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Windows 8 Consumer Preview

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I'm a mac person, for the most part. I use it for my daily computing, but I still have my tried and true windows computer. My question is this:
I downloaded and used the Windows 8 dev preview for a short time, but it was so buggy and just useless to me (as it would just freeze up and I would lose everything I was doing). Has anybody used the new consumer preview and found it to be better? I'm just lazy and don't feel like going through the motions to install it and find that I still can't use it, and then have to go through the motions to revert =/.
 
Naah I haven't used it yet.

I'm back to the way I was with windows 3.11/nt 3.51 : shell replacements.

I can't even begin to describe how much I loathe the new shell.
 
I am a Mac person too and I found Windows 8 to be terrible. The Metro UI leaves much to be desired on a standard desktop/notebook computer. Things are also just messy and disjointed. With the Start Screen, MS is making it necessary to go switch back and forth from the different UI's and it's not a great experience for me. I don't think the reliance upon Hot Corners is great either. The charms bar just feels sloppy and thrown in.

Also, the programs they have are just weird as there are duplicates. For example, in Windows 8 there are two versions of Internet Explorer. One for metro and one for desktop. I guess I get that, but I just think there would be a better implementation. I mean, these two versions don't even interact with each other. It might be nicer if they could sync?

Another thing I found sloppy and highly unintuitive was the fact that there were two control panels. One was the traditional "Control Panel" found in Windows and the other is "PC Settings" which is effectively the CP for the metro half. I highly dislike this, however I guess I see their reasoning. Tablet users wouldn't want to go into the desktop (which isn't optimized for touch) to change things. Another thing that confused me was the fact that there seemed to be two versions of Windows Update. Each version only gives you the updates for the specific half you are in. If you are in Metro's Update, you only get Metro updates. I would have assumed that each version would have download every update available for the entire system.

There are just a lot of weird things. I mean, when Windows 8 boots on a desktop it boots into a lock screen. That would work fine on a tablet, but not on a desktop. Then you have to click or click and slide to get to the log on screen. It's just bizarre IMO.

Despite the things I dislike, I can't see what Microsoft could better because I feel like the concept of Windows 8 is deeply flawed. Apple is creating two distinct OS's and is simply bringing features over from the tablet to the desktop. They aren't destroying anything. This leaves two good OS's that have each been optimized for the specific input methods they use. Windows 8 is trying to make one OS for them all, and when you do this I feel that you are making compromises at the expense of both platforms.

I don't see Windows 8 going over well for a lot of people. A lot of computer illiterate people are going to be confused. I don't know how I would go about teaching my dad for example. I also don't think that enterprise customers are going to like it. If MS doesn't allow Metro to be turned off, then I think businesses would go no further than 7.

Microsoft is trying to innovate, which is a good thing. However, I don't think they are doing anything good. They are taking Windows 7, a relatively good OS and are changing it is ways that it doesn't need to be changed.
 
Haven't had a chance to check out Windows 8. I too am on a Mac but I run a Bootcamp partition. Sounds like Microsoft is trying to prepare for the future, you know the one where we all use touchscreen devices. Unfortunately, as much as I love touchscreens, I still prefer a keyboard and mouse to do papers and work with certain programs. And from what you are saying Arcturus, it sounds like Microsoft really didn't integrate anything, just threw it all out there and saw what stuck.

I suppose that Microsoft is also trying to emulate OSX Lion, as it incorporates multi-touch gestures, like those you find on iOS devices.
 
The problem is that touchscreen devices aren't good for a lot of things. They are good for content consumption, but not creation. I can't imagine trying to write a paper on an iPad, even with the Apple Wireless Keyboard. When I write a paper I have tons of browser windows open and lots of things on the screen open at the same time. Tablets aren't really good for that.

I didn't run a bootcamp partition. I just used a virtual machine, which is why I am not commenting on speed. It seemed okay though.

I really do think that Microsoft just threw a bunch of stuff together. When I first installed it I knew that I was getting two OS's at once. I just expected some sort of integration. It's disjointed and not an experience. Again, I am going to compare them to Apple. Apple is bringing tablet apps to OS X, however, they are creating desktop versions that have been optimized for use on a desktop OS. Microsoft is expecting people to use tablet apps on your desktop. I just think they are trying so hard to diversify themselves and seem unique that they aren't thinking if these are good decisions or not.

If I was Microsoft, I would split the OS's up. There could be a Windows 8 Tablet Edition with just the Metro and there could be all of the Windows 8 Desktop Editions that look the same as Windows 7 (and function the same) but have all the improvements that 8 offers under the hood. I would do either that, or perhaps sell one version of 8 (perhaps the Enterprise version) that is Metro free. Or, even just the ability to disable Metro and tablet portions of it. I know in the Developer Preview I was able to screw around with the Registry and turn it off. But I am not sure if you can do that in 8 and it probably wouldn't be a good option for a lot of people.
 
Windows 8 will suck because it must follow the Microsoft pattern.

95 - awesome
98 - sucked
98se - awesome
ME - sucked
XP - awesome
Vista - sucked
7 - awesome
8 - ... must suck.
 
GiancarloC said:
We'll have to see what happens with this. It could still develop further. Windows 8 looks like an exciting prospect at least for me and my uses. I've used it one hard-drive I have... it's pretty interesting.

Mac users have a big agenda against microsoft, so I would tell people to try it for themselves. Don't use it in substitution of Windows 7 though. If you have an extra hard-drive, try it out.
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Of course it's interesting and yes it will develop further. Hopefully Microsoft will take feedback that they get and improve it.

No, Mac users do not have a big agenda against Microsoft (some do, but the vast majority do not). Stop generalizing. I know lots of Mac users. 70% of the computer users at my university are Mac users and they don't care. Pretty much all Mac users have Office for Mac 2008/2011 installed on their systems and use it daily. Does that sound like someone who would have an agenda against Microsoft? Lots of people who have Macs dual boot Windows on their system with BootCamp or utilize a VM to use Windows as well. Hell, if you even read my posts you would see that I said that Windows 7 was a good OS. Just because we choose to use a Mac doesn't mean we hate Microsoft. How would you like it if I said that PC users have a big agenda against Apple? They don't (though it seems you do, because anytime anyone mentions Apple you have to insert a snide comment). It's just about as accurate as your statement.

Lets not turn this into another 'iPad Killer' thread though. There is no reason to argue.
 
Well the consumer preview seems to be running better than the developer preview (see usable).

It kept crashing in virtualbox on install with an error code relating to defective ram. Seeing that I have fully-buffered ECC ram and a motherboard that monitors the ram were any bad there'd be beeping, leds flashing and kernel panics I'd imagine. A couple force restarts and it loaded. I think it may be a bug in the software or oracle's virtualbox.

Though the UI still gets on my tits, I'll give it a chance before condemning it.
 
I'm interested in trying it but...my superdrive took a crap on me and I doubt it will play nice with Apple hardware. I guess I'll have to play with it on my families W7 computer when I get a chance.

And yeah, us Mac users really don't have a vendetta against Microsoft, I was a Windows user all up until 2.5 years ago. And still have it on my Mac, as well as Office (which is the best program Microsoft makes, =p).
 
^ you should be able to run it in a virtual machine. There are a couple settings one has to tweak in the VM, but it's fairly straight forward.
 
Like a virtual machine through Windows 7 or Lion? I am assuming Lion. But either way, the SuperDrive on my MBP took a crap on me the other day. I have one from ebay (fingers crossed) coming in hopefully tomorrow.
 
IIRC mac has 'parallels' for running OS's in virtual machines.

You don't need much space for the vms, depending on what you're doing.
 
I've played around some with windows 7, & honestly don't care too much for the interface .. and I hate the fact that networking it is a real pain (have yet to get that to work right)

Didn't know there was a Win 8 preview out..sure if I had an extra high-powered computer just laying around, it would be fun to install & play with LOL .. I'd get to see just how much I wouldn't want the thing (but who has extra computers just sitting unused?)

Personally for windows versions, I'll stick with the 3 I've currently got:
Win3.11-for workgroups
Win98se
Win Xp
 
The way I was seeing it was not so much as microsoft making a disjointed system, or making it so people had to use tablet apps on their desktop as much as trying to make everything one system. I remember reading something a while back when 8 was announced that their idea was that windows tablets/phones/computers would all have the same system, so devs would have it a lot easier in terms of app creation and the like. Like I said, the one problem I had with the dev preview was that it just kept crashing and freezing up to the point of being unusable. I also don't want to judge the beta by its interface as Microsoft still has some time to hammer things out, and see how people react to it. What microsoft devs think and what the general public think are going to be two different things. A lot can change. I just, like I said, don't want to waste my time partitioning and downloading and installing (god knows Comcast in my area is slow as sin, so downloading would take about a day by itself) just to find out that it was just as buggy as the dev preview.

Arcturus said:
The problem is that touchscreen devices aren't good for a lot of things. They are good for content consumption, but not creation. I can't imagine trying to write a paper on an iPad, even with the Apple Wireless Keyboard. When I write a paper I have tons of browser windows open and lots of things on the screen open at the same time. Tablets aren't really good for that.

I didn't run a bootcamp partition. I just used a virtual machine, which is why I am not commenting on speed. It seemed okay though.

I really do think that Microsoft just threw a bunch of stuff together. When I first installed it I knew that I was getting two OS's at once. I just expected some sort of integration. It's disjointed and not an experience. Again, I am going to compare them to Apple. Apple is bringing tablet apps to OS X, however, they are creating desktop versions that have been optimized for use on a desktop OS. Microsoft is expecting people to use tablet apps on your desktop. I just think they are trying so hard to diversify themselves and seem unique that they aren't thinking if these are good decisions or not.

If I was Microsoft, I would split the OS's up. There could be a Windows 8 Tablet Edition with just the Metro and there could be all of the Windows 8 Desktop Editions that look the same as Windows 7 (and function the same) but have all the improvements that 8 offers under the hood. I would do either that, or perhaps sell one version of 8 (perhaps the Enterprise version) that is Metro free. Or, even just the ability to disable Metro and tablet portions of it. I know in the Developer Preview I was able to screw around with the Registry and turn it off. But I am not sure if you can do that in 8 and it probably wouldn't be a good option for a lot of people.
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72-Jay said:
I've played around some with windows 7, & honestly don't care too much for the interface .. and I hate the fact that networking it is a real pain (have yet to get that to work right)

Didn't know there was a Win 8 preview out..sure if I had an extra high-powered computer just laying around, it would be fun to install & play with LOL .. I'd get to see just how much I wouldn't want the thing (but who has extra computers just sitting unused?)

Personally for windows versions, I'll stick with the 3 I've currently got:
Win3.11-for workgroups
Win98se
Win Xp
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Not necessarily. I assigned W8 1 core and 2GB of ram and it seems to run just fine.
 
Well I got around to installing the consumer preview and, well, I agree it is kinda bizarre. Arcturus pointed out many of the things I noticed to be odd and unintuitive. Having said that, it installed quickly and seems to be working pretty good. I am running it on a bootcamp partition, so I expected issues, but all the Apple drivers installed without a hitch. Most programs from W7 seem to work just fine on W8, though this isn't really a surprise.

Should be rather interesting to see what the final release version looks like. My bet is, a few bugs will be cleaned up, processes more streamlined, but all in all, WYSIWYG.
 
Lion is "meh" enough that it would make me at least look at what windows is doing these days. It's been a decade so maybe they've done something great…but i don't think so. This Metro UI just looks stupid. They're copying the stupid things that Mac OS is doing. The spaces. The full screen. The flatness-slash-boringness of it.

Simple is not the same as plain. Bleh.
 
looseliam said:
Not necessarily. I assigned W8 1 core and 2GB of ram and it seems to run just fine.
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I don't have anything nearly that powerfull in even as the whole system! LOL .. so couldn't do that
 
I wouldn't say that they are copying Mac OS. I used to have windows phone 7 until Sprint finally picked up the iPhone (thank god). The phone itself sucked, but the software and os wasn't terrible. The metro ui isn't terrible on the phones. I like it a lot better than iPhone apps, in some circumstances (the constant updated information, the way you don't have to open apps to see what is going on (as most of my iPhone apps aren't push enabled, and the notifications just kind of say "LOOK AT ME"). I just don't know how well the ui will transfer with the way they are implementing it now (where hot corners are used to access menus). I don't get why they just can't use a pull down bar for pcs, as not everybody is using tablets for their computing needs.

bankside said:
Lion is "meh" enough that it would make me at least look at what windows is doing these days. It's been a decade so maybe they've done something great…but i don't think so. This Metro UI just looks stupid. They're copying the stupid things that Mac OS is doing. The spaces. The full screen. The flatness-slash-boringness of it.

Simple is not the same as plain. Bleh.
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yeah copy is probably the wrong word but there is something common in the direction they're going which is unnecessarily spartan.
 
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