Why would someone want be be POZZED??

[HoustonTroy]

Ok first of all thanks for reading, I am really interested in all opinions.

Recently i have been seeing a lot of posts and blogs where neg bottoms want to be POZZEd. Want to be infected, I have seen these on craigslist and manhunt and the such, the neg bottoms are usually very young, 18 or 19 looking to be pozzed. Which i believed is to be HIV infected.

Now these ads are very different from the ones that state LOOKING FOR FUN AND POZ FRIENDLY. Not at all these posts and blogs are very clear on the fact that they are negative and want to be Breed and swallow Hiv positive cum


So ..... I dont want a judgement thread here, just want opinions as to why someone would purposely WANT to be infected. I guess i want to understand what they get from poz cum. I mean I have had sex with numerous guys in the past and consider myself lucky to not have contracted anything , and Just to be clear I want to state that I am not being hateful or judgemental to anyone that has Aids or is Pos.

And I also admire people that post on craigslist and such sites and clearly put that they are positive. I think that is commendable because I am sure that there are many that post and are poz and dont put that info out there.

Im kinda rambling . BTW i also see a lot of posts for people looking for Poz tops or bottoms, dont know if the poster is poz themself but these are not the posts i am talking about

below is one of the blogs i was talking about
http://rubbermutt.blogspot.com/


I find this all so interesting, and just want to be better informed,

I apologize upfront if i offend any one, those were never my intentions.

 

[star-warrior]

Egad, that reminds me of someone who used to be on here...

I truely don't know why they would want it. Maybe it's the thrill or taboo of catching something dangerous

 

[BINOWGAYLATER]

Don't know what to think about this --
A lot of young people have a death wish - or like star suggested - the thrill of it gives an extra kick ? but do they know the ramifications of catching something this serious?
So I'm assuming they would all go around barebacking too ? it's really sad --

 

[HoustonTroy]

Don't know what to think about this --
A lot of young people have a death wish - or like star suggested - the thrill of it gives an extra kick ? but do they know the ramifications of catching something this serious?
So I'm assuming they would all go around barebacking too ? it's really sad --

This is 2010, I think everyone knows what the ramifications are.

 

[fetaby]

I thought about what you have written, the view you are looking for, but for the life of me... I am unable to get my head wrapped around it...

But I do wish you luck in your search...

 

[ronboy]

I have to admit, as an older, still healthy gay man, the idea of someone "pozzing" me frightens the hell out of me.

I was fortunate to be in a relationship for 12 years where we were safe. And even in my slut puppy days, (1985-1995), I was always "no glove-no love."

So I may be old fashioned in that I won't bareback with anyone these days, let alone swallow the load of a guy I've just met, or known for a short time.

I didn't expect to be single again on the other side of 40, but I am. And by playing safely, I plan to be here to see my old age...

 

[batman7457]

I can't speak for anyone but myself but I can tell you why I did it 15 years ago. I was 25, young, hot, just out of the navy, single and living on my own for the first time in the French Quarter in New Orleans. I really wanted to be able to enjoy being somewhat promiscuous but I couldn't because I was terrified of HIV. And rightfully so because in the early 90's, HIV was a slow and painful death sentence. A really nasty way to die. The anxiety I had to deal with everytime I hooked up was unbearable. I was using condoms but still afraid because what if it broke? Then in 1995, new medication came out which was having miraculous effects even on guys who were on their death beds. Even Time magazine declared "The End of AIDS." So I figured I now had 3 choices... I could live in fear, I could become celibate or I could just let it happen and take my pills and go on with my life. I didn't go out looking for it but I stopped trying to protect myself from it. When I finally tested positive about a year later, it was kind of a relief. I took the pills which were not so easy to take back then. They did work, however. I went undetectable within two weeks. Ive been undetectable ever since. And I've had an active and satisfying sex life. Much more satisfying than it was when cum was something to be feared like liquid plutonium. I now take one pill every night before I go to bed and that pill has absolutely no side effects. My last cd4 count was 1100. Same as if I were still negative. Do I have any regrets about making that decision in 1995? Absolutely not. Would I suggest it for anyone else? Not necessarily. HIV is not what it used to be. For me, it doesn't even register as a minor annoyance. I'm undetectable, non-infectious and my immune system is perfectly intact because I take a pill every day and I live a healthy life without drugs, alcohol, cigarettes or shitty food. I do think there are gay men who are fetishizing the virus, though. I also imagine that tina has something to do with all of that. And tina is far more terrifying and a much bigger problem in the gay male community than HIV currently is...

 

[Mitri T]

When Dreu found out of is illness, this was a difficult thing for him and for us.

People think that there is a way to cure it because the drugs keep you alive so long but this is what I know.

If you are sick of anything else it will be too much and it will kill you. You also have shame even though you should not.

I think to get sick like this when others want so much to be not sick like this is quite childish.

 

[jizzeater]

batman beat me to my answer.

I think a lot of these guys want to fuck whoever, whenever, without worrying about being infected, so they just get it over with. They think the new drugs will keep them alive and healthy.

I guess that has worked for some people, but it still seems insane to me. The cost must be outrageous, and there must be side effects for some of them.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

I can't speak for anyone but myself but I can tell you why I did it 15 years ago. I was 25, young, hot, just out of the navy, single and living on my own for the first time in the French Quarter in New Orleans. I really wanted to be able to enjoy being somewhat promiscuous but I couldn't because I was terrified of HIV. And rightfully so because in the early 90's, HIV was a slow and painful death sentence. A really nasty way to die. The anxiety I had to deal with everytime I hooked up was unbearable. I was using condoms but still afraid because what if it broke? Then in 1995, new medication came out which was having miraculous effects even on guys who were on their death beds. Even Time magazine declared "The End of AIDS." So I figured I now had 3 choices... I could live in fear, I could become celibate or I could just let it happen and take my pills and go on with my life. I didn't go out looking for it but I stopped trying to protect myself from it. When I finally tested positive about a year later, it was kind of a relief. I took the pills which were not so easy to take back then. They did work, however. I went undetectable within two weeks. Ive been undetectable ever since. And I've had an active and satisfying sex life. Much more satisfying than it was when cum was something to be feared like liquid plutonium. I now take one pill every night before I go to bed and that pill has absolutely no side effects. My last cd4 count was 1100. Same as if I were still negative. Do I have any regrets about making that decision in 1995? Absolutely not. Would I suggest it for anyone else? Not necessarily. HIV is not what it used to be. For me, it doesn't even register as a minor annoyance. I'm undetectable, non-infectious and my immune system is perfectly intact because I take a pill every day and I live a healthy life without drugs, alcohol, cigarettes or shitty food. I do think there are gay men who are fetishizing the virus, though. I also imagine that tina has something to do with all of that. And tina is far more terrifying and a much bigger problem in the gay male community than HIV currently is...

I find this tale very hard to believe. Most likely a pack of lies...Full of medical disinformation, such as being HIV positive, but non-infectious. I don't believe that is medically possible. Nor do I believe, the one pill a day, with zero side-effects and a completely intact immune system 15 years into HIV diagnosis fantasy.

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[vulgar_newcomer]

I can't speak for anyone but myself but I can tell you why I did it 15 years ago. I was 25, young, hot, just out of the navy, single and living on my own for the first time in the French Quarter in New Orleans. I really wanted to be able to enjoy being somewhat promiscuous but I couldn't because I was terrified of HIV. And rightfully so because in the early 90's, HIV was a slow and painful death sentence. A really nasty way to die. The anxiety I had to deal with everytime I hooked up was unbearable. I was using condoms but still afraid because what if it broke? Then in 1995, new medication came out which was having miraculous effects even on guys who were on their death beds. Even Time magazine declared "The End of AIDS." So I figured I now had 3 choices... I could live in fear, I could become celibate or I could just let it happen and take my pills and go on with my life. I didn't go out looking for it but I stopped trying to protect myself from it. When I finally tested positive about a year later, it was kind of a relief. I took the pills which were not so easy to take back then. They did work, however. I went undetectable within two weeks. Ive been undetectable ever since. And I've had an active and satisfying sex life. Much more satisfying than it was when cum was something to be feared like liquid plutonium. I now take one pill every night before I go to bed and that pill has absolutely no side effects. My last cd4 count was 1100. Same as if I were still negative. Do I have any regrets about making that decision in 1995? Absolutely not. Would I suggest it for anyone else? Not necessarily. HIV is not what it used to be. For me, it doesn't even register as a minor annoyance. I'm undetectable, non-infectious and my immune system is perfectly intact because I take a pill every day and I live a healthy life without drugs, alcohol, cigarettes or shitty food. I do think there are gay men who are fetishizing the virus, though. I also imagine that tina has something to do with all of that. And tina is far more terrifying and a much bigger problem in the gay male community than HIV currently is...

Good one, I needed a laugh.
If nothing else in the USA right now, this date.....
HIV the fianacial atom bomb, and you don't mention the cost of your drugs, and what happens when the virus may mutate making that drug of no use. It will happen with the drugs used this date, it has for all of them thus far.
And contrary to what you say all the easy to find reputable sources in print/online such as positively aware have a drug guide listing the wholesale cost, which will of course be higher retail to the patient and the side effects. Plus long term information on the toxicity that builds up even with the much more modern easier to take drugs then the old AZT, or early protease drugs like Norvir.... oh wait that is still a main protease drug and people who are busted without health care are still on waiting list for AZT in states where the ADAP funds are low like South Carolina.

If there is one thing that medical science has done that is good and that is extend the patients life with better treatments, however make no mistake HIV is a life changing financial destroyer of all you have or will have should you get sick and lose a job or ever try to get health insurance unless you are self insured with powerful bank assets. It will make you poor and stay poor to get public medical programs once you get sick even though you are likely to recover it will waste your bank account and many people never even think about this aspect.

Those naive enough to believe that HIV is not a life changing course of no return are in for a shivering cold wake up. The treatments for illness is better but the dozens of lab test are not cheaper and are 3 or 4 times a year and those cutting edge maintenance drugs will set you back 15 - 25 grand a yr, or your health insurance and if you are in a state with declining or limited ADAP/Ryan White funding you will be on a waiting list or get as I said older dated drugs unless you get down to deaths door. This happens too.
Then to stay on the maintenance drugs you will live in poverty to maintain elegibility for social programs, make to much and your out of there so you stay poor. At anytime realizing that these programs are always under the hatchet and if cut off you will have nothing from time to time until you either get decent employment with adequate drug coverage and medical,.....the drug coverage is vital.

HIV like all major illness will destroy you very quickly even if you can take the pills with ease for the short term. What if you are employed but your employer cuts the drug coverage,....wow.... "Wake up Alice this Ain't wonderland"

 

[HoustonTroy]

Hey Batman, thanks so much for sharing, It was definately something I hadnt thought about about. Hope you stay healthy and with us for a long time

 

[vettehottie]

i think it is safe to say that ARV's have come a long way and that there are a lot of lucky people like batman (compared to the old days) who are able to live somewhat "normal" lives with HIV. That said, i have no idea why anyone in their right mind would want to become HIV+ Im sorry but even if its not necessarily a death wish for everyone its still not a walk in the park either. Some will be resistant to meds, some will do fine. Some will have good insurance that covers the meds, but will they have side effects that totally fuck up their life? Maybe....or maybe not. Remember ARV's are still somewhat new and their long term effects on the body are still not really known. That said, they are better than what came before them and have prolonged the lives of many many people and most doctors will tell a person that HIV is not the death sentence it once was, but given the right conditions.

I should add, best of luck to you Batman and i hope you are doing well. Also i really hope people are safe and dont try to be stupid.

 

[batman7457]

The OP asked a simple question and as someone with personal experience on the subject, I answered it. I didn't respond looking for anyone's approval of my decision. No, being positive has not always been a walk in the park. The old meds were not easy to take but I took them religiously and I live a very healthy life. I know with absolute certainty that I have never infected anyone else. Nor would I ever. I have health insurance through my employer of 4 years and have never had any problem getting my meds. My cd4 counts have gone from 600 in 1996 when I started medication to over 900 when I switched to Atripla in 2006. I still have wild type virus after all these years because I never miss a dose. I certainly do not advocate anyone making the same decision I made but I don't regret making that decision for myself.

 

[batman7457]

Swiss HIV experts have produced the first-ever consensus statement to say that HIV-positive individuals on effective antiretroviral therapy and without sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are sexually non-infectious. The statement is published in this week’s Bulletin of Swiss Medicine (Bulletin des médecins suisses). The statement also discusses the implications for doctors; for HIV-positive people; for HIV prevention; and the legal system.

The statement, on behalf of the Swiss Federal Commission for HIV / AIDS was authored by four of Switzerland’s foremost HIV experts: Prof Pietro Vernazza, of the Cantonal Hospital in St. Gallen, and President of the Swiss Federal Commission for HIV / AIDS; Prof Bernard Hirschel from Geneva University Hospital; Dr Enos Bernasconi of the Lugano Regional Hospital; and Dr Markus Flepp, president of the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health’s Sub-committee on the clincal and therapeutic aspects of HIV / AIDS.

The statement’s headline statement says that “after review of the medical literature and extensive discussion,” the Swiss Federal Commission for HIV / AIDS resolves that, “An HIV-infected person on antiretroviral therapy with completely suppressed viraemia (“effective ART”) is not sexually infectious, i.e. cannot transmit HIV through sexual contact.”

 

[BRIOHAZARD]

I don't see how this is much different from someone who always smokes, or eats nothing but junk food, or an alcoholic, or texting while driving.


People seam to have a death wish.


I'm not judging, if people want to do all the stuff mentioned above, or contract HIV/AIDS, than by all means let them.


I want to live a long healthy life, and that includes me not getting HIV/AIDS.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

Swiss HIV experts have produced the first-ever consensus statement to say that HIV-positive individuals on effective antiretroviral therapy and without sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are sexually non-infectious. The statement is published in this week’s Bulletin of Swiss Medicine (Bulletin des médecins suisses). The statement also discusses the implications for doctors; for HIV-positive people; for HIV prevention; and the legal system.

The statement, on behalf of the Swiss Federal Commission for HIV / AIDS was authored by four of Switzerland’s foremost HIV experts: Prof Pietro Vernazza, of the Cantonal Hospital in St. Gallen, and President of the Swiss Federal Commission for HIV / AIDS; Prof Bernard Hirschel from Geneva University Hospital; Dr Enos Bernasconi of the Lugano Regional Hospital; and Dr Markus Flepp, president of the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health’s Sub-committee on the clincal and therapeutic aspects of HIV / AIDS.

The statement’s headline statement says that “after review of the medical literature and extensive discussion,” the Swiss Federal Commission for HIV / AIDS resolves that, “An HIV-infected person on antiretroviral therapy with completely suppressed viraemia (“effective ART”) is not sexually infectious, i.e. cannot transmit HIV through sexual contact.”

A premature, hotly disupted, and irresponsible statement made by four scientists studying heterosexual couples. I would hope some of our young and impressionable JUBBERS can read between the lines to see that less risk of infection is not the same thing as non-infectious.

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

Ok first of all thanks for reading, I am really interested in all opinions.

Recently i have been seeing a lot of posts and blogs where neg bottoms want to be POZZEd. Want to be infected, I have seen these on craigslist and manhunt and the such, the neg bottoms are usually very young, 18 or 19 looking to be pozzed. Which i believed is to be HIV infected.

Now these ads are very different from the ones that state LOOKING FOR FUN AND POZ FRIENDLY. Not at all these posts and blogs are very clear on the fact that they are negative and want to be Breed and swallow Hiv positive cum


So ..... I dont want a judgement thread here, just want opinions as to why someone would purposely WANT to be infected. I guess i want to understand what they get from poz cum. I mean I have had sex with numerous guys in the past and consider myself lucky to not have contracted anything , and Just to be clear I want to state that I am not being hateful or judgemental to anyone that has Aids or is Pos.


I find this all so interesting, and just want to be better informed,

Well, I have seen those kinds of posts in various places and they are shocking (and somewhat disturbing) but I really haven't seen that many of them.

To answer your question, I don't think you're going to get an answer that makes much sense. If it is something you wouldn't do, you're probably not going to understand anything they could tell you. There are people who have all sorts of irrational desires. Since I got online I've been surprised when I stumbled onto conversations where there were quite a few men who wanted to be eunuchs to the point to where they would sometimes talk about their attempts to do the surgery themselves and end up in the ER when they realized they had no idea what they were getting themselves into.

There are also people who have the desire to have perfectly functional limbs amputated. And some of them have gone as far as to try to do it themselves when doctors refuse.

I guess when it comes to sexual interests, reality sort of fades into the background for some people. There's just no explaining these things. I would guess some of them might be jarred back to reality if they could see someone in the late stages of AIDS and really see what it's like. It could be that they are in some kind of delusional state about what it's like.

Also, I think sometimes people don't even think about the consequences. In other words, they don't see anything past "getting pozzed". The thought of the act itself is arousing to them for some reason and they get so worked up thinking about it that they're not really thinking about several years after they "get pozzed".

 

[hotatlboi]

I have seen this also and can't imagine why anyone would want that.

I mean sure you aren't necessarily going to die any more, but it is still going to potentially compromise your health, drain you thousands of dollars for meds, and possibly also present even more social challenges on top of being gay.

 

[blackbeltninja]

I find this tale very hard to believe. Most likely a pack of lies...Full of medical disinformation, such as being HIV positive, but non-infectious. I don't believe that is medically possible. Nor do I believe, the one pill a day, with zero side-effects and a completely intact immune system 15 years into HIV diagnosis fantasy.

I think side-effects vary quite significantly from person to person. I've dealt with some HIV positive individuals who didn't seem any the worse for wear after taking the meds for some time; but I have heard horror stories as well.

As for being non-infectious, that's a new one to me. My unit specialises in malaria and HIV and tuberculosis/HIV so I hear enough about it. I know treatment usually leads to a tiny viral load, sure, but I've never heard anyone mention non-infectious. I hope that bit is false; we struggle enough down here to get people to practice safer sex even when HIV- to worry about someone suggesting the practice is unnecessary in certain HIV+ people.

-d-