Women Running From Republicans in droves

[Kulindahr]

Rather than addressing the validity for her claim of gender-based pay inequality, the outcome of the Ledbetter court case focused upon the timing of her complaints. It is my impression that opposition to the Ledbetter law was based largely upon the likelihood that it would generate “frivolous lawsuits” initiated by retiring employees for alleged actions that had occurred during years previous. The “Ledbetter Act” establishes a basis to sue in such cases~ that might otherwise be dismissed as a consequence of the Supreme Court’s 2007 decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., Inc.

Yes. The law as it stood required women to notice on their very first paycheck on a new job that they weren't being paid equally to the men doing the same job, and then file, or just keep working for less pay and shut up. There's nothing nice to say about such a position; it amounts to enforced involuntary servitude, since the difference in pay between the women and men is free labor to the employer, and thus slavery.

Republicans especially were worried that women might decide years later that they wanted to sue after all, but that was considered inconsequential in face of the fact that women who had worked for months and then just discovered they were being treated unequally were forbidden to seek justice.

This, BTW, is a nice divider between actual libertarians and propertarians: libertarians would support the women being able to bring suit whenever they happened to discover the disparity, plus whatever time it took them to get counsel and prepare; propertarians hold that the corporation "owns" the jobs, i.e. that they're property, so either the woman protests immediately or not at all. The divide has been plain off and on in the various libertarian magazines when this or similar issues come along.

Chris Hayes brought this up on his show this AM. Seems, I think they said, just last January Romney was all for women on welfare to got to work! Now because of Hillary Rosen all women who stay at home are working mothers.
Make up your mind Mitt!

He was very plain. Put the two statements together, and the syllogism is easy:

Ann Romney has no dignity.

 

[JayHawk]

President Obama handled this very well. Demonstrating how you actually bring people to your side instead of arrognatly argue them to the other side of the political aisle. Imagine if Obama had said something like Mitt has no brain or even allowed the comment about Mrs. Romney. He would lose so much support over being a d-bag.

President Obama strongly disagreed with Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen’s controversial comment about Ann Romney, saying today that “there’s no tougher job than being a mom.”
“Anybody who would argue otherwise, I think, probably needs to rethink their statement,” the president told Bruce Aune of ABC’s Cedar Rapids affiliate KCRG.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Sometimes you don't need to rebutt your detractors. They do a good job of hanging themselves on their own rope.

 

[Stardreamer]

President Obama handled this very well. Demonstrating how you actually bring people to your side instead of arrognatly argue them to the other side of the political aisle. Imagine if Obama had said something like Mitt has no brain or even allowed the comment about Mrs. Romney. He would lose so much support over being a d-bag.

Overall but not initially. His comment about him and Michelle not being able to afford for one of them to stay home and raise the kids was a big mistake that he back pedaled on pretty quickly. Having raised a family of four on an enlisted man's paycheck so my wife could raise the kids, he didn't win any points with me on how two lawyers, one of whom became a Senator couldn't afford it. If some of the figures for his families income is accurate, they were making at least 8 to 10 times what I was making.

 

[palbert]

Why should the women run from the Republicans unless they are whisking away their sons. All women by now should realize that Republicans pose no threat to them.

 

[Rolyo85]

Being forced to carry a pregnancy to the end is in no way threatening?

 

[JayHawk]

Overall but not initially. His comment about him and Michelle not being able to afford for one of them to stay home and raise the kids was a big mistake that he back pedaled on pretty quickly. Having raised a family of four on an enlisted man's paycheck so my wife could raise the kids, he didn't win any points with me on how two lawyers, one of whom became a Senator couldn't afford it. If some of the figures for his families income is accurate, they were making at least 8 to 10 times what I was making.

Yeah but see for me you fall into the category of Obama can do no right (maybe unfairly)

It doesn't matter what he says or how he says it there will be fault to be found. BUT the important point is that for Women he won plenty of points by denouncing Rosen while connecting with working folks. Something Romney will never do EXCEPT for the folks who think Obama is wrong about everything. Those folks will pinch their nose and get in line behind Romney no matter what happens.

 

[JB3]

Yeah but see for me you fall into the category of Obama can do no right (maybe unfairly)

It doesn't matter what he says or how he says it there will be fault to be found. BUT the important point is that for Women he won plenty of points by denouncing Rosen while connecting with working folks. Something Romney will never do EXCEPT for the folks who think Obama is wrong about everything. Those folks will pinch their nose and get in line behind Romney no matter what happens.

I dunno, Romney won some big points after those comments. They seem to have done a pretty good job of focusing the attention on Romney and an unfair attack on his wife instead of on anything Obama said.

Hell, both of my parents (who voted for Obama in 2008), thought Rosen's comments were idiotic and were very sympathetic towards Mrs. Romney. Obama's initial reaction didn't sit too well with either of them, but they were more focused on Romney instead.

 

[Stardreamer]

Yeah but see for me you fall into the category of Obama can do no right (maybe unfairly)

Everyone keeps misplacing me because they get too hooked up in the Republican/conservative vs Democrat/liberal black and white mindset. I'm actually considering voting for Obama this year but this didn't help his standing in my considerations.

 

[palbert]

Being forced to carry a pregnancy to the end is in no way threatening?

Thanks for catching me out. I of course meant that women need not feel sexually threatened by Republicans committed to boys. I was not commenting on the Republican threat to freedom of choice.

 

[JayHawk]

That's why I said I was possibly mistaken Stardreamer. Simply based on the idea that Republicans have offered nothing that is a substantial change to the policies in place when Bush was in office I cannot in any faith even consider Romney.

That said I can see how Rosen's comments could be the only bit of news folks hear and then it will be repeated ad nauseum of course.

Obama did a nice job recovering from a faux pas he didnt actually make. It will be interesting to see if this stops the hemorrhage of women from the right.

 

[JB3]

That's why I said I was possibly mistaken Stardreamer. Simply based on the idea that Republicans have offered nothing that is a substantial change to the policies in place when Bush was in office I cannot in any faith even consider Romney.

That said I can see how Rosen's comments could be the only bit of news folks hear and then it will be repeated ad nauseum of course.

Obama did a nice job recovering from a faux pas he didnt actually make. It will be interesting to see if this stops the hemorrhage of women from the right.

It is a faux pas to suggest that two lawyers couldn't afford not to work. One of them alone would have made double what two parents in households where parents truly couldn't afford not to work.

 

[Kulindahr]

That's why I said I was possibly mistaken Stardreamer. Simply based on the idea that Republicans have offered nothing that is a substantial change to the policies in place when Bush was in office I cannot in any faith even consider Romney.

That said I can see how Rosen's comments could be the only bit of news folks hear and then it will be repeated ad nauseum of course.

Obama did a nice job recovering from a faux pas he didnt actually make. It will be interesting to see if this stops the hemorrhage of women from the right.

If I could dream, this election, of the groups of non-whites and women, not a single vote would go to the Republicans. Something that drastic just might wake them up.

 

[Stardreamer]

That's why I said I was possibly mistaken Stardreamer. Simply based on the idea that Republicans have offered nothing that is a substantial change to the policies in place when Bush was in office I cannot in any faith even consider Romney.

That said I can see how Rosen's comments could be the only bit of news folks hear and then it will be repeated ad nauseum of course.

Obama did a nice job recovering from a faux pas he didnt actually make. It will be interesting to see if this stops the hemorrhage of women from the right.

I agree but I don't think his first response was to recover as that comment shows he tried to play it into class warfare theme at first then went into recover mode when it became obvious that the whole subject was going to play badly.

 

[JayHawk]

It is a faux pas to suggest that two lawyers couldn't afford not to work. One of them alone would have made double what two parents in households where parents truly couldn't afford not to work.

Depends on what your debt is doesn't it? Didn't both of those lawyers go to pricey schools? I hire DOCTORS all year long who live at a third of my current paycheck because they have to pay malpractice, school debt and aren't getting premium pays yet. Every circumstance is different and you don't know it until you know it.

So your parents are moved towards Romney SOLELY by the Rosen rebuttal by Obama about not being able to work and haven't been listening to the rhetoric about healthcare and all the constructed attacks? I find that one remark very difficult to push people from one to another in when they have such diametrically different ideas.

I just dont see it as that huge an issue if you were in Obama's camp already.

 

[Stardreamer]

It is a faux pas to suggest that two lawyers couldn't afford not to work. One of them alone would have made double what two parents in households where parents truly couldn't afford not to work.

Which is what irritated me, my wife and I made a VERY conscious decision that she was going to dedicate her time to being a full time mother to our children and we've never regretted it. We couldn't afford it on what we made but we made it work so Obama's cheap shot at the Romney's was just that, cheap.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

If I could dream, this election, of the groups of non-whites and women, not a single vote would go to the Republicans. Something that drastic just might wake them up.

Unfortunately, some voters are so filled with anti-Obama butthurt, even if Romney raped & ate a baby on live TV, they'd still vote for Mittens.

 

[Stardreamer]

Unfortunately, some voters are so filled with anti-Obama butthurt, even if Romney raped & ate a baby on live TV, they'd still vote for Mittens.

I'd say there is quite a bit more of that sort of thing on the conservative side but the same sentiment exists on the liberal side as well with Obama. The far left and right have both became so polarized that they view the other side not just as the opposition but as the enemy and fill their image of them with evil intent while ignoring the shortcomings of their own.

 

[JayHawk]

I'd say there is quite a bit more of that sort of thing on the conservative side but the same sentiment exists on the liberal side as well with Obama. The far left and right have both became so polarized that they view the other side not just as the opposition but as the enemy and fill their image of them with evil intent while ignoring the shortcomings of their own.

Yeah but having been on both sides and still considering myself very much independent I wonder how Obama could be better with the array of opposition he is facing. I would have more respect for the republicans if as a group they had admired the very neocon method in which he has hunted and destroyed terrorist. Instead they pretend they wouldn't have done the same thing given the choice. I don't get the impression Obama is blatantly lying when he opens his mouth. I cannot say the same thing for any republican leader I have seen in the last four years

 

[Kulindahr]

Yeah but having been on both sides and still considering myself very much independent I wonder how Obama could be better with the array of opposition he is facing. I would have more respect for the republicans if as a group they had admired the very neocon method in which he has hunted and destroyed terrorist. Instead they pretend they wouldn't have done the same thing given the choice. I don't get the impression Obama is blatantly lying when he opens his mouth. I cannot say the same thing for any republican leader I have seen in the last four years

Back when, I was sorry to see the Republican party change, so I left.

Then, they made me sorry I'd ever been a Republican.

Now, they make me sorry anyone is a Republican.


It's a new and disturbing experience for me to find myself wishing a whole herd of people would drop dead in their tracks.