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Xian pride events should be banned!

The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.

~Lynn Lavner
 
really now? i'd like to meet one of those. cause in my 19 years on this planet i have yet to meet one who doesn't shun gay people.

My best friend is christian. He knows im bisexual and often prefer guys, and he encourages me to find my dream guy, infact whenever I mention any guy i like he says we'd look cute together. And he's not gay, before u ask.
 
It takes no time at all to find the tons of resources from the Christian community in full support of gays and lesbians.

It is called research.

To find resources in anyone's own community, search the words "open and affirming" with your local community or a church body's name - or whatever faith community one wants to know about.

Read Christian Century magazine, or Sojourners, for news that is not carried on Entrtaiment Tonight regarding the Church.

Quit stereotyping others since we of all people as gays and lesbians reject stereotyping. Quit pointing to the lunatic fringe as models of the whole. And yes the pope is behind the times and so is George Bush and since when do we think Bush represents what every American is about? Stop the stereotypes and stop the hate. It begins with each one of us.

A thread title calling for the banning of the events of other people is something that we should be beyond.

And befoe we perpertrate stereotypes, do some research on the National Council of Churches, the World Cpuncil of Churches, Old Catholics in Europe or in America (Old Catholics are distinct church dodies from Roman Catholics), know what it is going on before one blanket condemns.

Amd by the way, I take the hate that is tossed off here towards Christians, and I do throw it in the face of others in the Church who are slow yet to see why the Church must act more clearly and forcefully. Yes, some parts of the Church have been hurtful, more than that, and the whole is responsible, and the hate the is expressed here, I use as examples of what we as Church have done and why ways must be changed ever more forcefully. So what is beibg said here does get used to motivate, to inform, to instruct,

The Church moves slow - as it did with abolition, as it did with civil rights and women's equality, but what other nstitution is moving at all? I confess the sin of the Church but I will not accept the blanket, uninformed condemnations that contain the very sweeping judgmental stereotypical hate that is supposedly protested. All gays... all Christians... all religious people... how easy to make sweeping statements. And how unfounded in every case where it is done.
 
The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.

~Lynn Lavner
That's funny.You can make the points against the hypocrisy and phoniness of some Christians without getting bogged down in nasty,intolerant talk of "Xians"...Hatred and bigotry in return is wrong,never ennobling.
 
Episcopalians

remember a diocese in a conservative state elected a gay bishop - said election ratified by the House of Bishops and the House of Delegates - with over 80 dioceses, less than 10% are getting all the headlines for dissenting - the Episcopal Church is standing behind Gene Robinson and getting no publicity for that

http://www.integrityusa.org/

A witness of God's inclusive love to the Episcopal Church and the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community.

No good thing will God withhold from those who walk with Integrity. Psalm 84:11
 
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"Ain't No Mountain High Enough" - Climbing Mount Kilimanjaro for LGBT Equality View Printable Version

A Benefit for More Light Presbyterians - January 2007
Fundraising goal: $19,340

Michael J. Adee, our National Field Organizer, is climbing the world's tallest free-standing mountain, Kilimanjaro in Tanzania, Africa in January 2007. He is doing this as a benefit to raise money for LGBT Equality in the Presbyterian Church (USA) through More Light Presbyterians.


Photo: Michael in training for the Kilimanjaro benefit climb
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Taking the Supremes' signature Motown hit song "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" as his theme, Michael has been training for this mountain climbing expedition for more than 2 years.

Matching the 19,340 elevation at the top of Kilimanjaro, he has set a fundraising goal of $19,340 for this Benefit. The benefit goal translates into $1 for every foot climbed.

"As an out gay Christian and activist working for LGBT equality in the Presbyterian Church and in society, there are plenty of mountains and valleys. Justice seems so close, at times just over the horizon," said Michael.

Michael has been serving as the National Field Organizer for More Light Presbyterians since May, 1999. He decided to use his sabbatical month for two purposes: to fulfill a life-long dream of climbing Kilimanjaro and to raise money for a cause close to his heart and faith --- spiritual, ordination and marriage equality for LGBT persons and their families through the work of More Light Presbyterians. JeanAnne Swope, also of Santa Fe, New Mexico, MLP supporter and friend is his hiking partner. The expedition and climb is January 7 - 20, 2007.
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A new year, a new Journey... Epiphany & perspective - mountain climbing in Africa View Printable Version
Wednesday, January 03 2007 @ 08:59 AM

Field ReportsFrom our field organizer Michael Adee

More Light Presbyterians & Friends ---

Happy New Year. My hope and prayer is that this new year will be one filled with peace of heart and mind for each of you and those you love. And, may our prayers for peace in the world become reality.

In a few days, we will mark and celebrate the mystery and wonder of Epiphany on January 6. As you know, this tradition is often referred to as the Epiphany of the Lord. It is associated with the visit of the Wise Men from the East, or the Three Kings as often displayed in church Christmas pageants. Isaiah 60: 1- 6 and Matthew 2: 1- 12 are the Biblical texts.
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Advent Reflections & Shades of Pink ...the Third Sunday of Advent View Printable Version
Tuesday, December 19 2006 @ 06:35 AM

Field Reports

From our field organizer Michael Adee

Of Advent and Christmas, Madeline L'Engle in her book, The Winter of the Heart, said: "This is the irrational season when love blooms bright and wild. Had Mary been filled with reason, there'd have been no room for the Child."

Today is the third Sunday in Advent. The third candle is Joy and its color is pink. Why is this candle different from the others? Some would say, this candle is pink as the color of the Rose that blooms in the midst of winter echoing the promise of the prophet Isaiah that even in the desert there would be life and a blossom.

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Michael Adee on ABC News View Printable Version
Monday, December 11 2006 @ 11:08 PM

Our MLP field organizer Michael Adee was interviewed on ABC News. While the PCUSA does not yet embrace LGBT persons in full membership and ministry, it's not a violation of PCUSA rules to ordain LGBT people - see the first question in the MLP legal FAQ.
Gay Man Uses Pulpit to Fight for Acceptance
Issue of Ordaining Homosexuals Threatens Schism in Mainline Churches By LAURA MARQUEZ

Dec. 9, 2006 - Michael Adee is one of the very few openly gay elders in the Presbyterian Church. He was ordained by a liberal church in Santa Fe, New Mexico -- a direct violation of church law. [MLP web editor's note: this isn't accurate - see the MLP legal FAQ]

Adee would like to take the next step and become a pastor who performs sacraments such as baptism and marriage, but that's unlikely unless the church changes its policy.

Asked if he has a problem with being a member of a denomination that refuses to ordain gay and lesbian ministers, he answered, "Yes, I would be disingenuous if I say anything else."
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Synod of the Trinity blocks enforcement of Pittsburgh Presbytery's anti-LGBT resolution View Printable Version
Sunday, December 10 2006 @ 03:45 PM

We've received news that the Permanent Judicial Commission (PJC) of the Synod of the Trinity has issued a stay of enforcement of Pittsburgh Presbytery's un-tenet-able resolution which that Presbytery passed in October. Continued Presbyterian court fights over issues of sexuality are likely to continue until the denomination finally realizes that the right thing to do is remove G6.0106b, which is the legislative source of the problem.

The request for a stay of enforcement was submitted in November as part of a formal remedial complaint by the sessions and ministers of Sixth Presbyterian (More Light) and East Liberty Presbyterian. At the end of November, the Synod of the Trinity sent notice that the stay of enforcement of Pittsburgh Presbytery's anti-LGBT resolution had been granted.

The Synod of the Trinity PJC is presently scheduled to meet in May 2007, at which point a hearing is likely on whether the Pittsburgh resolution should be overturned.






PCUSA Stated Clerk's September 2006 letter View Printable Version
Sunday, December 10 2006 @ 03:21 PM

To catch us up on some news from a few months back: at least partly in response to ongoing Presbytery-level anti-LGBT efforts to pass un-tenet-able overtures - which typically seek to turn every use of the word "shall" in the Book of Order into an essential of religious faith - PCUSA Stated Clerk Clifton Kirkpatrick sent the following letter to Stated Clerks throughout the denomination. This is in essence a "you can't do that" letter which calls out some specific types of Presbytery actions as prohibited under national denomational rules.

A full copy of the text of the letter (minus some formatting) is below, and a PDF copy is also available online.

Office of the General Assembly

September 8, 2006

To Presbytery Stated Clerks
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)

Dear Colleagues:

I hope all of you are doing well as we begin a new program year in the life of the church. I continue to be grateful for your good leadership in the presbyteries of our church and count it a great blessing to be your friend and colleague in this ministry.

This is a challenging time to be stated clerks. I know that in certain parts of our church there are deep disagreements and anxieties over actions of the 217th General Assembly, ordination standards, the trust clause, and the future of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). So, while it is a challenging time, I believe it is also a time in which our calling to strengthen the ecclesial life of the church and to encourage faithfulness to our Constitution is more crucial than ever.

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MLP Houston event, December 11: New Covenant Holiday Celebration View Printable Version
Saturday, December 09 2006 @ 10:51 AM

More Light Presbyterians & Friends ----

For those of you in the Metro Houston, Texas area interested in being part of a welcoming and affirming Presbyterian community of friends working for acceptance and equality for LGBT persons in both church and society --- or if you have family or friends in that area, please forward this invitation to them. Thank you.

You are invited to join the New Covenant More Light chapter for a special holiday celebration gathering and fellowship meal.

December 11, 2006
6:00 PM at the home of Clark Chamberlain at 12909 Texaco, Houston, Texas 77013.
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12/7: Advent More Light Celebration in Phoenix, AZ View Printable Version
Wednesday, December 06 2006 @ 06:50 AM

More Light Presbyterians & Friends ----

Advent & More Light Celebration Phoenix - please share or forward this invitation with those you know in the Phoenix area - thanks!

December 7, 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM
LaMadeline Restaurant & French Bakery
3102 East Camelback Road
Phoenix, AZ 85016

You are cordially invited to join us for a special Advent & More Light Celebration gathering of More Light Presbyterians and friends with the Grand Canyon MLP Chapter, Phoenix. All are welcome. Please invite partners, spouses, family and friends to join you.
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World AIDS Day - Dec. 1st 2006 View Printable Version
Wednesday, November 29 2006 @ 12:20 PM

Field ReportsMore Light Presbyterians & Friends --

December 1st is World AIDS Day. It is a day of remembrance, ministry and action. HIV/AIDS has been with us for more than 25 years. College and high school students have not known a world or life without HIV.

"Stop AIDS. Keep the Promise" is the World AIDS Day Campaign theme for 2006.
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"Tough for Gays to Keep the Faith" - Janet Edwards story in the Washington Blade View Printable Version
Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 07:07 PM

Notes from our field organizer Michael Adee, with a recent article from the Washington Blade

More Light Presbyterians & Friends ---

Tough for gays to keep the faith: tackling homophobia, heterosexism & other sins

Elizabeth Perry's national article today reviews recent anti-gay activity within the Presbyterian Church (USA), North Carolina Baptists and the recent meeting of U.S. Catholic Bishops.

Perry arrives at the conclusion those of us who are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender understand all too well because we live it - we are living through it - we are working for change in the midst of it -- homophobia and heterosexism are testing the boundaries of the Gospel, what it means to be a Christian, and whether we will follow Jesus' teaching and example of loving God, neighbor and self, or not.

Christianity has been here before --- in the other life and death matters of racism, slavery and segregation and the civil rights movement; and sexism, the subordination of women and the equal rights movement for women. Racism and sexism persist, even when illegal, immoral and un-Christian. Homophobia and heterosexism persists, even if still legal in the USA and too many of our churches and denominations -- and homophobia & heterosexism are immoral, un-Christian and antithetical to reason, science and compassion.
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events in England

http://www.changingattitude.org.uk/news/newsitem.asp?id=270

A response to the conservative evangelical Covenant
Friday, 15 December 2006

by Colin Coward


On Tuesday December 12th 2006 a small group from Reform, Anglican Mainstream and other conservative evangelical groups met with the Archbishop of Canterbury and presented ‘A Covenant for the Church of England‘.

Changing Attitude interprets the Covenant as a further step in the attempt by certain Anglican groups to exclude lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Anglicans who fall in love and commit themselves to faithful, intimate relationship, from the life and ministry of the church.

Changing Attitude is an organisation of lay people, priests and bishops who are members of the Church of England, part of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church, sharing with others throughout the world a commitment to biblical truth and the Anglican Communion. We are in fellowship with Anglicans historically and globally. We are committed to strengthen this fellowship, praying, believing and working for a restored, reformed and renewed Church of England, holding its traditional convictions, confident in the truth of God in his Word, in the birth, life, teaching, death and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ for the world and for the whole of creation. In the power of God’s Spirit we are committed to continue the transforming work of Jesus Christ in the world.

Most of these phrases can be found in the Covenant statement. We use them too, with integrity, because we too are committed Anglicans. The Covenant asserts that the authors are authentic, orthodox Anglicans as if we are not. We are! With them we are authentic, orthodox Anglicans; authentic because we are members not of a narrow, exclusive, confessional sect but a broad, inclusive, holy people of God; orthodox because we too are committed to the classic formularies of our tradition. Such is the sometimes disparate but honest nature of Anglicanism.

Changing Attitude is also committed to the full inclusion of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in the Church of England and the Anglican Communion. We are committed to the listening process authorised by the Windsor Report. We are committed to the Archbishop of Canterbury, our bishops and the structure of our church, not uncritically, but conforming to the authority of our bishops, canons and church teaching. Without these authorities we risk becoming an undisciplined, independent sect. We are committed to work for creative change within the church, not to the formation of an alternative or parallel Anglican church. We challenge church thinking and tradition about LGBT people and we are still committed Anglicans.

Covenant or manifesto?

The Covenant is not a covenant so much as a manifesto for an understanding of mission designed to exclude particular categories of Anglicans. The manifesto is intended to put pressure on the Archbishop of Canterbury and intimidate other Anglicans who have been drawn by God to different patterns of faith and worship.

The proposed Covenant has a threatening quality rather than the qualities of promise and faithfulness found in God‘s covenant with us. It is individualistic and selfish in intent, a statement of narcissistic factional self-concern. It seems to arise from the unhealthy cultural tendency of our secular society to individualism, a statement about individual needs, about what we want from the church on our terms. It suggests that any one group has the right to patrol the space and its parameters.

Changing Attitude has a wider vision, not limited by God’s call to mission alone or the human failure to capture the immense and unfathomable riches of God’s glory. Our vision is of the goodness and love of God, poured out on human kind, sinners on the way, open to grasp in human weakness ‘the breadth and length and height and depth of Christ’s love, and to know it, though it is beyond knowledge.’ We do this, hoping that we too may be filled with the very fullness of God. (Ephesians 3.18,19)

Mission

Changing Attitude is a missionary organisation. God came near to us on earth in vulnerable human form in Jesus Christ who commanded us to “go … to all nations and make them my disciples; baptise them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to observe all that I have commanded you.“ …because he promised in Jesus Christ to be “’with you always, to the end of time’” (Matthew 28.19,20). Jesus invited his followers to do all that he commanded us but not to bind ourselves unthinkingly to rules and laws. Jesus gave us a new commandment, to love one another as I have loved you. Changing Attitude follows this commandment and this is the missionary Gospel we take to the world.

Human systems and structures

All human systems, religious and secular, are subject to misdirection and failure and are therefore at risk of being sinful. The history of the church can be written as the story of those who thought they could recover purity and truth, only to be thwarted by the inevitable failures of their own vision. When this Covenant refers to those with a faulty view of revelation, false teaching and indiscipline, the authors may as well be referring to themselves rather than other Anglican groups such as Changing Attitude, who are presumably in their sights.

The historic structures and systems of the Church of England are not always well adapted to change. The inertia and bureaucracy of our church can be frustrating and frustrate mission. Yet our church is radically different from the church of 1900 or 1800. Our church adapts and changes organically in response to God’s activity in human hearts and minds and in the world. The Covenant dreams of a church freed from an over-centralised structure which stifles the natural development of ministry - it is a seductive dream.

Change happens slowly in bureaucratic, top-down systems. Synodical government works through a mechanism of checks and balances. This enables the church to formulate new ideas and structures that evolve organically. Changing Attitude wishes that the evolution of church policy to fully include LGBT Anglicans were happening more quickly. We are at the same time committed to work for change with our bishops and within the system, valuing the creative work undertaken in Church House.

The Covenant advocates permeable ecclesiastical legal boundaries so that there cannot be any no-go areas for gospel growth and church planting. ‘Set us free from the stifling effect of timid, unimaginative structures’ is the rallying cry of the Covenant authors. Parish boundaries are already being ignored by leaders who believe they have a right to provide alternative, ‘pure’ pastoral care and teaching where they deem a parish or priest to be in error. The Communion is also being subjected to a free for all approach to Provincial boundaries.

Changing Attitude welcomes imaginative, creative expressions of ministry and evangelism, especially those which reach out to marginalized groups and communicate the Christian gospel in vibrant, inspiring ways. But we are suspicious of the call to ignore official permission for action when it is subjectively viewed to have been ‘unreasonably withheld’. The advocacy of leaders raised up locally and trained in a Biblically orthodox way is code for ‘no gay or lesbian priests or bishops’.

Oversight

Changing Attitude is not asking the Church of England to provide LGBT Anglicans with alternative oversight from bishops who are known to be gay-affirming. We live in relationship with our bishops, some of whom are very affirming while others are blind to our Christian fidelity and love. They are still the bishops chosen and consecrated by our Church with whom we work and love and challenge. They are our leaders and our servants in the Gospel, there to protect the well-being of all.

Fellowship

Changing Attitude supporters submits to God’s revelation in the person of Jesus Christ. We are Gospel-focused, Christ-centred, cross-shaped and Spirit-empowered people. Many of our supporters hold a progressive view of revelation. We value our God-given human reason, through which God grants us insights into Scripture. We are shaped by western culture just as Nigerian, Australian, Argentinian and Sri Lankan Anglicans are shaped by their own culture.

The Church of England is not a confessing church. It is an Episcopal, Synodical and Parochial church. It is a church with ‘informal networks of fellowship‘, Changing Attitude being one of those networks. Changing Attitude disagrees with those who believe the church has compromised the ‘clear teaching of the Scriptures’ on issues of gender, sex and marriage. We believe the church is learning about gender, sex and marriage, guided by God, inspired by the Scriptures. We will endeavour to maintain Christian fellowship with those who disagree with us in good conscience.

Conclusion

The Communion is at risk, not from the presence of LGBT people, because we have always been present in the Anglican Church. Now we are becoming more visible in every Province. The risk to the Communion comes from those who, to achieve their own ends, are throwing the church into chaos by the pursuit of selfish individualism. There is a dogmatic agenda behind the attempts to control both the outcome of church process and the exploration of new understandings of human nature inspired by God. The danger lying behind the belief that my idea alone is right and true, will serve God better than any other and save the church is abuse - the abuse of any person deemed to be apostate. It is from this attitude that prejudice against LGBT is fuelled.

The sweep of the Bible and especially of the Gospels is broad, complex, subtle, challenging and inspiring. God discloses himself from Genesis to Revelation, but above all in his Son, the Word made flesh. The God disclosed in the Bible is transcendent and intimate, gentle and infinite, self-giving and demanding, relational and faithful.

Changing Attitude has a deep desire to remain in the same room with those who differ from us. This is a mark of our Anglican roots - to sit truthfully, acknowledging our differences which sometimes seem unbridgeable, knowing there is a greater reality which unites us. We have done this in numerous different contexts in 2006. We remain committed to encounter and dialogue across difference. God has made us all different.

We accept the uncomfortable challenge with which God presents us, a challenge which the Covenant authors seem to find difficult. That God in his sometimes incomprehensible, challenging wisdom, wants us to remain Anglican bedfellows.
 
evangelical news in Alabama

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w061211&s=redman121406

Evangelical churches join the gay rights vanguard.
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by Daniel Redman
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Walk into Covenant Community Church of Birmingham, Alabama, on a Sunday morning, and you'll see a scene reminiscent of any other evangelical church across the state. The sanctuary is crowded with congregants greeting each other before the service. The minister chats with the deacons, the organist arranges his music on the stand, and children escape their parent's grasp momentarily to run up and down the aisles. But Covenant is unlike most churches in Alabama. Its pastor, J.R. Finney II, is gay. So are most of its congregants. Founded in 1981 with 12 members in an unmarked storefront, today Finney preaches to a flock of 350 in a two-building complex that can barely contain the congregation's growing numbers. And, while Covenant is the largest gay church in the state, it is not alone. From major cities like Montgomery and Huntsville to working-class towns like Gadsden, gay-led, gay-founded churches are flourishing in the heart of the conservative South, providing gay Alabamans with a supportive environment in which to worship. Across the state, there are six gay-focused churches, and even more "open and affirming" Episcopal, Unitarian, and United Church of Christ congregations.

Yet these churches represent more than the spiritual side of Alabama's gay community; they act as its political center. Since 1969, when the rebellion at New York's Stonewall Inn gave rise to the modern gay rights movement, gay communities across the country have fought for equal rights mostly through secular organizations. But, in Alabama, where 78 percent of residents identify themselves as born-again Christians, these churches are at the forefront of the gay rights movement.



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Last November, Patricia Todd became the first openly gay politician elected to the state legislature in Alabama history, after winning the Democratic primary by only 59 votes. Members of Equality Alabama, the premier secular gay rights lobbying organization in the state, lent their support to her campaign, filling many key volunteer positions on her campaign committee.

And, while that support was crucial, it was arguably Covenant that put Todd over the top. Located in her Birmingham district, it is the representative-elect's "church of choice." During Todd's campaign, Finney invited her to the pulpit to address the congregation. And, in the weeks leading up to the election, Finney urged his congregants to go out and vote. "His leadership was instrumental," Todd says, and, because of it, "probably more people went to the polls than normally would." Following her election, Todd asked Finney to serve on her district's advisory committee.

That kind of activism is par for Covenant's course. In 1999, when gay Alabaman Billy Jack Gaither was murdered, the victim of a brutal hate crime, Covenant organized an anti-hate rally and memorial service that drew 500 people. When Equality Alabama held a rally against the proposed ballot initiative banning same-sex marriage just before the vote in June 2006, 70 percent of attendees came from Covenant. (The church cancelled its Bible study so members could go.) And, in 2002, Equality Alabama's leadership asked for Finney's help when they held a rally in Montgomery to protest the state's sodomy law. "We were able to get 60 people in two days' time, and that's 90 miles away," Finney says. They accounted for the majority of the 100-person crowd at the demonstration.

And Covenant is far from alone. Huntsville's Spirit of the Cross Church is also central to gay political organizing in the state. "Typical 'queer Bob' and 'lesbian Lisa' might not know that Equality Alabama exists," Spirit's pastor, Richard Barham, says. But "most of them would know about the church." In 2002, when Chief Justice Roy Moore of the state Supreme Court issued a ruling condemning homosexuality as "inherent evil" and calling for the state to use its "power of the sword" to fight sodomy, Barham railed against the opinion in his Sunday sermon. When he demanded volunteers to help formulate a state-wide response, Barham says that, out of a congregation of 100, "I had 60 or 70 volunteers within 15 minutes ready to do whatever" was needed. In Montgomery, when the Montgomery Gay and Lesbian Alliance needed a place to meet and recruit members, Reverend Jo Ann Crisco opened the doors of New Hope Metropolitan Community Church. "We gave them space to meet, and [the congregation] turned out en masse," Crisco says.

Some church leaders worry about being too political. "Our first job is to do church," Barham says. He is also careful to note that his congregants are not a "standing army" of activists, though he admits that, "if there is an issue like Roy Moore or a particular bill, we can mobilize." Others aren't so concerned. "That's part of who we are," Finney says of Covenant's political advocacy.

But, even by simply "doing church," these pastors and reverends advance the cause of gay rights, acting as ambassadors to straight Alabama. In a place where "there's people who won't buy a tire from someone who's not a Christian," as Reverend Renee Carroll of Gadsden's Cornerstone Metropolitan Community Church puts it, a shared religious vocabulary is vital for making the case for gay rights--something secular groups lack.

Finney recalls a recent visit to an evangelical church that Covenant was considering purchasing, since it has outgrown its current location. After the visit, he received a call from the bishop's sister, who told him "how blown away they were by us, by the love of our congregation." She not only invited Covenant's choir to come and sing at the inaugural service of their new sanctuary, but she also suggested that the two churches join forces in HIV/AIDS ministry. "This never would have happened under normal circumstances," Finney says.

Oakwood College, a fundamentalist Seventh Day Adventist school in Huntsville that prohibits "violation of the biblical teaching regarding sexual morality" in its student handbook, invites Barham to speak to social work classes. The classes also regularly visit Barham's church to dispel stereotypes about the gay community. And, while Howard Bayless of Equality Alabama and Finney often appear together on panels, Finney is the one who groups like Oakwood call when they want someone to address spiritual issues. "That's important," Finney says, "because, sometimes, it's easier to make an impact in that situation then a political situation." At least four times a year, professors at Samford University--an institution the Princeton Review ranked one of the top ten least gay-accepting schools--invite Finney to speak to their classes about his theological views and his experiences as a gay minister. "Almost every time I do it," Finney says, "someone comes up to me to say I've made them rethink what they were taught." A local, predominantly black religious radio station invited Finney, who is black, to speak about issues facing gay Christians for a live program. There was such a huge response that the station brought Finney back the next week.

Reverend Felicia Fontaine of Soulforce Alabama, a pro-gay interfaith group with members all over the state, also finds that shared religious values can open doors that might otherwise remain closed. "The fact that I'm a Christian lends me greater credibility--absolutely," she says. Even Roy Moore agreed to meet with her to speak "Christian to Christian." "He took that very seriously, and he said so," Fontaine says. Time and again, she recalls, especially in the course of working with the family pastors of gay AIDS victims, "pastors have told me, 'I thought I was pretty clear on these matters, but I've got to admit I've got to take another look, because I can't deny what I have seen.'" Fontaine says that the pastors saw that "not only were these 'aliens' not evil--they were loving, spiritual, and often explicitly Christian." They saw "gay pastors doing the same things they do with their congregants."



To be sure, secular organizations contribute greatly to Alabama's gay rights movement. Equality Alabama reaches 2,000 people through its e-mail list and has experience lobbying the legislature that the churches lack. But, with just a handful of gay-friendly representatives in the state parliament, its influence is limited. In Alabama, where there are more than 8,000 same-sex couples--four times the number in Vermont, which became the first state to grant civil unions in 2000--the fundamental problem is invisibility. "I had my own legislator tell me there were no gay people in his district," Fontaine says. According to one Covenant member, "Many [gay] people still believe what they were taught--that we're unworthy of God's love and that we're second-class citizens."

The church, however, convinced fellow church member Luwanna Rhodes to speak up. "Several years ago, I never thought I would be political," she says. "But as I've grown spiritually and realized that God is OK with who I am, I can be a voice for people that are not able to come out." With that mustard seed, a new kind of gay activism is taking root across the state of Alabama.
 
straight evangelical support

http://straightnotnarrow.blogspot.com/2006/12/gay-and-evangelical.html

About Me

Jim Johnson
I am a white, straight man who is happily married to Brenda, a pastor at our church. I want to do my part to help people understand what the Lord REALLY told us in the Bible and continues to teach us through the Holy Spirit. GLBT people are not second class citizens in the Kingdom of God, they are full brothers and siters with everyone else.
 
inclusion in the United Church of Canada

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_ucc.htm

Depending on how church size is defined, the United Church of Canada is either the largest or next to largest Protestant denomination:
bullet About 3.1 million Canadians identify themselves with the United Church of Canada. 3 The church reports 684,000 confirmed members. 4
bullet Fewer (about 2.2 million) Canadians identify themselves as Anglicans, However, the church reports 737,000 confirmed members -- more than the United Church.

This is the most liberal of the larger Protestant denominations in Canada. It is exceeded in size only by the Roman Catholic church. It was formed in 1925 by a merger of most congregations of the Association of Congregational Churches in Canada, the Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church in Canada. Some Presbyterian congregations remained part of a separate mainline religious organization; some Methodists split off to form the very conservative Free Methodist church. From its birth, it has had to accommodate a diversity of theological beliefs. It has had a history of tackling publicly the really tough social issues. Some cynics might say that they have a continual urge to shoot themselves in the foot, or to form a circular firing squad. It can be argued that they lose membership whenever they enter into one of these debates. But they have also gained members, partly because of the respect that Canadians have for the Church's courage, openness, and inclusiveness. Less courageous liberal and mainline denominations often follow where the United Church has led.

In the mid-1930, the hot topic was the ordination of women, a matter that they had inherited from their founding churches. The debates were fierce. The liberals within the congregation quoted scriptures that showed that there should be no differentiation between male and female in Christianity. The conservatives quoted other scriptures about women keeping quiet in church, and not taking positions of leadership. There was fear that the debates would split the church. Centuries of tradition were cited. Tempers ran high. Finally, formal sexism in the church came to an end when Lydia Gruchy was ordained as their first female minister in 1936. The church survived and grew.

A half century later, the entire sequence was repeated. Quotations from the Bible were cited; fears of a split in the church arose once again. This time, the topic was homosexuality. The General Council of the United Church of Canada in 1988-AUG decided to stop barring openly gay or lesbian people from the ministry.

We describe events leading up to the 1988 decision in some detail, because a similar sequence it is likely to be repeated in other religious organizations in the future:
bullet 1972: the Church's General Council commissioned a comprehensive study of human sexuality
bullet 1980: a task force on sexuality presented its report In God's Image...Male and Female. It concluded: ..."there is no reason in principle why mature, self-accepting homosexuals, any more than mature, self-accepting heterosexuals, should not be ordained or commissioned.". The General Council called for more study.

An openly lesbian candidate applied for ordination to the Hamilton [ON] Conference, but was turned down because of her sexual orientation. The Hamilton Conference later asked the United Church to specifically bar homosexuals from the ministry.
bullet 1982: Representatives of homosexual groups across Canada formed Affirm, a mutual support group of United Church homosexual members.

The Church established a task group to study sexual orientation and the ministry. They received input from the newly created Affirm group. They also listened to the United Church Renewal Fellowship (UCRF) a conservative group which was formed in 1966 to promote a return to traditional values within the church.
bullet 1984: Their task group's report, Sexual Orientation and the Eligibility for the Order of Ministry was issued. Section E, Recommendation 7.1.2 recommended:

"That in and of itself, sexual orientation should not be a factor determining membership in the Order of Ministry of the United Church of Canada"

Response from the church membership (to judge by letters to the editor of their official publication The United Church Observer) was over 85% negative. The UCRF prepared an article Healing for the Homosexual, Healing for the Church which argued that the solution to "The Issue" was to convert homosexuals to heterosexuality.

At the General Council of 1984, a motion was presented to recognize two members of Affirm as non-voting, corresponding members. It was narrowly defeated. This triggered the creation of a new group within the United Church Friends of Affirm. Council decided to postpone a decision on "The Issue" until a subsequent meeting (1986 or 1988). The National Coordinating Group for the Programme of Study and Dialogue on Sexual Orientations, Lifestyles and Ministry was created.
bullet 1988: Many hundreds of local discussion groups had debated "The Issue". About 90% of their reports were opposed to ordaining non-heterosexuals. The National Coordinating Group... issued its final report in early 1988. They deviated from the clear message sent by the local groups by recommending:
bullet that the church welcome "sexually active single adults, lesbian, gay and bisexual people into all aspects of the life and ministry of the Church"
bullet that the church "develop liturgies celebrating their covenantal relationships"

The reaction by members and their congregations was explosive. A conservative Committee of Concern was organized to oppose the report; they issued a Declaration of Dissent. A poll taken by the Church revealed that only 28% of the membership favored the admission of active homosexuals into the ministry.

At the General Council, two members of Affirm and one member from the Committee of Concern (COC) were elected as non-voting corresponding members (delegates). A group of Christian, anti-homosexual Fundamentalists from the United States crashed the meeting and attempted to disrupt proceedings. They were gently ejected. Their open display of hatred for gays and lesbians may well have changed many delegates' minds in favor of homosexual ordination; it is impossible to tell. After much heated debate and maneuvering, Council passed a resolution with approximately a 3:1 vote:

"A) That all persons, regardless of their sexual orientation, who profess Jesus Christ and obedience to Him, are welcome to be or become full member of the Church. B) All members of the Church are eligible to be considered for the Ordered Ministry."

A strange event had happened. The majority of delegates had come to the Council with a bias against ordaining homosexuals, but with an open mind. They heard the heart wrenching testimonies of devout gay and lesbian church members; many probably met an openly homosexual person for the first time in their life; they debated little else among themselves; they searched their souls and prayed to learn God's will. And most changed their mind!

The resolution was subsequently amended to include:

"that all Christian people are called to a lifestyle patterned on obedience to Jesus Christ."

Another resolution was passed that called for more discussion and examination of "The Issue" and to urge the church to fight discrimination against homosexuals both in and beyond the church.

The CBC Archives contain TV news coverage of the events of 1988-AUG-24. 6
bullet Status in 1998: In common with most liberal Christian churches in Canada, membership within the United Church has been continuously decreasing for 3 decades. Active churchgoing has also declined in the country generally. Polls show that only about 20% of the adult population. The reality of the situation is probably a great deal worse, because close monitoring of some counties in the U.S. and Canada have indicated that polls typically double the number of regular churchgoers. It is difficult to determine how much of the decline after 1988 was due to "The Issue". Some congregations have left the United Church; others have split. The Committee of Concern, Church Alive, The National Association of Covenanting Congregations and the United Church Renewal Fellowship have criticized the headquarters staff for ram-rodding radical legislation through council and for stifling freedom of speech. These conclusions are difficult to support: Of the almost 400 voting delegates to the 1988 Council, half were clergy and half laity; only 5 were from the Church headquarters. No minister seems to have lost his/her position by speaking out against the decision.

Three Councils have passed and left the resolution intact. An openly gay candidate for the ministry has been ordained. The four conservative renewal groups listed above continue to hold national Faithfulness Today meetings. In 1990, they attracted 700 participants; in 1994, there were 400. In 1996, about 225 people attended.
bullet 1998-NOV: The World Council of Churches (WCC) represents over 300 Protestant, Anglican and Orthodox denominations with a total membership of about 400 million Christians. They meet every 7 years; in 1998-DEC, the Council met in Zimbabwe. Considerable tension was experienced at the meeting over homosexuality. 2 More details.
bullet 2000-AUG: "The 37th General Council affirmed that human sexual orientations, whether heterosexual or homosexual, are a gift from God and part of the marvelous diversity of creation." 5
bullet 2003-AUG: The 38th General Council decided "to call upon the Government of Canada to recognize same-sex marriages in marriage legislation." 5
bullet 2005-FEB-01: The United Church of Canada, Canada's largest Protestant denomination, congratulated the government of Canada on its proposed same-sex marriage (SSM) law which the Church called a "win-win solution in the same-sex marriage debate." Rev. Dr. Jim Sinclair, General Secretary of the General Council, said: "Marriage will be enhanced, not diminished, religious freedom will be protected, not threatened, and Canadian society will be strengthened, not weakened, as a result of this legislation."

Jackie Harper, as Church's program staff for Family Ministries, said: "A significant, unique contribution that the United Church brings to this debate is the denomination's own experience of making same-sex marriage ceremonies available to its members and, at the same time, respecting the right of those within the denomination who are opposed to such services...Religious marriage is not, and cannot be, affected by the proposed legislation. All faith communities in Canada, whatever their views on same-sex marriage, have the absolute right to determine for themselves who will be eligible for religious marriage within their communities. This includes the right to determine whether the community will offer religious marriages to interfaith couples, to divorced couples, or to couples who are not members of the community." 5
 
Uniting Church in Australia

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/17/1058035135925.html

Church votes for gay clergy

By Barney Zwartz
Religious Affairs Writer
July 18, 2003

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After 21 years of agonising, followed by four days of passionate argument, the decision took a mere 15 seconds.

Uniting Church of Australia president Dean Drayton put proposal 84 to the national assembly, and some 90 per cent of the 267 delegates raised orange (affirmative) cards.

The vote made it explicit that the Uniting Church approves gay and lesbian clergy. This either formally ratified existing practice, as the leadership insisted, or created new doctrine, as opponents claimed.

In any event, it is the only mainstream church in Australia to do so, in a day when passions ran high, and the tension left several delegates in tears.

"I'm proud at being part of a very brave church," said lesbian minister Dorothy McRae-McMahon after the vote.
 
Old Catholic Church, Switzerland

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/...l?siteSect=105&sid=6817696&cKey=1150533957000

A Swiss offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church is to become the country's first officially recognised church to bless same-sex couples on a nationwide basis.

The move has been welcomed by the gay rights group, Pink Cross, but the Roman Catholic Bishops Conference is questioning whether it is merely a publicity stunt to attract new members.



The Old Catholic Church, which parted ways with Rome in 1870, voted at its national synod to offer gay congregation members the possibility of a church blessing. In June last year Swiss voters approved a new law allowing gay couples to register their partnerships.

"It's a blessing for couples – not only homosexual or lesbian – but for all sorts of relationships, for instance older people who don't want to marry again," Maja Weyermann, spokeswoman for the 14,000-strong Old Catholics, told swissinfo.

The decision to bless same-sex couples follows a report by the Old Catholic Church's commission on "Homosexuality and the Church". In it, the commission makes it clear that gays should have the same rights within the church and that the church should respond to their needs.

"The traditional view of many churches is that homosexuality is something that does not exist within the Church. Homosexual behaviour is still condemned by many churches around the world," said Weyermann.

"We see homosexuality as something that exists in nature and human beings, and we must accept it as given by God."

Old Catholics stress that the blessing for same-sex couples will be distinct from the traditional marriage sacrament. Even so, they are expecting a rough ride from other churches in Switzerland.

"I don't think we will be isolated but there will be some distance between us and other churches for a time," said Weyermann.

According to Weyermann, Old Catholics faced opposition from other churches when they decided to ordain women priests back in 2000.


Gay rights



Jean-Paul Guisan, spokesman for Pink Cross, welcomed the fact that "a descendant of the Catholic Church" had adopted a positive view of gay relationships.

"It is very encouraging, although it is only a very small church," said Guisan, who is also the founder of a gay Christian group in Geneva. "But it is interesting to see that in Switzerland there are churches that are prepared to recognise gay partnerships."

He pointed out that many churches continued to treat gays as second-class citizens, even though he said there was no distinction in the eyes of God.

Mario Galgano, spokesman for the Swiss Bishops Conference, made it clear that there were "big differences" between Roman Catholics and Old Catholics, and questioned what really lay behind the decision to offer blessings to gay couples.

"I think they have done this because in our society – even among Catholics – people are more tolerant towards homosexuals," said Galgano. "I hope that they have not done it simply to make publicity for their church. If this is the case, I don't think they will have much success."

The Old Catholic Church denied that the move was designed to boost its profile.
 
Because hatred against gays is their meal ticket, the key to their leaders remaining in power. Without us to hate and bash and kill they'd murder each other, as they have by long habit and by the thousands.

bullshit

try reading the rest of the thread
 
Why do they dress like that?

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I know, right? Last time I checked, Members Only Jackets were not back in style. And look at this guy:

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White after Labor Day? Are you kidding?
 
From the CIA World Factbook



33.03% of the world is Christian (the vast majority of them being xians). Of the 33%, 17.33% are Roman Catholic - the majority of the Christian faith. I think you'll find that the Pope does in fact speak for them. The Vatican is the place handing down the anti-gay hate, courtesy of the Bible..


The numbers you give do not add up. Check those percentages for Protestants and Orthodox again, those are way off, in the paragraph you cite they are way off. And while the bishop of Rome is the head of the Roman church, many catholics don't feel he speaks for them - I'll think you find.

And the Vatican would be surprised that its main reliance is on the Scriptures rather than tradition and teaching. The Vatican is not the redoubt of sola scriptura.

As for what the Bible teaches, I doubt you can speak authoritatively for that. That has been much discussed at JUB, and your statement excludes several centuries of Biblical studies that are well establushed and mainstream understandings taught today.

For you to say
seems to be lacking of your outrage at the thought of people banning gay gatherings.
betrays a total ignorance of anyting I posted in this thread or elsewhere. Assumptions, bro, are not facts. You are way off base and out of line with your assumptions on what I believe. I have been in the battle all of my life, not sitting outside taking potshots.

Those people who you took to task (properly) for their hatred (and here we need a mirror) are not representative of Christians, the English, or human beings, only their own selves.
 
I cannot speak authoritatively on the Bible, nor would I claim to, but the Vatican does. Yes, they rely on the scriptures which is why I said "courtesy of the Bible." But it's just not Catholics. Look at almost all the Protestants, Baptists and Evangelicals.

the Bible is not the base of authority for Roman Catholics - tradition is, the seven ecumenical councils and the canon law as it has come to us mediating tradition.

I have posted a ton of statements from other church bodies of all kinds which you have not read
 
and you are wrong on baptists, who are far more diverse that you understand

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_abc.htm

Welcoming and Affirming Baptists (W&A)

Some ABC/USA congregations and individuals have joined the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists. They welcome and affirm gay, lesbian and bisexual members, and advocate for the ordination of openly gay clergy in the ABC. Many W&A congregations also bless the unions of committed gay and lesbian couples. The association was formed during the 1991 Biennial meeting of the denomination at Charleston WV. By 1995 30 churches and organizations within the ABC/USA had joined. In accordance with the non-creedal Baptist tradition, the W&A does not require its members to agree to a standard statement of belief or intent. They ask that each potential member submit their own W&A statement.
 
Because hatred against gays is their meal ticket, the key to their leaders remaining in power. Without us to hate and bash and kill they'd murder each other, as they have by long habit and by the thousands.

read this and see if you can make the same statement

http://i.ucc.org/Default.aspx?tabid=90&articleType=ArticleView&articleId=88

An address at the Wisconsin Conference Annual Meeting
The Rev. John H. Thomas
General Minister and President, United Church of Christ
June 10, 2006

Early this week I read a memorial tribute to Dale Turner, a colleague in the United Church of Christ who had a distinguished career in Seattle as pastor of University Congregational Church and as a columnist for The Seattle Times for over twenty years. I was struck by a quote attributed to Dale reflecting on his willingness to speak out on tough moral issues, including support for the civil rights movement and for the rights of gay and lesbian persons, and opposition to the Vietnam War. Dale said, "A divided church that stands for something is better than a united church that stands for nothing." That’s a challenging and provocative statement. And I can hear most of you saying what I found myself thinking, "yes, but. . . ." Yet doesn’t this statement capture in a compelling way what we’ve been struggling with as a church? Yearning for unity? Seeking to stand for a world of justice and peace? Can’t we have it all? A divided church that stands for something is better than a united church that stands for nothing. How about a united church that stands for something?

The source of this quote was not, by the way, a harsh, stern, unbending prophet, caring more for agendas than for people, but a pastor deeply admired for his compassion for all. Other words attributed to him include this admonition: "Be kind. Everyone you meet is carrying a heavy burden." He once said his guiding belief was that "when we draw closer to one another, we draw closer to the God that created us all." No, by all accounts this was a kind and caring pastor who reached out to folks at both ends of the political, economic, and ideological spectrum. He loved the church and he cared for its health and its wholeness. But when it came to the great moral issues of his day, he would not sacrifice principle for placidness. How is it that we bear witness to the unity of Christ’s church which is, after all, an article of our confession, not simply a product of our labors? And how do we do that in the midst of the call to address complex moral and political issues that divide us, each wielding what seem to us to be authoritative interpretations of Scripture? As we approach the fiftieth anniversary of the United Church of Christ, the enduring question we have wrestled with has been this: "How can we be a united church that stands for something?"

This is not a new problem in America where we mix our belief that the Bible is authoritative on all matters of faith and practice with our high regard for individual freedom that is reluctant to grant any interpreter ultimate authority. Mark Noll, in a new book on theological issues in the Civil War, shares an outsider’s perspective on the American Protestant dilemma:

In their perceptions of the theological crisis of the Civil War, foreign observers clearly identified a significant issue. How, in fact, are Bible believers, especially Protestant Bible believers, supposed to act in harmony when interpretations of the Bible seem to fly nearly everywhere - when as the Europeans put it in the 1860's, there is no "respected authority," no "respect for the established orders and authorities? (Mark Noll, The Civil War as Theological Crisis.)

The subject here is slavery. But almost any other hot-button issue could replace it. And has! If everyone has equal access to the Bible, and if there is no single, "respected authority," how can we expect to avoid endless division? In our weariness over church fights, when "interpretations of the Bible fly everywhere," standing for something can seem too costly and unity grows seductive. Remember Rodney King’s famous plea? "Can’t we all just get along?"

Fifty years ago the General Council of the Congregational Christian Church met for its final meeting in Omaha, Nebraska. It was the meeting that authorized the election of delegates to the uniting General Synod in Cleveland the following year, the meeting that finally brought to a close the long years of struggle to give birth to the United Church of Christ. We tend to imagine the 1950's as a simpler time in American church life, but to read the minutes of the General Council is to experience a meeting as full of contention and controversy as any General Synod since - including Atlanta!

The vast majority of delegates were eager to move toward authorizing the union with the Evangelical and Reformed Church. But a significant and very stubborn minority resisted to the end. They demanded that the minutes of the Executive Committee of the General Council for the previous two years be made available, not merely the summary they had been given. Having heard that President James Wagner of the Evangelical and Reformed Church had been given "assurances" of some kind by the Council, these dissidents were convinced secret agreements had been made and that their precious liberties as Congregationalists had been sold down the river to the stereotypical "Herr Pastors" of the German church. No amount of response from the Moderator could assuage their suspicions, so they went to what was, in the context of that meeting, to the "nuclear option." They dangled the threat of another lawsuit. This caught the attention of the leadership which remembered all too well the decade long delay caused by the Cadman vs. Kenyon law suit in the 1940's. So the Council delegates were reconvened at ten p.m. following worship and sat through the night until 7:45 in the morning hearing the minutes read aloud. One delegate lamented what this all must look like to "our Evangelical and Reformed" brethren, whose long-suffering over these squabbles was surely wearing thin. We haven’t had that much excitement at a Synod in a long time!

But it wasn’t just conflict over matters ecclesiastical. Debates raged over a resolution about an "Unsegregated Church in an Unsegregated Society," which included the call for a consultation with all Congregational institutions, particularly in the south, to press forward the cause of desegregation. A resolution was passed expressing outrage that one of the Black delegates had been denied accommodation in an Omaha hotel, and lively debate centered around whether or not to take an offering and pursue legal action against the hotel. (Some of you know that we are in the midst of labor issues with hotels in Hartford as we prepare for our 50th anniversary Synod. The more things change, the more they stay the same!) Delegates passed a strong resolution denouncing the tactics of McCarthyism, naming the violation of civil rights going on in the frenzied context of rabid anti-communism. Think about how all of this must have played in the genteel south, or in America’s heartland back in 1956. They even welcomed to their podium as a keynote speaker, the Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union! I’m not sure I’m brave enough, or foolish enough, to try that!

The point of this little tour through one part of our history is simply this: There has never been a time in our life as a church when conflict has been absent from our life. In the 17th century our forebears in England gathered congregations of dissenters, separatists and Puritans who stood for a church that would be distinguishable from the culture religion of the established church. Later in that same century they struggled in New England over the question of who could be baptized, and they lived with a tense, uneasy compromise called "the Half-Way Covenant." In the 18th century some stood for their orthodox, Trinitarian faith against the rise of Unitarianism, and as a result saw a "great departure" of their churches and even their beloved Harvard, a set of departures far more extensive than anything we have experienced in this past year since General Synod. In the 19th century German Reformed theologians at Mercersburg Seminary in Pennsylvania stood for the integrity of the liturgy and the role of the catechism against the enthusiasms of the revival tent and the anxious bench, and in the process provoked what came to be known as the Mercersburg Controversy that included the use of the heavily freighted word "heresy," not a comfortable word in the culture of our United Church of Christ.

In that same century one of our congregations ordained Antoinette Brown as the first woman pastor in North America. Yet what we celebrate today as a principled stand for the full equality of woman was mocked and derided in the official Congregational newspapers in Boston. A few days before her ordination Antoinette wrote a friend, "People are beginning to stop laughing and get mad." If you read carefully the bylaws of Congregational churches organized in the 1840's and 50's, you will find that many of them were organized by abolitionists. The bylaws of those churches not only refused to admit slaveholders to membership, they also rejected anyone who would not condemn slavery. New Englanders who went to Kansas went to stand against those who would turn that territory into a slave state. The famous name of one of our congregations there, the "Beecher Bible and Rifle Church," testifies to the conflicts in Bloody Kansas that engulfed our churches as they sought to stand for something.

In the twentieth century our church gave formal support to conscientious objectors, not just during the Vietnam conflict, but during the Second World War as well. We stood for the rights of African Americans in the south to see their faces on television news and to hear their stories reported. We stood with migrant farm workers in California, marching with Cesar Chavez even when some of the farm owners were members of our own churches. We took a stand to ordain an openly gay man over thirty years ago, and have been standing with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender persons ever since as they seek full membership in church and society. We took a stand for language in our liturgies and in our hymns that would embrace both women and men. We took a stand against the militarization of right wing paramilitary groups and oppressive dictatorships in Central America during the 1980's. We have consistently taken a stand for the people of Palestine, for their rights to a viable nation and a capital in Jerusalem, even when that has been heard by Jewish friends and neighbors as taking a stand against their beloved Israel. We took a stand against the wall that separated Germany east and west by entering into relationship with the Evangelical Church of the Union, a stand that literally involved us in clandestine border crossings during the Cold War and that played its own little part in the tearing down of that wall.

Standing for something. All of this has involved a cost, and that cost has been conflict and tension in the life of our church. We have sensed it intensely in recent months again. And what has made this difficult for us is that at the same time we have not been willing to relinquish our vision of unity. Ours is not a sectarian piety that signals to those who disagree, "leave." The ecumenical vocation that fired the imagination of our founders still holds sway for most of us. For all our commitment to being a church that stands for justice, a church that works for peace, we remain a church yearning to embody Jesus’ prayer "that they may all be one." We want to be, feel called to be a united church that stands for something.

At the Fifth World Conference on Faith and Order in Santiago de Compostela in 1993, Mary Tanner, an Anglican theologian, reminded us that "tension and even conflict will always be part of the life of the church this side of the kingdom." And then she challenged the church:

We are called to stick with the pain of difference and live through it: "Sharp things that divide us can paradoxically turn out to be gift. . . The world with all its divisions is not used to such a possibility as this: that those on opposing sides should stay together, bear each other's burdens, even enter one another’s pain." If we are able, by grace, to live together in visible communion while bearing the cost of difference, never again saying "I have no need of you," we shall get hold, at a deeper level, of a communion with a God who suffers and we shall be rewarded with an experience of reconciliation and unity grounded in the unity of God the Holy Trinity at whose heart is forever a cross. (Mary Tanner, "The Time Has Come," Ecumenical Review, January 1993)

The vision of unity that the Gospel of John offers is of a Christ who, when he is lifted up, will draw all men and women to himself. But it is not to some happy conviviality that we are drawn; it is to the cross on which Jesus is lifted that we are also drawn. If the Trinity is, in a sense, an icon of the unity in diversity we aspire to image in our own life, then we must never forget that at the heart of that Trinity is forever a cross.

Letter after letter has come to my desk over the past several months complaining that I or the General Synod has eagerly and thoughtlessly introduced conflict into the life of the church. I do think some people in our churches really believe that leaders in the United Church of Christ and its General Synod cavalierly and recklessly seek to stir the pot just to get publicity and attention. We may have been the first mainline denomination to call for the extending of the rights, privileges, and disciplines of marriage to persons of all sexual orientations. But believe me, being first was not what this was all about. There would have been far easier races to win or medals to wear. This was about standing for something at a time when much of our nation would stand against. But not just standing for something; standing for people in our churches, in our communities, in our families who yearn to receive the blessing, and to live within the discipline of the church and its sacraments and rites.

Standing for something. While controversy over sex swirls around us, the war in Iraq continues. Conceived in arrogance and deception, pursued with an unholy enthusiasm rather than lament, it continues to consume our beloved children and sow destruction and disruption throughout the land we are allegedly redeeming, a place where civilian deaths are even hard to number. Horrible things are happening and we are doing some of those things. But what should we have expected? That’s what war is, what war does, even to our own noble sons and daughters. Neighbors throughout the world who embraced us with profound love and compassion after the terrorist attacks of September 11 now eye us with suspicion and fear, a dangerous nation bent on empire. My son just finished basic training for the Pennsylvania National Guard. What once seemed rather abstract now cuts a bit closer. Will he be called up? Lynda and I worry that he might be put in harms way. But we also worry that he will be faced with an agonizing moral choice in the murky ambiguity of battle, a choice that could follow him throughout his life.

Yet are we standing for something? I fear that most of our congregations shrink back from doing much more than pray for the victims - our troops, the people of Iraq. To stand for something might mean conflict, tension, even division. Can we bear any more of that? But is this not a shrinking back from the cross, which lies at the very heart of the Trinity whose feast day is tomorrow? About thirty five years ago as the war in Vietnam was drawing toward its bloody conclusion, with the tragedies of Kent State, the incursions into Cambodia, and the deceptions of another administration growing more and more evident, I came home on spring break from college filled with the certainty, the conviction, and I suppose the arrogance of youth, and told my pastor that I wanted to read a statement about the war to the congregation. I still can’t believe I did it, and looking back through the lens of my own life as a pastor, I can’t quite believe he let me do it! As I finished my passionate and, I thought, prophetic plea, I looked down and saw the parents of my two best friends in high school, Bob and Eleanor. Their sons were now marines, serving in Vietnam. It was a charged moment, filled with sudden apprehension, one of those "Oh my God, what have I done?" moments. Yet these were the two who first came to embrace me, not arguing a point, or offering a dissent, but embracing me. Can we be that kind of church? "Sharp things that divide us can paradoxically turn out to be gift. The world with all its divisions is not used to such a possibility as this: that those on opposing sides should stay together, bear each other’s burdens, even enter one another’s pain."

A divided church, a church enduring conflict because it stands for something is better than a united church that stands for nothing. The great irony of the ecclesiastical landscape today is that churches that have quite deliberately avoided taking a stand on the issue of gay marriage or the ordination of partnered gay and lesbian people are enduring just as much conflict as we are in the United Church of Christ. Is this the warning to Laodicea in the Revelation of John? "I know your works, you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spit you out of my mouth." Some of you know that I have found great insight in the novel, Gilead, written by United Church of Christ author, Marilyn Robinson. Her narrator is a sensitive rural pastor in Iowa, writing a letter to his son. He recalls his best sermon, one that he never preached. It was about the First World War, and his own sense that the influenza epidemic that was sweeping the country with tragic loss, killing more soldiers than bullets were, was a sign of judgment about our warring madness:

The parents of these young soldiers would come to me and ask me how the Lord could allow their sons to be killed by the flu. I felt like asking them what the Lord would have to do to tell us He didn’t allow something. But instead I would comfort them by saying we would never know what their young men had been spared. Most of them took me to mean they were spared the trenches and the mustard gas, but what I really meant was that they were spared the act of killing. . . . So I wrote a sermon about it. I said that these deaths were rescuing foolish young men from the consequences of their own ignorance and courage, that the Lord was gathering them in before they could go off and commit murder against their brothers. And I said that their deaths were a sign and a warning to the rest of us that the desire for war would bring the consequences of war, because there is no ocean big enough to protect us from the Lord’s judgment when we decide to hammer our plowshares into swords and our pruning hooks into spears, in contempt of the will and grace of God. It was quite a sermon, I believe, but my courage failed, because I knew the only people at church would be a few old women who were already about as sad and apprehensive as they could stand to be and no more approving of the war than I was. . . . I wish I had kept it, because I meant every word. It might have been the only sermon I wouldn’t mind answering for in the next world. And I burned it. But Mirabelle Mercer was not Pontius Pilate, and she was not Woodrow Wilson either.

Each of us, like this thoughtful and wonderful pastor, know the difficulty of "standing." As Bonhoeffer once wrote, we know well our capacity to "heroically extricate ourselves from the affairs of the day." Or as the hymn puts it, "our will to dare great things for God," often collides headlong into "the courage that we lack." Are we willing to sacrifice standing for something in the face of conflict and division?

Finally, at the end, we come to our Conference theme: "Neighbors at Christ’s Table." It reminds us that our unity is not to be found in agreement, but in the Christ who makes himself present to us in the breaking of bread. We sometimes forget, I think, that this sacrament, this holy sign, has at its center the same cross that is the heart of the Holy Trinity. At the table we do not come to eat together as a happy family. We come to announce: "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." At the table the broken family breaks the bread of the broken Christ. We are neighbors at the table of Christ’s passion, not just friendly next door neighbors. That makes this meal both a hard meal to swallow, and a blessed meal to consume. It is a table for neighbors who are ready to stand for something, even when that makes unity elusive, and conflict real. Ultimately we can only be a united church while simultaneously being a church that stands for something when we experience life together under the Word, a life together around the Word made flesh.

At that General Council meeting in Omaha fifty years ago this month, James Wagner addressed the Congregationalists. He talked about the way succeeding generations like ours might assess the worth of the union they had just authorized:

The real worth and validity of this union in the sight of God will eventually be measured by how profoundly and with what deepening devotion we set about getting God’s work done in this world. If by the witness of our united churches the world’s broken-hearted find hope and healing, the grieving have the comfort and consolations of grace made real, the aged discover that "at evening time it shall be light"; if young men and women are wisely guided in the choices they must make and strengthened when they have chosen the hard right against the easy wrong"; if men and women in the midst of life’s struggle are made "strong in the Lord and in the power of His might"; if the imperatives of God’s justice and love are brought effectually to bear on the relationships of men in our workaday world and of nations wrestling with the promises and the peril of power - that is, not in devising new and grandiose schemes for making the world better, but in doing better the age old ministries to which priest and prophet have always given themselves - then time and the event and the silent whispers of the Eternal God will confirm our present faith that the establishment of the United Church of Christ was the doing of His will.

I would edit Dale Turner’s provocative words to say this: A church in conflict that stands for something is better than a happy and comfortable church that stands for nothing. At our best, for fifty years, and for all the years of our predecessors before, we have often chosen the hard right against the easy wrong. Simply put, we who cherish unity, both our own and that of the larger church, have also attempted to stand for something. And it has brought us to the heart of the Gospel. There’s not always much fun in this as many of us have discovered this year. It’s a hard path, full of bitterness and strife. Yet Mary Tanner is right: Sharp things that divide us can paradoxically turn out to be gift. So we live as neighbors at the Table, seeking as she puts it "to get hold, at a deeper level, of a communion with a God who suffers," anticipating the reward of an "experience of reconciliation and unity grounded in the unity of God the Holy Trinity at whose heart is forever a cross." Let it be so.
 
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