With bin Laden dead, who will be the next baddie?

[EwanSF]

Oh fuck, here we go....at what point did I say any Arab country is innocent? I didn't, but you just assumed I did, so I smell a hefty tirade of zionist propaganda coming my way, which is just you supporting a state that's in the middle of commiting cultural genocide, lets not beat about the bush.

Israel brings all its own problems on simply by existing on stolen land. It exaserbates them by agressivly and illegally expanding its borders and murdering children.

 

[Telstra]

"who will be the next baddie"

People who use god for political purposes ....
There are many of them making noise pollutions from their place of worship.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yeah, I'd more sympathetic to the irsraeli desire to be left alone if they'd stop building settlements. They fucking bulldoze peoples homes and drop white phospherous on their children and then gawp in amazment as to why the entire arab world hate them. It beggers belief.

I don't grasp why the rest of Israel puts up with that fringe.

The U.S. ought to say, "Oh, you chased out more Palestinians? Well, we're taking payment for that land, at top commercial value, out of your aid this year, and we're giving it to the families you chased out. And while we're at it, we're going back to find all the ones you've chased out to build your settlements and doing the same thing.
"What? You don't think village land is worth the same as land in Tel Aviv? Tough -- you didn't ask them if they wanted to leave, and we're not asking you what you think their land was worth.
"You don't think that's fair? Huh. Okay, you're right -- they deserve about five thousand US dollars apiece for pain and suffering. That comes out of your aid check, too.
"By the by, we'll be mailing apologies for your behavior with all those checks."

 

[EwanSF]

It's hardly a fringe when the party in government is not only encouraging, but facilitacting the process of afore mentioned cultural genocide and annexation. Likud are a bunch of right wing psychos, King of the Crazies being the cunt at the top, Netanyahu. They don't care about human rights because a lot of them don't really see arabs as human.

 

[Lostlover]

Make no mistake about it, Israel doesn't want peace. God has given them the deed to that land. They're not going to give it up. Netanyahu refused about $30 million a day in assistance if he agreed to stay in the negotiations for peace for just 30 more days. President Obama was confident a deal was near and offered a package worth a lot of money to keep Israel at the table. They walked.

All you need to know. And I don't think the average American has any particular affinity for Israel. This much hyped friendship with Israel is purely business related. I always side with the little guy, here the Palestinians.

 

[JB3]

Oh fuck, here we go....at what point did I say any Arab country is innocent? I didn't, but you just assumed I did, so I smell a hefty tirade of zionist propaganda coming my way, which is just you supporting a state that's in the middle of commiting cultural genocide, lets not beat about the bush.

Israel brings all its own problems on simply by existing on stolen land. It exaserbates them by agressivly and illegally expanding its borders and murdering children.

And there we have it. That bolded section right there says pretty much all we need to know about your mindset when discussing Israel. Go read a history book.

 

[EwanSF]

And there we have it. That bolded section right there says pretty much all we need to know about your mindset when discussing Israel. Go read a history book.

I do little but read history books. It's a handy hobby that makes it all the more difficult for zionist mouth-pieces like yourself to spout your propaganda unchecked. You said nothing to refute the accusations of cultural genocide and or dropping white phospherous on unarmed civilians. All you give a fuck about, apparently, is the debatable ligitimicy of the israeli state. That tells us pretty much all we need to know about your regard for the lives of palastinians.

Make no mistake about it, Israel doesn't want peace. God has given them the deed to that land. They're not going to give it up. Netanyahu refused about $30 million a day in assistance if he agreed to stay in the negotiations for peace for just 30 more days. President Obama was confident a deal was near and offered a package worth a lot of money to keep Israel at the table. They walked.

All you need to know. And I don't think the average American has any particular affinity for Israel. This much hyped friendship with Israel is purely business related. I always side with the little guy, here the Palestinians.

I thought that was undoubtedly Obamas weakest momment. You, leader of the most powerful country in the world, just got bitched by a country that you finance? Seriously? Either suggested incomepetance, weakness, or just a lack of interest.

 

[JB3]

I do little but read history books. It's a handy hobby that makes it all the more difficult for zionist mouth-pieces like yourself to spout your propaganda unchecked. You said nothing to refute the accusations of cultural genocide and or dropping white phospherous on unarmed civilians. All you give a fuck about, apparently, is the debatable ligitimicy of the israeli state. That tells us pretty much all we need to know about your regard for the lives of palastinians.



I thought that was undoubtedly Obamas weakest momment. You, leader of the most powerful country in the world, just got bitched by a country that you finance? Seriously? Either suggested incomepetance, weakness, or just a lack of interest.

You think I'm a Zionist? Are you being serious right now? Israel's continued building of settlements is irresponsible and dangerous, and completely unacceptable. I've never supported it, and I do not support Israel's continual hard-nosed attitude when it comes to peace talks. Nor do I support their heavy-handed response to the attacks by Palestinians and others.

Yes, there are innocent victims that have been hit in the conflict involving Israel and the Palestinians. But you're lying to yourself, and to us, if you try and paint the Palestinians as blameless and innocent. The fact remains that Israel is attacked DAILY by its neighbors, and innocent men, women, and children, are killed as a result. Its clear that you care more about the attackers than you do about those being attacked.

 

[Lostlover]

I thought that was undoubtedly Obamas weakest momment. You, leader of the most powerful country in the world, just got bitched by a country that you finance? Seriously? Either suggested incomepetance, weakness, or just a lack of interest.

Well, it isn't Obama's style to be confrontational. And to expect for Obama to go nuclear and cut ties with Israel, isn't reasonable. Israel has some big lobbying groups in DC that even the president feels beholden to unfortunately.

I don't like Israel anymore than Palestinians. So it pains me when I hear how special Israelis are and no mention of their Arab neighbors.

 

[EwanSF]

You think I'm a Zionist? Are you being serious right now? Israel's continued building of settlements is irresponsible and dangerous, and completely unacceptable. I've never supported it, and I do not support Israel's continual hard-nosed attitude when it comes to peace talks. Nor do I support their heavy-handed response to the attacks by Palestinians and others.

It's the impression you give when you so agressively jump to defend the ligitmacy of a state, when the discussion was about the war crimes being commited by it. That was your immediate concern, not the human cost, which as I said, speaks volumes.

Yes, there are innocent victims that have been hit in the conflict involving Israel and the Palestinians. But you're lying to yourself, and to us, if you try and paint the Palestinians as blameless and innocent. The fact remains that Israel is attacked DAILY by its neighbors, and innocent men, women, and children, are killed as a result. Its clear that you care more about the attackers than you do about those being attacked.

Did I deny that there were Israeli casualties? Nope. Nor did I attempt to paint anyone as blameless or innocent. The only time I even used the word innocent was in refference to unarmed civilians. And it again speaks volumes when you reffer to the Palastinians as "the attackers." Defending your borders does not extend to subjecting a tiny, densely populated strip of land to a medieval siege, and dropping white phosphorus on children. Sure you're not a zionist?

 

[EwanSF]

Well, it isn't Obama's style to be confrontational. And to expect for Obama to go nuclear and cut ties with Israel, isn't reasonable. Israel has some big lobbying groups in DC that even the president feels beholden to unfortunately.

I don't like Israel anymore than Palestinians. So it pains me when I hear how special Israelis are and no mention of their Arab neighbors.

See this is what's wrong with the political system in your country, and I get grief every time a criticise it. Special interest groups are the bane of the democratic process.

And I understand Obamas style might not be confrontational, but offering a bribe, then being told to shove it up his arse should have kicked him into growing a pair, no?

 

[EwanSF]

Sorry, I'll rephrase. Money, is the bane of the democratic process. Better?

 

[Kulindahr]

It's the impression you give when you so agressively jump to defend the ligitmacy of a state, when the discussion was about the war crimes being commited by it. That was your immediate concern, not the human cost, which as I said, speaks volumes.

Israel generally goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties -- that also has to go in the balance, especially when the Iranian-sponsored enemy goes out of its way to inflict civilian casualties.

Sorry, I'll rephrase. Money, is the bane of the democratic process. Better?

Close: money with strings is the bane (etc). That means anything other than a contribution from individual (human) persons.

 

[JB3]

It's the impression you give when you so agressively jump to defend the ligitmacy of a state, when the discussion was about the war crimes being commited by it. That was your immediate concern, not the human cost, which as I said, speaks volumes.

When you deny the legitimacy of a state because of a supposed genocide that is not occurring, that is, of course, where I am going to begin. You claim they are illegitimate, which you are somehow using to justify the actions of the Palestinians in keeping several Israeli cities under siege. You seem all too concerned with casting blame on one side and giving praise for another. Perhaps that is why you have been questioned as an anti-semite in the past?

Did I deny that there were Israeli casualties? Nope. Nor did I attempt to paint anyone as blameless or innocent. The only time I even used the word innocent was in refference to unarmed civilians. And it again speaks volumes when you reffer to the Palastinians as "the attackers." Defending your borders does not extend to subjecting a tiny, densely populated strip of land to a medieval siege, and dropping white phosphorus on children. Sure you're not a zionist?

You didn't mention the Israeli costs, instead choosing to paint them as the attackers, which is not accurate. In most cases the Palestinians (learn to spell the word) are the attackers. Those incidents you cite were all self-defense FROM palestinian attacks on Israel. And I have yet to hear you discuss the civilian cost on Israel's side either.

 

[EwanSF]

When you deny the legitimacy of a state because of a supposed genocide that is not occurring, that is, of course, where I am going to begin. You claim they are illegitimate, which you are somehow using to justify the actions of the Palestinians in keeping several Israeli cities under siege. You seem all too concerned with casting blame on one side and giving praise for another. Perhaps that is why you have been questioned as an anti-semite in the past?

At no point in any of the relevant posts did I give praise to anyone. At all. You can check back if you want. I have nothing but contempt for hamas, but I do agree with them on one thing, and that is the ligitimacy of the israeli state. Probably not the extent of genocide though, a point where I'm fairly certain they wouldn't stop, which neatly brings me onto the next topic. "Supposed genocide." Well, I said cultural genocide, so whether or not you've deliberately taken what I said out of context, I shall correct you. And it is happening. What the fuck else would you call forcibly removing large groups of people from their homes, based around ethnic and cultural lines, stealing their land and forcing them to flee to other countries to eak out an existance in a squalid refugee camp. And just because the majority of Israelis are jews doesn't make the reverse true. A fact that morons of your caliber are keen to skip over when you're incorrectly throwing accusations of anti-semitism around.

You didn't mention the Israeli costs, instead choosing to paint them as the attackers, which is not accurate. In most cases the Palestinians (learn to spell the word) are the attackers. Those incidents you cite were all self-defense FROM palestinian attacks on Israel. And I have yet to hear you discuss the civilian cost on Israel's side either.

Regarding the spelling mistake, I have learning difficulties. Petty. And again telling, that you would describe besieging and then illegally blockading Gaza as self defence. Outrageously disproportionate would you not agree? It was not self defence, it was and is still a collective punishment for the actions of Hamas. If you want me to actualy say that I find the Israeli costs apalling and unnacceptable, I will, and I do. But that was not the subject under discussion at the time and I don't see why I should have to bring up Israeli casualties every time I mention war crimes and human rights abuses by their government just for fear of some twat (this actualy has occured in the past,) comparing me to Josef fucking Mengele.

The reason I don't look on their state as ligitimate is that other countries have commited a similar caliber of war crimes and their leaders have been removed from power and put on trial. Serbia for example. All I see is a huge double standard.

 

[MoltenRock III]

I have no doubt so new boogeyman will be invented and hyped so that America's love of military adventurism can proceed at full speed. America seems to thrive off of having an enemy. It's sad really. It's a bit like a middle-aged, fat, balding, guy needing a new red sports car to feel alive again.

 

[Lostlover]

I have no doubt so new boogeyman will be invented and hyped so that America's love of military adventurism can proceed at full speed. America seems to thrive off of having an enemy. It's sad really. It's a bit like a middle-aged, fat, balding, guy needing a new red sports car to feel alive again.

The boogeyman might be someone here. Mexicans seems to be the new target. And the Chinese too. Their only crime seems to be have a rapidly expanding economy.

 

[Kulindahr]

Once JFK managed to give us "a man on the moon" as the "enemy".

Why can't we make dependence on foreign oil the enemy?

 

[MoltenRock III]

Once JFK managed to give us "a man on the moon" as the "enemy".

Why can't we make dependence on foreign oil the enemy?

I wish with all my heart this could or would be the case!