think again.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Let me see if I have this right. You think those things are bad and you want to give Big Brother the keys to the entire healthcare system and the authority to demand that you buy into it? Do you honestly NOT see how this could particularly be a problem for gays?

Here's a clue (because I don't think you have one). If Big Brother runs healthcare, he can run your entire life. And that includes your sex life, what you eat, whether or not you exercise, how much you weigh, what vitamins and supplements you can take. Basically, there is no corner of your life they can't reach with this bill as a starting point. If the insurers have to do business with you, they own you. They can't turn you down but you can't turn them down either.

They can say your lifestyle makes you high risk and they can blubber to all the other good little socialists that you will be taking more than your fair share if you get sick and end up needing costly medical care. People who have money in this society have the law on their side for the simple reason that they can afford better lawyers and better lobbyists than you can. If you think for one second that a greedy insurance company won't find a way to chain your ass to a concrete wall with this legislation you'd better think again.

OH dear.

Someone forgot their Lithium.

 

[CUMMINGS]

I, for one, can't WAIT for Boehner and his gang to get in and start doing their thing. BTW, you did not get a mandate this time around, you just happened to not be Democrats, so be careful on being so smug on your "victory."

The party of "No" will spend the next two years trying to undo all the things President Obama has done. They will try to repeal Health Care and Financial Reform, but it won't get past the Senate. Time will spent, Mr PermaTan.

Mr Obama may not be perfect, but it takes more than two years to undo all the damage of the wandering idiot that was GW Bush. No, I don't want to have a beer with him.

Yes, let's make all the Bush tax cuts permanent, as TeaBags and Repubs want (it is appropriate during a recession to temporarily extend them, though). Hey, we are only on the hook to the Central Bank of China for 3/4 of a Trillion, and they hold only 20% of all our foreign debt. Let's make all the Bush tax cuts permanent, or as the CBC says "We totally got your covered - let's call it an even Trillion, pay us when you can."

Hopefully, the TeaBaggers will strong-arm the rest of the Republican party and nominate Sarah Palin as the Republican nominee in 2012 (a guy can dream, can't he?). It will hand Mr Obama an easy victory in 2012.

 

[evanrick]

well even in the biggest republican wave of the decade, Washington state is still solidly in democrats hands.

As Americans in historic numbers turned away from the extremist liberal policies of the current Democratic leadership, the West Coast embraced them. California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state stood firmly behind some of the most liberal politicians in the country, including Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, Jerry Brown, Nancy Pelosi, Pete Stark, and Patty Murray, while rejecting every opportunity to change course

voters here know better than to turn their fortunes to a party filled with hatemongers. we have more important things to worry about other than who our neighbors are marrying.

voters have been polled numerous times and they were actually expecting more liberal policies and more change from the democrats, and when democrats couldn't deliver things many many people wanted they decided to punish them.

its not because Americans endorse republican ideas, because they have none, its because you could say democrats didn't use their power as effectively as they could have.

but i have been saying for a long time democrats need to start standing their ground, obama is and was being hammered for trying to compromise with the GOP.

it was the biggest mistake he made so far.

 

[Knucklehead]

Absolutely not. If they got sick of waiting for it, then why the hell would they vote the democrats out in such big numbers? It makes NO sense whatsoever. .

No.What makes ''NO SENSE'' is your belief that this election was a majority of ''ex'' Democrats ,who decided that the Democratic leaders aren't moving ''fast enough''and decided to abandon those long held beliefs and vote for candidates with sworn, vehement oppostion to them.THAT'S what doesn't make sense..
I believe,and I think the numbers will back me up,are that people simply lost interest.I think the compounded trauma of the Bush 2000 fiasco,the republican redistricting gerrymandering of Tom Delay fame,and then,the IMPOTENT Obama administration,have made a lot of Democratic voters think ''why bother?''

I refuse to believe that democrats voted for republicans.I think they just stayed home. People don't change like that. If you think they do,please post a salacious tale about the last time time you ate pussy. Give me a cookie..

If voters were that pissed off about Obama's agenda not getting completed (which they weren't, it was the opposite, in fact), they would have swept the democrats into even BIGGER majorities. .

See above..

Drop the bullshit. Your history doesn't entitle you to behave like an asshole and think your opinion is more valuable then someone else's. .

For starters,it's not bullshit..I think everyones experiences are valid to the things they are talking about..BUT,what they say can turn the tide one way or the other.For me, I place great value on what yuppies call ''life experiences''.

If your an infantryman,I figure you know how to deal with killing people and making that ok with you in a way that makes it ok for you to sleep.If your a cop, you know who needs to be taken into custody and who can walk after a ''talking to''.Truckers know how long it takes to get a truckload of lettuce from California to The Bronx.Hookers know how long it takes to suck the average dick till orgasm.Crack dealers can rest assured their customers will return in a few hours.And so on..

College Boys like you on the hand operate on theory and an inflated air of self importance.Most of you'se ,and I believe you mentioned it yourself,live at home.We'll assume you're young and not just leaching on your poor mother.Likewise, since you're young, you have limited real world experience.Maybe I'm wrong.Are you past your mid twenties? Do you NOT live with your mother? Do you own a car? Have you ever worked a 16 hour day in a factory?Do you have a full time job that you pay all your expenses on without asking Ma to leave a $20-- bill on the table to cover you till payday..What if your Ma is dead? Mine is..

This is what I mean by ''life experiences''..I respect ,admire and encourage any young person to persue a higher education..I wish I could have.I am however thankful that I was able to spend most of my childhood with the Jesuits and kindly Nuns who devoted themselves to the education of Catholic youth.Nonetheless,a higher education doesn't give you a perch to look down your nose at other people.Especially when you don't have a pot to piss in..You gotta put in your time on the job and in life before you get to tell people what time of day it is..In the meantime, I'll respect you only as much as you signal you should be taken seriously..Maybe in a few years, you'll be an interesting guy that knows what the fuck he's talking about..But for now, I think you're just a smart assed kid that doesn't' get laid enough..That's a real shame too.When I was in my twenties,I got laid like it was my job..

The bolded part right there is why I don't care about anything you have to offer. You're a blind partisan hack that thinks he knows better than anyone else, and you're so blinded by your own ignorance that your opinion is about as useful as a steaming pile of dog shit. .

See above..

The democrats would have still lost, because the independents abandoned them. (because they didn't want the democrat's agenda).

Independents are just that..Independent..Free of party allegiance.They didn't abandon nor support any party..They also didn't buy into GOP bullshit this year either..They we're busy making cute signs to show how cool they were at Jon Stewart's rally,

 

[Piquechampion]

The Dems lost because the stupid youth voters (18-29) didn't show up to vote.

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/elections2010/2010/11/04/low-youth-voter-turnout-hurts-democrats/

After turning out in droves in 2008, making up 18 percent of the electorate then – and actually outvoting the 65+ club – the 18-to-29-year-old demographic gave a much weaker showing of 11 percent yesterday.

 

[JB3]

No.What makes ''NO SENSE'' is your belief that this election was a majority of ''ex'' Democrats ,who decided that the Democratic leaders aren't moving ''fast enough''and decided to abandon those long held beliefs and vote for candidates with sworn, vehement oppostion to them.THAT'S what doesn't make sense..
I believe,and I think the numbers will back me up,are that people simply lost interest.I think the compounded trauma of the Bush 2000 fiasco,the republican redistricting gerrymandering of Tom Delay fame,and then,the IMPOTENT Obama administration,have made a lot of Democratic voters think ''why bother?''

I refuse to believe that democrats voted for republicans.I think they just stayed home. People don't change like that. If you think they do,please post a salacious tale about the last time time you ate pussy. Give me a cookie..

Where did you get the idea that I was saying that democrats voted for republicans? I fully believe many of them stayed home. You are contending, however, that that was the reason they lost. It isn't.

The reason they lost is because independents, which voted in heavy numbers for Obama in 2008, turned against him in record numbers. They don't like his agenda, and don't like the direction him and the congressional democrats have pointed the country in.

Independents are just that..Independent..Free of party allegiance.They didn't abandon nor support any party..They also didn't buy into GOP bullshit this year either..They we're busy making cute signs to show how cool they were at Jon Stewart's rally,

In elections they have to support a party. That's why they vote.

In 2008 they voted overwhelmingly for Obama. In 2010, they overwhelmingly voted for the Republicans. So yes, they won the election for the republicans, just like they won it for the democrats.

 

[Knucklehead]

Where did you get the idea that I was saying that democrats voted for republicans? I fully believe many of them stayed home. You are contending, however, that that was the reason they lost. It isn't.

The reason they lost is because independents, which voted in heavy numbers for Obama in 2008, turned against him in record numbers. They don't like his agenda, and don't like the direction him and the congressional democrats have pointed the country in.



In elections they have to support a party. That's why they vote.

In 2008 they voted overwhelmingly for Obama. In 2010, they overwhelmingly voted for the Republicans. So yes, they won the election for the republicans, just like they won it for the democrats.

Sorry Charlie,but I gotta see data to believe that..

In the meantime and between time, I figure the republican voters, activated by years of talk radio, a right wing media and direct mailing, were very motivated to vote..

Democrats,assaulted day and night with all manner of polls forcasting a bloodbath, sat it out...Not to mention, most people,bar old people and political savants like CE&P posters, rarely, if ever, vote in mid terms anyways...

As I said,the dems sat it out, the independents thought they both were a joke and the republicans camped out overnight to vote..

 

[palemale]

Had unemployment dropped below 8%, the Dems would not have suffered such large losses. It's really that simple.

What people most object to about Health Care Reform is the manner in which it was passed. Most of the individual pieces of the legislation have a lot of support. People also object to the (mistaken) belief that it will increase the deficit.

The voters are often irrational, especially independents. There was a study not too long ago that showed that, for the most part, independents are less well informed about politics and current events than members of a political party. So here, people voted the Republicans in even though they are the least popular party and a majority of voters, even those who voted Republican, believe the Republicans will disappoint them.

 

[fasteddy]

To be honest, this election was a bit of a wash, really.

Even with hundreds of millions of dollars, a huge campaign of lies and stupidity, Republicans only managed to eek out a half-victory and to do that, they needed to suck up to the most loony of loonies.

4 days into their "victory" and they're already gearing up for a civil war. They were all proud with their "NO COMPROMISE" thing. But they're going to have to compromise with people in their own party.

Gonna suck.

Talk about living in denial. The largest swing in the house in over 60 years is hardly a wash. By the way, they were outspent by the dems by over 200 million dollars so using your logic this was a tidal wave of change. The senate was never seriously in play so calling the loss of 61 seats in the house is hardly half a victory but if it makes your destroyed belief structure feel better go ahead and live in your fantasy land.

 

[fasteddy]

Had unemployment dropped below 8%, the Dems would not have suffered such large losses. It's really that simple.

What people most object to about Health Care Reform is the manner in which it was passed. Most of the individual pieces of the legislation have a lot of support. People also object to the (mistaken) belief that it will increase the deficit.

The voters are often irrational, especially independents. There was a study not too long ago that showed that, for the most part, independents are less well informed about politics and current events than members of a political party. So here, people voted the Republicans in even though they are the least popular party and a majority of voters, even those who voted Republican, believe the Republicans will disappoint them.

I'm in shock, I found something to agree with here, that the voters are irrational, fuck they elected Il Duce didn't they.

 

[palemale]

I'm in shock, I found something to agree with here, that the voters are irrational, fuck they elected Il Duce didn't they.

I thought you Republicans wanted us to stop talking about the Bush administration, didn't you?

 

[Kulindahr]

Bullshit. If they had been upset about that, they would have STRENGTHENED the dem majority so they could add that in. Instead they, voted them out in the body where the bill has to start.

When someone is hurting you, do you say, "More!"?

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[Kulindahr]

When I was a kid,there was a popular kids doll/action figure named ''Action Jackson''.Obama,he' a NO ACTION JACKSON..What's he doing RIGHT now? Where is he? He fled the country and went to India to grovel before them, to ask them to consider putting their self interests to the side,to waste time,and money in a fruitless attempt to get us to compete with third world workers..This is what he offers us? Why doesn't he have the sack to tackle the enormous trade deficit with COMMUNIST China?? I guess he'd be real smart to not offend our realmaster.Nah,get on them Indians instead..Fucking coward..

That's economic ignorance talking.

India is at the point where they're going to be able to start buying from us -- a lot. And there are a lot more of them to buy things from us than of us to buy things from them. So Obama's over there working on friendship and a bunch of billions of dollars of stuff they'll buy from us.

Of course the next step is to get our manufacturing sector back -- those jobs that are a lot more than minimum, and actually turn out products that can be sent to places (like India) where people send money back. The U.S. has lost more than ten million manufacturing jobs since I finished school at OSU, which in the conservative side is over $200,000,000/hr in wages....

Further, if things go well with India, it will "tackle the enormous trade deficit with COMMUNIST China" -- because one big advantage of India is that it is for the most part an English-speaking market, where English-speaking people would rather do business.

Just today I saw the useless.lying cunt Nancy Pelosi on TV talking about how she ''has no regrets.'' She cab go fuck herself..I got a lot of fucking regrets when it comes to them Quislings..I don't know how much more of this batterd relationship I can take from the Democratic Party..I feel like Charlie Brown ,with Lucy always pulling the football way..

In Pelosi's defense, she has good reason for saying "no regrets". She delivered -- and delivered, and delivered, and when the delivery van arrived at the Senate they laughed and left it parked, unloaded.

As Senator Wyden pointed out the other evening here at a town hall meeting, Obama could use a serious dose of Ronald Reagan; for all his faults, Reagan knew how to sit down with the other side and get things done -- and Wyden related some things where "the other side" was about all Reagan did sit down with, because his own party walked out (specifically, the massive reduction in corporate and executive tax loopholes). It wasn't any "Can't we get along?" BS, either, but a hard-bargaining "I don't need you, but let's work together because it's right" approach.

Of course now Obama can't do it that way, even if he had the balls; he and the Senate blew his chance to employ a Reagan model. Now, again stealing from Senator Wyden, Obama needs to tough up and be a Clinton.

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

^ Getting things done is what got us into this mess in the first place. We need to get things undone. We elected these people to get in Obama's face. Not sit down and smoke a peace pipe with him.

 

[01solara]

The Democrats, as the eunich in the White House reminded us,took a ''shellacking.'(who talks like this?) Why were they beat down? I don't think it was as right wing media reports- because American voters were at odds with a ''far left agenda.'' If you recall,the Dems won the Senate and the House in '06,and of course the White House in '08.After that it was all downhill..

Keep thinking like this, please. It is thinking like this that will lead to the Democrats becoming the minority party they deserve to be. We are not now and have never been a far left nation. We aren't a far right nation either but tend to be a little bit right of center. Between now and 12 we will have ethics trials for both Rangel and Waters. I hope all their nasty corrupt deeds come back to haunt them. It would be nice to see both of them out.It is especially sweet to see Obama's old seat filled by a Republican. You kept the senate but enough of the races were super close that it could have easily turned the other way.

I don't believe we will be able to repeal healthcare legislation but if it gets through the house and over to the senate the senators that don't allow it to come up for a vote or vote against it could easily be voted out of office in 12. Things didn't go so well for a lot of the folks that voted in favor of Obama care. When this huge, overcomplicated payoff to the big insurance companies fails and it will, the name of the program will be "Obama" care. When the huge tax increases required to fund it cost more money out of ordinary American's pockets the name attached to it will be "Obama". Do you really think that the Dems can run away from him hard enough to not be associated with it.

Many Dems did everything in their power to disassociate themselves from him for the midterms and that didn't work so well. We had to bear the burden of our Bush and now you have to bear the burden of your "Obama" neither are going to be that popular in the near future. Obama's poll numbers are in the cellar and will remain so. What do you think he will do different to change that? He has already said he is fine with being a one term president. This indicates he is not going to change a thing and that is the best thing that could ever happens for Republicans.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

^ Getting things done is what got us into this mess in the first place. We need to get things undone. We elected these people to get in Obama's face. Not sit down and smoke a peace pipe with him.

Why is it that every time I make the mistake of reading your posts I picture Veruca Salt singing "I want it now" as she runs around the golden goose chocolate egg room?

 

[Kulindahr]

You're whining because they don't want gay people to get married? That's a fucking luxury, dude. You can wait 10 years to marry someone. This bill undermines freedom in so many ways you won't have to worry about marrying someone because they will legislate your right to even exist out of existence with legislation like this.

Um... what bill???

 

[JayHawk]

I'm aware of that. But she came damn close to winning and MANY of the "under no circumstances" people did, in fact, win

She came close to winning much more as a reflection of the ineptitude of Harry Reid and the pitiful state of Nevada rather than any T-Party idea.

What I really think it was about was marketing.

Obama did SO much but barely told anyone about it. He just quietly did his thing. And in this world, you have to be a press whore to get noticed.

So sadly... The Republicans are REALLY good at sound bytes. So that's who people paid attention to.

He has accomplished a lot that Dems have wanted to do and many things that make sense to do .... unfortunately he was suppose to restore the jobs and economy not go on a spending spree. No matter how you stack it people who cant afford food are angry at a President who is spending money we dont have trying to make up for 20 years of democratic ineptitude in two years.

I like a lot of Obama's initiatives.... too bad that who ever was Caesar for the last two years would have appeared to fiddle.

For those of you who doubt that obama has accomplished a single decent thing have a look >>> http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

Again,''the people'' at least the majority of those that voted did support what candidate Obama proposed.


Amazing, isn't it?

What is amazing is once again the Democrats have lost a strategic battle... the Republican control will redraw the lines to ensure their superiority for years to come.

Much of what you posted originally was spot on. This country will never be a manufacturing state ever again unless we forgo being a wealthy powerful nation to produce rice and plastic goods for China.... Which is ridiculous as China will implode over the next 20 with socio-economic issues that will make our look like a video game.

The democrats lost because the swing vote feels the way you do in some ways. Remember when i said it is a good thing Obama won because whomever is President will be crushed over the next few years....

Anyways.... these are things i think at the poker table in my living room.... if you can type all you did at a red light then ya'll need quicker lights....

 

[Kulindahr]

If Big Brother runs healthcare, he can run your entire life. And that includes your sex life, what you eat, whether or not you exercise, how much you weigh, what vitamins and supplements you can take. Basically, there is no corner of your life they can't reach with this bill as a starting point. If the insurers have to do business with you, they own you. They can't turn you down but you can't turn them down either.

They can say your lifestyle makes you high risk and they can blubber to all the other good little socialists that you will be taking more than your fair share if you get sick and end up needing costly medical care. People who have money in this society have the law on their side for the simple reason that they can afford better lawyers and better lobbyists than you can. If you think for one second that a greedy insurance company won't find a way to chain your ass to a concrete wall with this legislation you'd better think again.

This is spot on: if this scheme is judged constitutional, there's no limit at all to government authority.

Except for one thing: the insurance companies aren't the ones to be worried about. If this is constitutional, then the next step, as you say, is restricting things people can do, for the sake of their health. Of course since this is now government, penalties will be in the form of fines.

Fast forward to 2020, with an anti-gay Republican in the White House. She instructs the HHS to adhere to a presidential "finding" she just wrote that asserts that anal sex is detrimental to the immune system -- and anyone engaging in anal sex is to be fined... heavily.